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Old 10-02-2015, 12:07 PM   #51
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I hope they make something good, thats for sure, but again, they have to sell more than one. They have to sell a **** ton to make them worth building in the first place. I dont think they will make anything like what youre lining out, but my wager is that to make it worth doing at all, it does need to compete with the non V8 mustang, etc and the Genesis (which should be easy to do). Mazda isnt big enough to offer multiple engines, maybe a couple power levels, but I dont think theyre capable of such choices. The general mazda-ness of their engineering and driving characteristics should be able to carry them a certain distance, but they are going to need to address power, not familiar enough with mazdas current engine options beyond their fours to know if theyve got anything suitable that will provide the power they want, in the packaging they want. The things gotta sit a certain amount low in the engine bay.

None of that is going to translate to affordable. Thats a lot of R&D to cover, I would guess that thing is going to be approaching FD RX7 pricing. Mazda is just too small. Ford and chevy can do that stuff and offer several trim levels and engines, but little mazda, I doubt it.
Mazda USA only has 2 DI I4 engines. That Ford V6 in the CX-9 has its days numbered. In Mazda's current state, I see one more engine option being used in their lineup and if rumors are true, it will be a DIT I4 used in the next CX-9. This could used in other models too to give the 6 a needed power option, a revived MazdaSpeed 3, and this new sports car. I just don't see rotary having a viable future if it's only offered in a single car. It worked OK for the RX-8 but it still had its share of criticism there and they will have to address the power issue to make it work again. But the RX-8 was developed when Ford still owned them and added cash flow helps with R&D. That is quite a bit of R&D money to post-Ford Mazda where so far have been conservative on engine choices.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:42 PM   #52
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Not all of us think that the BRZ or miata is a 'weaksauce car'. Most have unreal expectations about the motor industry and think that the makers should cater to their one singular sale.
If the miata isn't a weaksauce car, then it seems like you have your perfect car already waiting, so go buy it!
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:58 PM   #53
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the new Miata is definitely NOT a weaksauce car. Any car that can get to 60 in less than 6 seconds has some life to it, plus to call a car that is as fun to drive as a Miata weak, is missing the whole point of the car.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:19 PM   #54
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Semi-fast just doesn't do it any more for me needs power AND handling. Gotta feel dem Gs, take turns like at a race track, and be on the brink of wrecking just to get adrenaline even pumping at all any more in a car. Being put back into a seat is still fun, although no adrenaline, but taking a turn in a spirited manner just isn't what it used to be.

Miata is great, but a pony car will spank it ham fisting around a track and will also allow me to partake in the ultimate dick tactic of beating anyone who dare challenge me at a light where I know you really want to get over into my lane and you thought I'd allow you to get in front of me. Can't even hardly put mini vans in their plebe place with a miata.

There are 3 such places in town where it typically backs up in the left lane and someone thinks they're clever, trying to avoid having to be patient like the rest of us, instead being a dick and cutting over. I love it when I finally get my wish of being at the head of the line, because I'm not someone who will get taken advantage of. So far, I'm 100% for at least forcing the person behind me, if not forcing them to outright miss their turn.
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Old 10-02-2015, 03:28 PM   #55
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RX8 had sucha sweet chassis, too bad it was saddled with a sucha awful engine. Should have named it MZ8 and dropped in the speed3 motor.
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This is probably the Mazda6 Coupe they had talked about in the past.

Most likely.

We just bought a brand new 2016 Mazda 6 with manual transmission and it's a great sedan with darn good gas mileage for large car.

Not sure how a 2 door 6 coupe would sell without some more Torque and HP however.

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Old 10-02-2015, 05:41 PM   #57
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Semi-fast just doesn't do it any more for me needs power AND handling. Gotta feel dem Gs, take turns like at a race track, and be on the brink of wrecking just to get adrenaline even pumping at all any more in a car. Being put back into a seat is still fun, although no adrenaline, but taking a turn in a spirited manner just isn't what it used to be.
I hope you don't kill anyone else when you go out.

The race track is the ONLY place for that kind of behavior.
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Why on earth would I ever do something like that on a populated road that has other people anywhere they could remotely be in danger from me? The worst I do in those situations is speed, and not even an exorbitant amount. Like 10mph.

Just explaining how and why a miata isn't a "fun" car for me. It can't keep up with the behavior required to convert normal eye gouging driving into enjoyment.

Thanks, dad, but I'm capable of thinking intelligently for myself.
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Semi-fast just doesn't do it any more for me needs power AND handling. Gotta feel dem Gs, take turns like at a race track, and be on the brink of wrecking just to get adrenaline even pumping at all any more in a car. Being put back into a seat is still fun, although no adrenaline, but taking a turn in a spirited manner just isn't what it used to be.

Miata is great, but a pony car will spank it ham fisting around a track and will also allow me to partake in the ultimate dick tactic of beating anyone who dare challenge me at a light where I know you really want to get over into my lane and you thought I'd allow you to get in front of me. Can't even hardly put mini vans in their plebe place with a miata.

There are 3 such places in town where it typically backs up in the left lane and someone thinks they're clever, trying to avoid having to be patient like the rest of us, instead being a dick and cutting over. I love it when I finally get my wish of being at the head of the line, because I'm not someone who will get taken advantage of. So far, I'm 100% for at least forcing the person behind me, if not forcing them to outright miss their turn.
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Why on earth would I ever do something like that on a populated road that has other people anywhere they could remotely be in danger from me? The worst I do in those situations is speed, and not even an exorbitant amount. Like 10mph.

Just explaining how and why a miata isn't a "fun" car for me. It can't keep up with the behavior required to convert normal eye gouging driving into enjoyment.

Thanks, dad, but I'm capable of thinking intelligently for myself.
Well, sonny, when you flap your keyboard mouth like that and say school zoney racey crap, you sound not smart.

The miata or BRZ arent weaksauce cars, but I do admire your adolescent spraying.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:38 PM   #60
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I want to agree it's the next MX-6, but with how far in its life the current 6 is, wouldn't it be wasted?
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:43 PM   #61
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Dunno, I dont think theres much to the concept tease picture, have they really all the sudden departed from their wheelarch styling thats present on the 3 and 6? They look sharp currently, why would they depart from that? The picture doesnt seem genuine itself, and I cant envision a sedan counterpart to the 'car' in the pic.

They definitely have my attention whatever theyre up to.
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Old 10-04-2015, 01:22 PM   #62
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Turbo coupe version of the Miata with some styling differences please. No need for new chassis. Or rotary engine.
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Rumor: Mazda taking the Rotary to the Extreme. next RX7 to be Turbine powered.






















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It's 2015. Where's my Jet Car?
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http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/16/m...concept-tokyo/

more rotary rumors. they say that Mazda is bringing a vintage Cosmo Sport to the Tokyo auto show. hmmm.
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Worldcarfans is reporting the same too. This is getting interesting.
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While I'd prefer a different engine if they made a good hybrid rotary I'd be fine with it. A hybrid as long as there isn't too much weight fixes most of the rotary's a faults.
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Worldcarfans is reporting the same too. This is getting interesting.
Their source is Autoblog, which is originated from Motoring.
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Old 10-18-2015, 10:01 AM   #69
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wo weeks ago Mazda announced it would stage the world debut of something special at this month’s Tokyo motor show on October 28, releasing a single teaser image highlighting the roofline of the mysterious "sports car concept".

Speculation about the car’s identity focused on two possibilities: a hard-top variant of the new MX-5 roadster, which has now been ruled out until later next year, or a concept previewing Mazda's hotly-anticipated new-generation rotary-powered sports coupe widely expected to be called the RX-9 – just as we predicted it would last month.

We now have it on good authority that Mazda will in fact unveil its long-awaited replacement for the RX-7 and RX-8 rotary coupes, following a 'steer' pointing to another car on Mazda's Tokyo stand by a source close to the Hiroshima car-maker.

“Look to the Cosmo Sport,” was the cryptic reply to questions about the concept's significance.

Debuting in 1967 and also known as the 110S, the radical Cosmo Sport was the world's first mass-production rotary coupe — even if Mazda only made 1519 of them — and has been confirmed to sit right alongside the unnamed concept at the show.

“The Cosmo has no earthly reason for being there unless...,” nodded our insider, before stopping mid-sentence. Unless, of course, a born-again rotary coupe is also revealed.

"The design of the sports car concept to be unveiled in Tokyo is modern but maintains a sense of lineage and authenticity, appearing almost to condense Mazda’s entire history of sports car development into a single model," said Mazda on September 30.

Mazda executives suggested earlier this year that they would like to celebrate the Cosmo's 50th anniversary in 2017 with an all-new rotary model, and have always insisted rotary engine development was ongoing.

Employing peculiar Ferrari-like lines, the rendering you see here takes the teaser image published by Mazda and adds a front-end inspired by the company’s latest Kodo design language.

Mazda’s last rotary car, the 1.3-litre RX-8 four-door 'coupe', went out of production in 2012. The RX-8 was a blast to drive and revved to 9000rpm, but lacked mid-range torque and consumed too much petrol and oil.

To address those issues, our sources say Mazda is currently testing a new hybrid turbo rotary powerplant previously referred to as the ‘16X’ and boasting a twin 800cc rotor set-up expected to generate upwards of 335kW.

It's expected to do so with the assistance of a capacitor-powered electric turbocharger, but it's unclear whether Mazda will also apply the range-extending technology trialled in the previous-generation Mazda2/Demio EV concept, which would make it a plug-in hybrid.

As we reported earlier this year, Mazda engineers are working on a two-stage turbo system that incorporates an “electric turbo assist” function that engages at low rpm and a standard exhaust-driven turbo that cuts in at higher revs.

According to our sources, driving the e-turbo will be a capacitor (a unit that stores power and discharges it on demand) to beef up the rotary’s ‘instability’ at low rpm, while a conventional exhaust gas-driven turbocharger will engage to keep the flow of power coming as boost rises at higher revs.

To improve fuel economy and emissions, Mazda will incorporate homogeneous charge compression ignition (HCCI), which as we've reported will be the centerpiece of the second-generation SKYACTIV powertrain suite that will power the company's seventh-generation model range also due to appear around 2017.

Mimicking the diesel combustion process in a petrol engine, HCCI retains spark ignition at low revs but employs compression to ignite the fuel/air mix at higher revs, increasing combustion efficiency and emitting lower levels of Nitrogen Oxide (NOx).

Unlike many car-makers that have tried but failed to implement HCCI technology in production cars, Mazda is confident it can overcome the pre-ignition or 'knocking' problems associated with HCCI technology.

So it appears everything is fitting into place for Mazda, which will also stage the domestic debut of the KOERU concept that previews next year's all-new coupe-crossover to be called the CX-4 or CX-6.

The bad news is the KOERU and 'RX-9' have pushed to the backburner the rebirth of Mazda's MPS performance brand, which is now unlikely to reappear until next decade.

So we wait with baited breath to see whether the concept car at Tokyo in two weeks points to a production version to mark the Mazda rotary's 50th anniversary in 2017, or whether we'll have to wait for Mazda's centenary in 2020 for a born-again RX-7.
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The design looks good, but I'd expect a much better looking product from Mazda...The MX-5 has set the stage for Mazda...and this does not look as good.
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it doesn't look that good because it's a photoshop merge of the ND Miata and the teaser with a lot of speculation.
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While I'd prefer a different engine if they made a good hybrid rotary I'd be fine with it. A hybrid as long as there isn't too much weight fixes most of the rotary's a faults.
A hybrid would fix exactly zero of the rotary weaknesses.
And add a ton of weight.

No thanks.
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Also, if you're waiting with 'baited' breath as the article writes, you stink and might catch some fish in your mouth.

I believe the word the professional writer was looking for is 'bated' breath.
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Capacitor powered e-turbo rotary....

I love how completely insane and impressive mazda continues to be

How do you NOT love a company that is not only out of the box, but prefers life in a toroid versus 6 boring sides.

HAHA

Mazda, the brand with the most cowbell.
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