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Old 07-16-2018, 12:34 PM   #226
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I grabbed myself a 2018 Focus RS a couple of weeks ago. Shopping it against the 2018 STI, Golf R, and Civic Type R:

-Golf R had a great interior, but dealer wouldn't budge on price, wouldn't offer a test drive, and the car was just so dull to look at.

-Civic Type R had a nicer interior than the RS, but every dealer in the DC metro area wanted some kind of markup, and I couldn't find one to let me do a walk-in test drive. Best deal I found was $2k ADM. The car is hideous in person, looks like a child's toy, but in black I could have lived with it... not with the $5k markup however on the cheapest black one that I found.

-STI was decent but it didn't feel like enough of a step up over my 2013 WRX. The interior was definitely roomier and pedal placement is better. Driving it was extremely familiar but, having test drove the RS an hour before, the STI felt so soft. Also, not a hatchback.

Anyway, I like my RS overall. It's a good car with some quirks.

The good:
-This thing is a beast in the twisties.
-Exhaust sounds great, sounds special unlike the Type R.
-Nice head unit and infotainment for stock.
-Good amount of torque available throughout the RPM band, not a lot of turbo lag.
-I like the look. It's sporty without being ridiculous.
-The ride is fine. Some reviews said that it was too harsh but I'm not seeing it.

The bad:
-The interior. It's worse than Subaru's current interior. For one, the car is pretty small. The trim is the cheapest possible plastic. The instrumentation is the same as any other Ford, not as good as Honda or Subie. Yes, the wheel is nice, the carbon fiber bits are nice, the shifter is great. Don't look beyond that or you'll be sad.
-Seating position takes some getting used to. I love the seat bolstering but the position isn't ideal. The passenger position is even worse.
-There's something going on, almost like torque steer but I don't get it from a launch. Where I get it is on WOT at higher speeds. The wheel wants to tug this way and that way as the car accelerates. Also, the RS tramlines like a mother. So it robs from your confidence a bit.
-No boost in first and limited boost in second gear, so it kinda doesn't "wake up" until third gear, I think. Can this be tuned out?

Still, it's been great so far, and I feel like I got a pretty good deal on it. The dealer came down $3500 or so from MSRP, and gave me a ton on my trade, at least $3500 over what it was worth. Some people have done even better with Ford phasing out the Focus and dealerships being ready to dump it, but I walked away happy with what I paid.
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Old 07-20-2018, 03:15 PM   #227
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I grabbed myself a 2018 Focus RS a couple of weeks ago. Shopping it against the 2018 STI, Golf R, and Civic Type R:

-Golf R had a great interior, but dealer wouldn't budge on price, wouldn't offer a test drive, and the car was just so dull to look at.

-Civic Type R had a nicer interior than the RS, but every dealer in the DC metro area wanted some kind of markup, and I couldn't find one to let me do a walk-in test drive. Best deal I found was $2k ADM. The car is hideous in person, looks like a child's toy, but in black I could have lived with it... not with the $5k markup however on the cheapest black one that I found.

-STI was decent but it didn't feel like enough of a step up over my 2013 WRX. The interior was definitely roomier and pedal placement is better. Driving it was extremely familiar but, having test drove the RS an hour before, the STI felt so soft. Also, not a hatchback.

Anyway, I like my RS overall. It's a good car with some quirks.

The good:
-This thing is a beast in the twisties.
-Exhaust sounds great, sounds special unlike the Type R.
-Nice head unit and infotainment for stock.
-Good amount of torque available throughout the RPM band, not a lot of turbo lag.
-I like the look. It's sporty without being ridiculous.
-The ride is fine. Some reviews said that it was too harsh but I'm not seeing it.

The bad:
-The interior. It's worse than Subaru's current interior. For one, the car is pretty small. The trim is the cheapest possible plastic. The instrumentation is the same as any other Ford, not as good as Honda or Subie. Yes, the wheel is nice, the carbon fiber bits are nice, the shifter is great. Don't look beyond that or you'll be sad.
-Seating position takes some getting used to. I love the seat bolstering but the position isn't ideal. The passenger position is even worse.
-There's something going on, almost like torque steer but I don't get it from a launch. Where I get it is on WOT at higher speeds. The wheel wants to tug this way and that way as the car accelerates. Also, the RS tramlines like a mother. So it robs from your confidence a bit.
-No boost in first and limited boost in second gear, so it kinda doesn't "wake up" until third gear, I think. Can this be tuned out?

Still, it's been great so far, and I feel like I got a pretty good deal on it. The dealer came down $3500 or so from MSRP, and gave me a ton on my trade, at least $3500 over what it was worth. Some people have done even better with Ford phasing out the Focus and dealerships being ready to dump it, but I walked away happy with what I paid.
Your assesment is spot on with mine. Torque steer questions have you checked tire pressure? Lots of discussion on this in the Focus RS forum but usually at launch.

Boost is limited in the stock tune for 1st+2nd. You can absoletely tune this and wake the car up. I am staying stock for awhile becasuse even stock this car feels as fast or faster than my modded 16 Golf R or 15 WRX.
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Old 07-31-2018, 01:24 PM   #228
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The bad:
-Seating position takes some getting used to. I love the seat bolstering but the position isn't ideal. The passenger position is even worse.
-There's something going on, almost like torque steer but I don't get it from a launch. Where I get it is on WOT at higher speeds. The wheel wants to tug this way and that way as the car accelerates. Also, the RS tramlines like a mother. So it robs from your confidence a bit.
-No boost in first and limited boost in second gear, so it kinda doesn't "wake up" until third gear, I think. Can this be tuned out?
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Drop your tire pressure to 41/38 F/R. 46 psi is the max load rating. It makes your car feel like rollerskate and causes that exact issue.

Seating position felt too high at first, and bolsters took a month or two to break in, but I wouldnt change the seating height at all now after 2 years with it. It's just about perfect for visibility of the road.

1st and 2nd are not really boost limited, they are torque limited to 250 and 300lbs/tq respectively. The boost just being less is just a byproduct of the torque being controlled. This is one of the reasons you can do repeated launches on the thing.

PS - if you launch, sidestep the clutch. Seriously, just slide your foot off and let it dump. Thats what its designed to do. I did nearly 20 of these launches at the RS academy. And that was after nearly 14 other people had done the same thing on the same car. It can handle the abuse since its not sending full power to the rear and it can transfer the power around. What it CANT handle is slipping the clutch on launch. You will eat your clutch eventually.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:31 AM   #229
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I'll check tire pressure, thanks fellas.

It won't bog down if I launch with a clutch dump?

I figured out part of my problem on Friday- the damn front springs had the 4 shipping blocks still in! Once I extricated those my RS feels a lot more compliant and it's not twitchy on WOT. I guess this is common? Freakin' dealerships, man.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:18 AM   #230
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I'll check tire pressure, thanks fellas.

It won't bog down if I launch with a clutch dump?

I figured out part of my problem on Friday- the damn front springs had the 4 shipping blocks still in! Once I extricated those my RS feels a lot more compliant and it's not twitchy on WOT. I guess this is common? Freakin' dealerships, man.
The 41 psi front 38 psi rear is what I use. You might try disabling hill assist too. For some people that eliminates it. I haven't had any issues once I went to 18" wheels and use that 41/38 psi. 46 psi is ridic. The Australian manual states 41/38, or 42/38 I forget which. I also think with the stiff chassis the 19" 35 series tire is doo-doo. 18" 40 series tires made a big difference for me. The car was built quicker than others so there are a couple of areas for improvement. The mound of clay is pretty damn good though.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:59 AM   #231
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Yeah my buddy said his car feels completely different after disabling the hill assist.
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Old 08-06-2018, 01:24 PM   #232
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You'd think Ford would be putting some "remove before flight sale" tags on those shipping blocks by now.

The hill assist in my '08 STI was one of the main reasons I was happy to see it go. Every day it would try to fight the clutch on steep hills, and I lived in a mountain town filled with very steep hills. Subaru let owners disable it from '09 onward.
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Old 08-06-2018, 03:50 PM   #233
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You'd think Ford would be putting some "remove before flight sale" tags on those shipping blocks by now.

The hill assist in my '08 STI was one of the main reasons I was happy to see it go. Every day it would try to fight the clutch on steep hills, and I lived in a mountain town filled with very steep hills. Subaru let owners disable it from '09 onward.
VW has occasional issues with the shipping blocks too.

And my '09 wrx did not let me disable hill start assist. My R does. There's an auto-hold button that I can choose to have on, or off. A nice feature too, as it'll hold the car for an indefinite period of time, until you start working the clutch, so you can just let your foot off the break entirely if you want at a long traffic light. It also lets go pretty early in the clutch movement. A pretty well implemented system overall.
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Old 08-06-2018, 08:02 PM   #234
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Indeed.

With the manual R (not sure about DSG), it will hold the brake indefinitely...even on a flat surface. So, sitting at long traffic lights, it's a nice bonus to not keep my foot on the brake.
But like ya'll stated, on a steep hill, it can be a bit frustrating. I've got to really give it some throttle to get going.

On my GT350, the hill hold is only for a few seconds after letting my foot off the brake.
So I gotta be mindful of which car I'm in (tired from so much work).
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:39 PM   #235
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With the manual R (not sure about DSG), it will hold the brake indefinitely...even on a flat surface. So, sitting at long traffic lights, it's a nice bonus to not keep my foot on the brake.
But like ya'll stated, on a steep hill, it can be a bit frustrating. I've got to really give it some throttle to get going.

On my GT350, the hill hold is only for a few seconds after letting my foot off the brake.
So I gotta be mindful of which car I'm in (tired from so much work).
dsg has auto hold you can turn on via a button next to the shifter. it holds the brake at stop lights and releases when you touch the gas. works great but if you put the car in park with it on, it engages the parking brake.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:04 AM   #236
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The bad:
-The interior. It's worse than Subaru's current interior. For one, the car is pretty small. The trim is the cheapest possible plastic. The instrumentation is the same as any other Ford, not as good as Honda or Subie. Yes, the wheel is nice, the carbon fiber bits are nice, the shifter is great. Don't look beyond that or you'll be sad.
-Seating position takes some getting used to. I love the seat bolstering but the position isn't ideal. The passenger position is even worse.
-There's something going on, almost like torque steer but I don't get it from a launch. Where I get it is on WOT at higher speeds. The wheel wants to tug this way and that way as the car accelerates. Also, the RS tramlines like a mother. So it robs from your confidence a bit.
Your gripes are pretty much spot on to my initial impressions of my RS as well.

The interior is growing on me, though it still doesn't help that it shares so many interior pieces (including the cluster) with my base model Escape fleet work rig. The red LED accents throughout the interior are a nice touch I didn't actually notice right away. The Sync 3 UI is WAAAAAAAY better than my wife's '17 Outback.

You will get used to the seating position. The first time I test drove an RS, I almost walked away for good because I hated the seating position that much. I mean, I HATED it and felt like it affected clutch action. 1500 miles in and I've gotten used to it completely now. Probably doesn't hurt that the seat has gotten broken in a bit too.

Regarding the torque steer thing - I definitely noticed that quite a bit first off too. I've been playing with tire pressure since then, and have settled on 43F/40R - which seems to have mostly eliminated the tugging I felt at WOT. I haven't disabled hill assist though.
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Had mine out Saturday in a torrential downpour. Several points were straight flooding. I was on multiple tollways, idiots doing 20 mph in the fast lane with their hazards on, some pulling off the road. The Twinster was fully tested with speeds I won't say here. I had only one spot on a 50 mile trek, where there was standing water 6 inches high. Went through that pretty fast, felt each wheel lose traction for a revolution, AWD system dealt with it and I mashed the pedal some more. Incredible in the wet.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:47 PM   #238
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About to hit 30k on my early model 16. Finally having the B pillar rattle properly handled (new spot welds) after 2 failed attempts at another dealership.

Got the headgasket done in June. My new dealership has been nothing but awesome. Tech noted every issue he could find and got it all handled. Even threw in ARP studs for me, on their recommendation, since it was apart anyways.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:13 PM   #239
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About to hit 30k on my early model 16. Finally having the B pillar rattle properly handled (new spot welds) after 2 failed attempts at another dealership.

Got the headgasket done in June. My new dealership has been nothing but awesome. Tech noted every issue he could find and got it all handled. Even threw in ARP studs for me, on their recommendation, since it was apart anyways.
This is what separates Other companies from Subaru. Anytime I go to Subaru it's been a headache, customer service is awful. Unhelpful, so I have resorted to doing everything myself.

If it wasn't for the awful interior, I probably would have picked this over my 18 wrx.
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Even threw in ARP studs for me, on their recommendation, since it was apart anyways.
Same here although at my insistence instead of theirs. Master tech and Service Manager were fine with it, they even gave me the new OEM head bolts which went unused. FSA work was impeccable and fast, and I got a new head.

Waiting impatiently to buy and install Litchfield suspension, and full Cobb bolt ons. Stereo and rotor/pad upgrades will complete my mod list. She is a keeper. Friend was so impressed with it he is buying one today for a DD so his ZL1 can move to weekend duty.
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Same here although at my insistence instead of theirs. Master tech and Service Manager were fine with it, they even gave me the new OEM head bolts which went unused. FSA work was impeccable and fast, and I got a new head.

Waiting impatiently to buy and install Litchfield suspension, and full Cobb bolt ons. Stereo and rotor/pad upgrades will complete my mod list. She is a keeper. Friend was so impressed with it he is buying one today for a DD so his ZL1 can move to weekend duty.
I got a new head as well. Mine was pretty clean according to the tech, thanks in part to the catchcans. He even declined to swap the plugs I bought, since mine looked great. Will likely do that after the warranty is up.
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Dammit. My GT350 needs serviced and I was strictly warned to stay away from my nearest Ford dealer.
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After the headaches I have dealt with, my dealer is now the commercial truck dealership thats wayyyy out of the way for me, but not so much that I would ever consider going back to my first repair dealership. Thats literally 4 minutes away from my office.
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Dammit. My GT350 needs serviced and I was strictly warned to stay away from my nearest Ford dealer.
Bunch of guys on the RS forum run the RS as a daily and the 350 for weekends. (Hint R to RS swap). Some of them say could flip a coin between them for fun. One of my instructors at the track said he liked the RS more than the 350 on track due to the traction and what he could get away with. Said itís more fun to drive. It was a damn hard decision for me (damn near bought a lightly used 350)but driving in the flood rain last Saturday reinforced my decision. Iíve got fast bikes for fair weather though. RS sits pretty at 375/425 to the wheels, thatís all I could ever need. My ainít going anywhere. Next gens will all be hybrid and ghey.

If any tire kicking, numbers are dwindling, and they are drying up. Ford stealers will mark the last ones up. I saw loaded ones (42-43k sticker) going at best, which was earlier this year, for 36k. Now up to around 38k for best deal. Soon will go back to 40k. Nowís The time.
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