Tesla Catch All Thread. Hate us cause you ain’t us. - Page 120

juanmedina · 10-19-2020, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by arghx7

If I had a bigger budget I would have bought the S. It's more spacious and smoother riding, and would be better as a family car. The long range 3 is great, but I already have a Miata if I want something to handle. I'm not really interested in a Y for myself, and my wife doesn't want to have an EV if I have one, to keep the flexibility of a gas powered road trip car.

I also was thinking about getting the Model S or the slightly updated Model 3 performance but I decided to wait until the new 4680 cells make it into the new cars. It will probably take 2 years but I am fine with that.

I took my car to dragstrip again to see if lighter wheels help to lower the times but I was not able to get there fully charged

. I really wish Tesla released something like a launch mode for the Model 3 so we could get 1.6 60's

https://youtu.be/g2QQT_Nhptk

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Keshav · 10-19-2020, 05:17 PM

my advice would be to just lease your Tesla because all the advancements are coming so quickly.

these cars will continue to drop in price because that keeps their competitors at a disadvantage. the battery costs are dropping faster than predicted.

Rimsky55 · 10-19-2020, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Keshav

my advice would be to just lease your Tesla because all the advancements are coming so quickly.

these cars will continue to drop in price because that keeps their competitors at a disadvantage. the battery costs are dropping faster than predicted.

Agreed. Why take the obsolescence risk - just lease it and let Tesla take that risk.

Tesla's also helping the used car pricing drop more by reducing used car warranty.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/19/.../?guccounter=1

juanmedina · 10-19-2020, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Keshav

my advice would be to just lease your Tesla because all the advancements are coming so quickly.

these cars will continue to drop in price because that keeps their competitors at a disadvantage. the battery costs are dropping faster than predicted.

I got a trade in value from Tesla for my car over the weekend. They offered $45,500 for my 2018 Model 3 with 17,700 miles.... 12k less than I paid 2 years ago. I am not sure if that is good or bad...

Rimsky55 · 10-19-2020, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by juanmedina

I got a trade in value from Tesla for my car over the weekend. They offered $45,500 for my 2018 Model 3 with 17,700 miles.... 12k less than I paid 2 years ago. I am not sure if that is good or bad...

You should take it. Given the change in used car warranties, it will have an impact on used Teslas going forward.

DougNuts · 10-20-2020, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by juanmedina

I got a trade in value from Tesla for my car over the weekend. They offered $45,500 for my 2018 Model 3 with 17,700 miles.... 12k less than I paid 2 years ago. I am not sure if that is good or bad...

Not bad, but I would expect more for 17k miles.

Carvana offered me $6k less than I paid, new, for my 2018 F150 w/ 42k miles. It was tempting.

juanmedina · 10-20-2020, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rimsky55

You should take it. Given the change in used car warranties, it will have an impact on used Teslas going forward.

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Originally Posted by DougNuts

Not bad, but I would expect more for 17k miles.

Carvana offered me $6k less than I paid, new, for my 2018 F150 w/ 42k miles. It was tempting.

the problem is that if I were to get FSD again that will kill me haha. 12k of depreciation +10k for the upgrade to the 2021 Model 3 + 8k for FSD.

Ouch I just got a quote from Carvana and it was $39,000

arghx7 · 10-20-2020, 08:55 AM

It's clear to me that Tesla's don't depreciate any worse than a luxury car of that segment. Cadillac ATS (or CT4, or whatever it is now), BMW 3 series, Audi A4, or in the case of the Model S, maybe an E class (or S class?) Mercedes. That is actually really good for a brand that has only been making cars in volume for a few years.

The FSD thing is a wild card considering that it is likely Tesla will offer a monthly subscription sooner or later (I believe it was mentioned in an earnings call a while back). So even though the monthly cost would be relatively high, it's less of a financial commitment than buying it up front. Also, we are just now seeing how the market is after the tax credit has been gone for a while.

Keshav · 10-20-2020, 12:27 PM

Twitter

while I don't agree that 'history repeats' is true, history certainly rhymes.

Rimsky55 · 10-20-2020, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by juanmedina

Ouch I just got a quote from Carvana and it was $39,000

That's interesting. So between the weekend and today, the only major change is immaterial increase in mileage, and the reduction of used car warranty from 4 to 1.

Logically speaking and all things equal, you can assume the 3 additional years of warranty is worth $6,500, that Tesla decided to wipe from existing owner's used car value.

arghx7 · 10-20-2020, 01:58 PM

That extra warranty was inevitably going to go away. What other OEM offers a comparable free additional warranty on a used car, beyond the original one?

Rimsky55 · 10-20-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by arghx7

That extra warranty was inevitably going to go away. What other OEM offers a comparable free additional warranty on a used car, beyond the original one?

Pretty much every OEM sells certified pre-owned... whether a car qualifies or not is another issue.

godfather2112 · 10-20-2020, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by arghx7

That extra warranty was inevitably going to go away. What other OEM offers a comparable free additional warranty on a used car, beyond the original one?

Every damn manufacturer if you have any inkling of how to negotiate. Every vehicle I have bought has been discounted from sales price (new and used) and I’ve had them include 7 year 100k mile warranty with the agreed price.

EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE.

WallopingTuba · 10-20-2020, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by godfather2112

Every damn manufacturer if you have any inkling of how to negotiate. Every vehicle I have bought has been discounted from sales price (new and used) and I’ve had them include 7 year 100k mile warranty with the agreed price.

EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE.

Can you come with me when I buy another car?

godfather2112 · 10-20-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WallopingTuba

Can you come with me when I buy another car?

Absolutely! I was able to negotiate the lease down on my moms Lexus by a little under half and had them include a bunch of stuff. It probably doesn’t hurt that I do sales for a living and research margins on vehicles and also warranties to help negotiate the final price.

Granted, new release vehicles / models that have a strong demand are a little more difficult but still do able. If you’re willing to also drive a bit or fly for a crazy deal, that helps too. At the time, I got a pretty damn good deal with 100k mile warranty and service / maintenance included for an additional 30k miles on my M2.

For the most part, I’ll just look at dealers within 100 miles to start and ask them for best pricing OTD on X vehicle and to email or text the price only. Most don’t follow that and call and leave a message “I got your request on X vehicle and wanted to schedule a time for you to come down and check it out.” However, there are usually a few that will email back with pricing. Some are crap pricing and some just cut to the chase with a fairly decent deal so I’ll go to them. Then negotiate down even further.

The last 2 F150’s I bought were from same sales rep and dealer and I’ll do business with them as long as he is there or continue giving the same no b.s service. My first F150 purchase was also a breeze and the sales rep was awesome. Just need to weed out the jerk offs via email or text first.

Keshav · 10-20-2020, 07:12 PM

FSD beta rollout starts tonight.

This is the code branch that Musk is calling a rewrite based on a different approach. If anyone gets the beta, let us know how it goes.

juanmedina · 10-20-2020, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WallopingTuba

Can you come with me when I buy another car?

I am glad I don't have to do any of that anymore

.

GM is unveiling the electric Hummer in 22 minutes:

https://www.gmc.com/electric-truck/hummer-ev

WallopingTuba · 10-21-2020, 12:37 AM

I imagine there isn't any real haggling with tesla though

godfather2112 · 10-21-2020, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by juanmedina

I am glad I don't have to do any of that anymore

.

GM is unveiling the electric Hummer in 22 minutes:

https://www.gmc.com/electric-truck/hummer-ev

I have less faith in GM delivering a quality EV than Nikola delivering its electric / hydrogen truck.

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Originally Posted by WallopingTuba

I imagine there isn't any real haggling with tesla though

Doubt they do. But buying a used Tesla from a non tesla dealership, absolutely.

juanmedina · 10-22-2020, 12:18 PM

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"Owners of Polestar 2 and VW ID.3 are cursed and disappointed. Not only are the cars affected by problems, the customer service is also under all criticism and the problems are many. Magnus Lesshammar, who has a Polestar 2, writes: "Sometimes people have laughed at how Tesla has treated its customers, but compared to Polestar, Tesla gets a gold star."

https://www.mestmotor.se/.../elbilsk...fen-agarna.../

interesting.

FSD beta seems to be rolling out and the price increased to 10k.

some Tesla fanboys

https://twitter.com/teslaownersSV/status/1319147449030635521

BeepBoop · 10-22-2020, 12:25 PM

FSD is all software right? And it's the thing they'll just strip off the car if you trade it in and keep re-charging people to re-purchase?

Imagine a car has a package, then it gets traded in. Sleazy dealer removes all the package stuff and attempts to resell the package to someone else at full brand-new price.

We seriously need to change the way we view software and technology as a society IMO.

hooziewhatsit · 10-22-2020, 12:34 PM

That visualization though:

Twitter

juanmedina · 10-22-2020, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BeepBoop

FSD is all software right? And it's the thing they'll just strip off the car if you trade it in and keep re-charging people to re-purchase?

Imagine a car has a package, then it gets traded in. Sleazy dealer removes all the package stuff and attempts to resell the package to someone else at full brand-new price.

We seriously need to change the way we view software and technology as a society IMO.

someone asked yesterday on the earnings call if FSD could be transferred to other cars for a fee.

mhoward1 · 10-22-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BeepBoop

FSD is all software right? And it's the thing they'll just strip off the car if you trade it in and keep re-charging people to re-purchase?

Imagine a car has a package, then it gets traded in. Sleazy dealer removes all the package stuff and attempts to resell the package to someone else at full brand-new price.

We seriously need to change the way we view software and technology as a society IMO.

On-star and XM Radio started it in the car industry.

Well, actually extended warrantees before that.

Sid03SVT · 10-22-2020, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mhoward1

On-star and XM Radio started it in the car industry.

Well, actually extended warrantees before that.

The difference between On-star/XM Radio and FSD is that FSD can be had as a purchasable package or as a subscription service (at least that's they way it was discussed & explained previously by ole' Musky).

IF an owner PURCHASES the FSD capability, it should stay with the car, if however, the owner decides to only subscribe to FSD, then of course the subscription ends when it is no longer being paid for.

The April 2020 "Electrek" article talking about FSD as a purchasable package and a subscription service:
https://electrek.co/2020/04/30/tesla...service-price/

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10-19-2020, 05:17 PM	#2977
Keshav Scooby Specialist Member#: 1654 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2019 GoCycle GX MV Agusta Brutale S	my advice would be to just lease your Tesla because all the advancements are coming so quickly. these cars will continue to drop in price because that keeps their competitors at a disadvantage. the battery costs are dropping faster than predicted.

10-20-2020, 08:55 AM	#2983
arghx7 Scooby Specialist Member#: 232940 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cold	It's clear to me that Tesla's don't depreciate any worse than a luxury car of that segment. Cadillac ATS (or CT4, or whatever it is now), BMW 3 series, Audi A4, or in the case of the Model S, maybe an E class (or S class?) Mercedes. That is actually really good for a brand that has only been making cars in volume for a few years. The FSD thing is a wild card considering that it is likely Tesla will offer a monthly subscription sooner or later (I believe it was mentioned in an earnings call a while back). So even though the monthly cost would be relatively high, it's less of a financial commitment than buying it up front. Also, we are just now seeing how the market is after the tax credit has been gone for a while.

10-20-2020, 01:58 PM	#2986
arghx7 Scooby Specialist Member#: 232940 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cold	That extra warranty was inevitably going to go away. What other OEM offers a comparable free additional warranty on a used car, beyond the original one?

10-20-2020, 07:12 PM	#2991
Keshav Scooby Specialist Member#: 1654 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2019 GoCycle GX MV Agusta Brutale S	FSD beta rollout starts tonight. This is the code branch that Musk is calling a rewrite based on a different approach. If anyone gets the beta, let us know how it goes.

10-21-2020, 12:37 AM	#2993
WallopingTuba Scooby Newbie Member#: 488146 Join Date: Jul 2018 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Arizona Vehicle: 2015 WRX Red	I imagine there isn't any real haggling with tesla though

10-22-2020, 12:25 PM	#2996
BeepBoop Scooby Newbie Member#: 496462 Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: MN	FSD is all software right? And it's the thing they'll just strip off the car if you trade it in and keep re-charging people to re-purchase? Imagine a car has a package, then it gets traded in. Sleazy dealer removes all the package stuff and attempts to resell the package to someone else at full brand-new price. We seriously need to change the way we view software and technology as a society IMO.