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Old 04-03-2012, 11:47 AM   #476
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:55 AM   #477
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Originally they were saying it would get the same MPG as the Impreza because it was using the same engine/trans. Anyone think they may surprise us with the 2.5 and that is why we are now seeing a dip in MPG compared to the Impreza? If that’s the case I’m excited all over again!
That is the only possible explaination for the big mileage difference between XV and Impreza. My guess is that it will be priced starting from $21995 (excl dest).
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:35 PM   #478
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^^^ I think it's because of the height of the vehicle. My '12 Impreza 2.0i is the base model, and there is supposed to be differences even when running the roof rack, etc.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:00 PM   #479
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Information from the New York Auto show is starting to be released! I'm starting to get anxious to hear things on the Crosstrek. I hope we get the information today!
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:19 PM   #480
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That is the only possible explaination for the big mileage difference between XV and Impreza. My guess is that it will be priced starting from $21995 (excl dest).
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^^^ I think it's because of the height of the vehicle. My '12 Impreza 2.0i is the base model, and there is supposed to be differences even when running the roof rack, etc.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:03 AM   #481
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Height and a bit of weight, too... about 4% heavier based on the numbers below. The bigger fuel tank weighs more. I'd imagine the suspension weighs more. Crosstrek has 17" wheels all around instead of 16", plus a 17" spare as well, rather than Impreza's compact spare. XV also has a different roof rack (metallic rails?) that could weigh a small bit more. A pound or two for the cladding as well?

I checked out Subaru Australia's site for these numbers:
Impreza tank: 55L
Crosstrek tank: 60L
Impreza weight: 1375kg
Crosstrek weight: 1435kg
Impreza CVT combined MPG: 6.8L/100km
Crosstrek CVT combined MPG: 7.0L/100km
Impreza CVT highway MPG: 5.6L/100km
Crosstrek CVT highway MPG: 5.9L/100km
(Obviously fuel economy testing methods are different than ours but it gives you a relative comparison of the difference between Impreza & Crosstrek.)

So, can 4% weight gain plus increased aerodynamic drag account for the entire MPG loss going from Impreza to Crosstrek? I'm pretty sure there won't be a 2.5L surprise under Crosstrek's hood in New York.
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:09 AM   #482
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Are the tires much wider? That would have a significant effect on highway mileage.

A FB25 under the hood would basically make it overlap the Forester too much.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:11 AM   #483
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Are the tires much wider? That would have a significant effect on highway mileage.

A FB25 under the hood would basically make it overlap the Forester too much.
I pretty sure the XV is aimed at a different group of buyers who are younger and need less cargo room than Forester buyers. The addition of the FB25 to what is essentially a raised and optioned up Impreza 5 door with marginal horsepower would be a smart move to justify the extra cost and attract the power hungry among us to it. They'd both sell well.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:48 AM   #484
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Screw the FB25, it needs either the diesel (never gonna happen) or the 1.6DIT!
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:42 PM   #485
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Screw the FB25, it needs either the diesel (never gonna happen) or the 1.6DIT!
Well those would both be nice but you're probably right that the diesel will probably not happen and I just can't believe the 1.6T will be very gutsy (Driven a Bugeye lately?). Plus they both use expensive fuel. A DI version of the FB25 (You know it will come) could easily be made to push out 185-190hp on Regular with decent down low torque and acceptable 30+ MPG fuel economy. That would be a high volume seller for less money than either the Diesel or the Turbo.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:01 PM   #486
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How 'bout putting the BRZ's 200hp 2.0L into it. Same displacement as Impreza, more power, still N.A. (And if the BRZ can get 200hp out of 2.0L, imagine that treatment on 2.5L!)
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:17 PM   #487
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No site has gone into details about the Crosstrek yet but Subaru's facebook page has a link that gives details on all the features the US version is getting:

http://www.subaruny2012.com/

Apparently we get two trims premium and limited. ...but no pricing yet. Why??
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:02 PM   #488
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News 2013 Subaru Xv Crosstrek® Debuts At New York International Auto Show

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2013 SUBARU XV CROSSTREK® DEBUTS AT NEW YORK INTERNATIONAL AUTO SHOW

***8226; New fun-to-drive, high-capability compact crossover
***8226; 2.0-liter BOXER® engine and up to 33 miles per gallon
***8226; Standard Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive, 8.7 inch ground clearance
***8226; Available in Premium and Limited models
***8226; Comprehensive infotainment technology

NEW YORK, April 4, 2012 -- Subaru of America, Inc. announced that it is expanding its line of award-winning crossover-type vehicles with the all-new 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek, which debuted at the 2012 New York International Auto Show. The versatile, fun-to-drive Subaru XV Crosstrek, which arrives this fall, combines bold five-door design with an expanded-capability chassis, high fuel economy and everyday comfort.

Subaru based the new Subaru XV Crosstrek on the Impreza® platform, making significant changes to the chassis and body and configuring interior standard equipment and options specifically for this new model. All 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek models are powered by a 148-horsepower 2.0-liter BOXER engine, teamed to Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive via a five-speed manual transmission or available second-generation Lineartronic® Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT).

Although official the Environmental Protection Agency fuel economy figures are not yet available, Subaru projects the 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek to achieve 25 mpg city / 33 mpg highway / 28 mpg combined, which is excellent for an all-wheel drive crossover vehicle. The 15.9-gallon fuel tank in the Subaru XV Crosstrek is 1.4 gallons greater than that in the Impreza models.

Built for Rugged Action or Everyday Driving
Compared to the Subaru Impreza five-door model it is based on, the 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek incorporates numerous body and chassis enhancements for its expanded-capability mission. Black side- and wheel-arch cladding, rocker spoiler and roof rails provide a rugged contrast to the body color. The higher ride height, roof spoiler and unique-design 17-inch wheels bolster the Subaru XV Crosstrek model's go-anywhere stance and attitude. Front and rear bumpers and the front grille are unique to the Subaru XV Crosstrek, and dark-tint privacy glass is standard.

The rugged styling is backed up by function, as the four-wheel independent suspension features a raised configuration in the Subaru XV Crosstrek. The new crossover model's 8.7 inches of ground clearance is higher than for most other crossovers and even some dedicated SUVs. The Subaru XV Crosstrek uses standard 17-inch alloy wheels with 225/55 R17 all-season tires to provide all-weather traction and performance. The four-wheel disc brake system in the Subaru XV Crosstrek features larger front rotors than on the Impreza 2.5i models.

The standard five-speed manual transmission includes the Subaru Incline Start Assist feature, which will briefly hold the vehicle while the driver coordinates brake and clutch to pull away from a stop on a hill. Available for the Subaru XV Crosstrek Premium models and standard on the Limited trim line; the Subaru Lineartronic CVT provides infinite variability between the highest and lowest available ratios with no discernable steps or shifts.

The CVT continuously and smoothly adapts to performance demand, helping to keep the engine in its most efficient operating range. A six-speed manual mode with steering wheel paddle shifters allows the driver to control the transmission via six pre-set ratios. With either transmission choice, a standard ECO gauge helps the driver to operate the vehicle as economically as possible.


Subaru Safety
For safety, the Subaru Ring-Shaped Frame Reinforcement body structure has been proven in more than a decade of use. Inside, the Subaru XV Crosstrek fills out its safety roster with a driver's knee airbag and standard front side pelvis/torso airbags and side curtain airbags that offer front and rear outboard seat coverage. The passenger-seat front airbag features a shell-type design with a center groove, thus exposing the passenger to less impact force upon deployment.

Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) combines stability and traction control functions. Traction control works to augment the Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive functionality. The 4-wheel disc Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) integrates Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and the Brake Assist safety system. A new Brake Override system ensures that the engine power will be cut when both the brake and accelerator are pressed simultaneously.

Standard Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive
Subaru offers two different Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive systems in the 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek models. With the five-speed manual transmission, the AWD system uses a viscous-coupling locking center differential to distribute power 50/50 front to rear. Slippage at either set of wheels will send more power to the opposite set.

Models equipped with the Lineartronic CVT feature the Active Torque Split version of Symmetrical AWD. An electronically managed continuously variable transfer clutch actively manages power distribution based on acceleration, deceleration, and available traction. The Active Torque Split system automatically transfers more power (up to 100 percent) to the wheels with the best grip should slippage occur.

Roomy, Versatile Interior
A 103.7-inch wheelbase yields impressive interior roominess in the 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek. Rear seat legroom in the Subaru XV Crosstrek of 35.4 inches is close to that of some midsize cars. Large door pockets can hold plastic drink bottles and large maps. Numerous compartments located in and around the center console hold all manner of today's personal items, such as phones, USB drives and MP3 players.

With the standard 60/40 split rear seatbacks folded, this versatile five-door crossover provides a completely flat load floor with up to approximately 52.4 cubic feet of carrying space. The cargo area is outfitted as standard with a cover that can be pulled into place or removed, a removable waterproof tray, tie-down hooks, and grocery bag hooks. Subaru dealers will offer a number of accessories for the standard roof rails for carrying items like bicycles and kayaks.

Two Trim Lines
Subaru will offer the 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek in Premium and Limited models, the latter adding additional luxury amenities and infotainment technology. Among the standard features in the Premium are a tilt/telescoping steering wheel with audio and Bluetooth® control switches; power windows, door locks and side mirrors; multi-function display with outside temperature and fuel economy information; security system with engine immobilizer, and carpeted floormats. The standard audio system in the Premium model features Bluetooth® hands-free phone connectivity and audio streaming, Radio Data Broadcast System (RDBS), iPod® control capability, USB port, 3.5mm aux. input jack and six speakers.

In addition to making the Lineartronic CVT standard, the 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek Limited adds leather-trimmed upholstery and leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift handle; automatic climate control system; auto on/off headlights, and a rear seat armrest with dual cupholders. A standard display-type audio system in the Subaru XV Crosstrek Limited incorporates a rear-vision camera and also features a 4.3-inch display screen and standard HD Radio***8482;.

Standard on the Limited and available for the Premium, the All-Weather Package gives the Subaru XV Crosstrek heated front seats, heated exterior mirrors and a windshield wiper de-icer. Both the Subaru XV Crosstrek Premium and Limited offer a power moonroof and a navigation system as available options. The navigation system uses a 6.1-inch touch screen LCD display and integrates a rear-vision camera, voice control, iTunes® tagging, SMS text messaging capability, XM Satellite Radio® and XM NavTraffic® (both XM services require subscriptions). Updated map data can be downloaded to a personal computer and then transferred into the system via secure digital (SD) card.




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Old 04-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #489
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How 'bout putting the BRZ's 200hp 2.0L into it. Same displacement as Impreza, more power, still N.A. (And if the BRZ can get 200hp out of 2.0L, imagine that treatment on 2.5L!)
Less mileage, more expensive gas, and (most likely) a more peaky power curve.

This car is pretty well balanced as is.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:53 PM   #490
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Wow...tell us something we don't already know Subaru!!!
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:34 PM   #491
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Well we just found out what trim levels we are getting in the states and what they include and don't include. This news put to rest a lot of speculation, like if we were going to get a bigger engine as a surprise, whether or not we get the reverse camera (we do) and if we get the auto stop/start (we don't).

So since we knew nothing about the US version most of it is stuff we didn't know. All we need to know now is the pricing.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:58 PM   #492
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So the Impreza gets 3MPG more than the Crosstrek but the Crosstrek gets a bigger gas tank. My theory is that they included the larger gas tank in the Crosstrek to help disguise how much more often you have to refuel even though the Crosstrek costs about $6-$7 more to fill up with current gas prices. Anyway, breaking down the mileage ranges on both cars, my theory seems to have some merit considering how close they are:

Impreza = 522 Miles range
Crosstrek = 524.7 Miles range
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Hey, what happened to the nice metal roof rack?! Dang nabbit!
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Hey, what happened to the nice metal roof rack?! Dang nabbit!
I was wondering the same thing! Does anyone know if this roof rack has the cool folding crossbars like the Outback has?
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I was wondering the same thing! Does anyone know if this roof rack has the cool folding crossbars like the Outback has?
I read some where that NO it is not like that but a fixed rack
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how about the information center where the MPG and all that is. I see a bigger screen here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._10.html#photo than I do in the above interior pic shown in post #488...Is this because the motortrend pics show the NAV model?
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^^^ SOA mention "Comprehensive infotainment technology" as a new feature. So Motortrend pics might be accurate.
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So, No MT6 (OOPs, I mean MT5 ) on the Limited. Looks like I'll have to get the "Premium" with all the options to make it comparable to the LTD.
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^And get aftermarket leather, along with a leather steering wheel cover. You could order the leather shift handle through the parts dept., but you still wouldn't have any factory or aftermarket options to get the Limited's auto climate control, auto on/off headlights, and rear seat armrest with cupholders.
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how about the information center where the MPG and all that is. I see a bigger screen here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._10.html#photo than I do in the above interior pic shown in post #488...Is this because the motortrend pics show the NAV model?
The motortrend pics have a black speedometer, and that MPG screen looks a lot like what the Canadian version of the Impreza gets. I assume the US XV will have a white speedometer and no MPG screen above the nav
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