Tesla Catch All Thread. Hate us cause you ain’t us.

[mhoward1]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

The difference between On-star/XM Radio and FSD is that FSD can be had as a purchasable package or as a subscription service (at least that's they way it was discussed & explained previously by ole' Musky).

IF an owner PURCHASES the FSD capability, it should stay with the car, if however, the owner decides to only subscribe to FSD, then of course the subscription ends when it is no longer being paid for.

The April 2020 "Electrek" article talking about FSD as a purchasable package and a subscription service:
https://electrek.co/2020/04/30/tesla...service-price/

Just read that Musk is proposing that the FSD follows the account, not the car. So as long as you have a Tesla, you will have FSD.

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[BeepBoop]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

The difference between On-star/XM Radio and FSD is that FSD can be had as a purchasable package or as a subscription service (at least that's they way it was discussed & explained previously by ole' Musky).

Onstar and xm radio is also ACTUALLY a service. FSD is not. You could install FSD on your car and then tesla could evaporate into thin air entirely TOMORROW and you would still have FSD working in whatever capacity it currently does. It doesn't rely on some network connectivity to do the computing; it's all done on the machine itself (afaik).

Originally Posted by mhoward1

Just read that Musk is proposing that the FSD follows the account, not the car. So as long as you have a Tesla, you will have FSD.

Yeah, of course he is. It becomes an entrapment mechanism. "Well, if I keep staying with tesla, I get more and more value out of this 10k that I cannot otherwise liquidate!" Reminds me of a certain other tech company that has done everything in it's power to make it a "lifestyle" versus just another product you purchase.

[juanmedina]

Here is a FSD Beta preview... Not perfect but better than some 80 year olds and drunk drivers . The progress of this technology is mind blowing. Do you guys still think that we are 100 years away from Level 5 autonomy in the US?

https://youtu.be/3iRHYIwjFKw

https://youtu.be/3iRHYIwjFKw

[Integra96]

At least 500 years away. No doubt.

[Masterauto]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

Here is a FSD Beta preview... Not perfect but better than some 80 year olds and drunk drivers . The progress of this technology is mind blowing. Do you guys still think that we are 100 years away from Level 5 autonomy in the US?

https://youtu.be/6QSsKy0I9LE

https://youtu.be/3iRHYIwjFKw

Anyone else wonder what happens heavy rain or snow and fog ?
I think everything and all other vehicles will need be digitally marked (5G) and once popular only self drivers allowed many roads as people drivers unpredictable.
How we be in 100 year? I think within 30 a Neural internet brain connect will change everything and fast. Many will fight for the implant and who will be Neo ? Matrix time , Living Vicariously in a digital world.

[Masterauto]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

Here is a FSD Beta preview... Not perfect but better than some 80 year olds and drunk drivers . The progress of this technology is mind blowing. Do you guys still think that we are 100 years away from Level 5 autonomy in the US

https://youtu.be/3iRHYIwjFKw

Anyone else wonder what happens heavy rain or snow and fog ?
I think everything and all other vehicles will need be digitally marked (5G) and once popular only self drivers allowed many roads as people drivers unpredictable.
How we be in 100 year? I think within 30 a Neural internet brain connect will change everything and fast. Many will fight for the implant and who will be Neo ? Matrix time , Living Vicariously in a digital world.

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[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by Masterauto

Anyone else wonder what happens heavy rain or snow and fog ?
I think everything and all other vehicles will need be digitally marked (5G) and once popular only self drivers allowed many roads as people drivers unpredictable.
How we be in 100 year? I think within 30 a Neural internet brain connect will change everything and fast. Many will fight for the implant and who will be Neo ? Matrix time , Living Vicariously in a digital world.

I have used autopilot on heavy rain and it does awesome. When is really bright that you cannot even see you cannot engage autopilot. If you can't see the cameras cannot see I think that's the the answer to your question but remember the car has a bunch of other sensors such a sonar, radar and tools like GPS and mapping and I imagine at some point it will have intuition like we do .

https://youtu.be/gq2rUbpkwpQ

https://youtu.be/gq2rUbpkwpQ

[godfather2112]

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-...IFZsyxxp0r1MVI

Oof, no bueno.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-...IFZsyxxp0r1MVI

Oof, no bueno.

that reminds me of this but obviously is not big news because is not tesla.

https://carbuzz.com/news/ferrari-812...-will-fall-out

30,000 cars at $2,000-1,000 fix is chump change when you have 14.5B in the bank.

Electrek obtained a letter that Elizabeth H. Mykytiuk, Tesla's managing counsel for regulatory affairs, sent to NTHSA to tell them about the recall in China.

In the letter, Mykytiuk alleged that China forced Tesla to issue the recall.

"Due to the opinion of SAMR/DPAC that the topic required a recall in the China market, Tesla was left with the choice of either voluntarily recalling the subject vehicles or carrying a heavy burden through the Chinese administrative process. While Tesla disagrees with the opinion of SAMR/DPAC, the Company has decided not to dispute a recall for the China market only."

Instead of a defect, Tesla puts the blame on drivers.

Mykytiuk wrote in the letter to NHTSA:

"Tesla has not determined that a defect exists in either the Front Suspension Aft Link or the Rear Suspension Upper Link and believes the root cause of the issue is driver abuse, including that driver usage and expectation for damageability is uniquely severe in the China market. If the customer inputs an abuse load (e.g., curb impact, severe pothole strike, etc.), then the parts may be damaged, leading either to immediate failure or delayed failure from the compounding effects of the initial abuse and subsequent load input."

Tesla said that the failure in question happened in less than 0.05% of vehicles outside of China and in about 0.1% of vehicles in China.

https://electrek.co/2020/10/23/tesla...orcing-recall/

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

that reminds me of this but obviously is not big news because is not tesla.

https://carbuzz.com/news/ferrari-812...-will-fall-out

30,000 cars at $2,000-1,000 fix is chump change when you have 14.5B in the bank.



https://electrek.co/2020/10/23/tesla...orcing-recall/

On the first point. I think you're kind of letting the fanboi come out a bit too much. No one is really making a big deal about it, and I've only seen maybe 2 articles about it. Also, its not the small cost to repair (although i'm not sure where you got this pricing from) but the ramifications should it fail during an accident and cause things to get worse. Additionally, 30k vehicles is a rather large amount when your repair infrastructure oversees is lacking.

In that article, Tesla blames the drivers. Seems like a pretty crappy response and lack of ownership on a potential part failure.

I think its about time to stop strawmanning and saying "why doesn't this get reported, oh yeah. Not Tesla" because every damn outlet is now reporting on the failures of companies especially as it relates to EV. Do we need to recall the Nikola fiasco? The Audi fiasco? The fact that GM didn't actually use an EV vehicle for the Hummer debut.

Come on man, its time to stop playing that card.

[Hondaslayer]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

On the first point. I think you're kind of letting the fanboi come out a bit too much. No one is really making a big deal about it, and I've only seen maybe 2 articles about it. Also, its not the small cost to repair (although i'm not sure where you got this pricing from) but the ramifications should it fail during an accident and cause things to get worse. Additionally, 30k vehicles is a rather large amount when your repair infrastructure oversees is lacking.

In that article, Tesla blames the drivers. Seems like a pretty crappy response and lack of ownership on a potential part failure.

I think its about time to stop strawmanning and saying "why doesn't this get reported, oh yeah. Not Tesla" because every damn outlet is now reporting on the failures of companies especially as it relates to EV. Do we need to recall the Nikola fiasco? The Audi fiasco? The fact that GM didn't actually use an EV vehicle for the Hummer debut.

Come on man, its time to stop playing that card.

Well, if the suspension components are the same between markets, you would expect similar failure rates across the board. One market stands out.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by Hondaslayer

Well, if the suspension components are the same between markets, you would expect similar failure rates across the board. One market stands out.

So are we saying the Chinese are bad drivers or that it’s the cause of bad roads. Or is it both? If it’s because of roads, then the product needs to be engineered to handle those roads.

[Hondaslayer]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

So are we saying the Chinese are bad drivers or that it’s the cause of bad roads. Or is it both? If it’s because of roads, then the product needs to be engineered to handle those roads.

The article stated a combo of roads in underdeveloped areas and drivers habits of jumping curbs.

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by Hondaslayer

Well, if the suspension components are the same between markets, you would expect similar failure rates across the board. One market stands out.

Engines shipped to areas with high sulfur gasoline often get different piston ring coatings. The water pipes are stainless steel for Mexico market engines because the owners often use water to top up coolant. If there is a failure in one market alone, that means that the company didn't understand the requirements of that market before they decided to sell there.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Engines shipped to areas with high sulfur gasoline often get different piston ring coatings. The water pipes are stainless steel for Mexico market engines because the owners often use water to top up coolant. If there is a failure in one market alone, that means that the company didn’t understand the requirements of that market.

jumping curbs.

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

jumping curbs.

So, we should be getting notified of similar recalls for every other model that sells in China... since no one could have predicted it.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

So, we should be getting notified of similar recalls for every other model that sells in China... since no one could have predicted it.

The NTHSA already looked into and they there is no merit...if some guy wants to go over curbs and side swipe them

in other news:

https://translate.google.com/transla...TVA5N4EBI.html

Google Translate
Mercedes gives up autonomous driving: "We can't win the race"

Profits are more important than innovation
For Mercedes, there are mainly economic reasons that Ola Källenius, as a new strong man, has conceded many of the lofty plans of his predecessor Dieter Zetsche. "The conversion to a mobility provider is a thing of the past," says the Mercedes spokesman. "We will move away from it again." Obviously, the first experiences in this direction were sobering: "You can't make money with offers like car sharing," says the Mercedes man and then it becomes clear: "Our investors expect not only sales, but especially profit. "In other words: the dividend should be right - even in economically difficult times.

To achieve this, Källenius has cut research and development investments, among other things. The collaboration with BMW that had just begun was also terminated by mutual agreement. They wanted to share the horrendous development costs for autonomous driving with the Munich-based company. But it is now clear: A business model will not result from this in the next few years. As soon as the cooperation became known, trend researcher Mario Herger, who had already worked as a consultant for several German car manufacturers, scoffed from Silicon Valley: "Two companies that can't software now want to develop software." It's in Munich too has become suspiciously quiet over the past few months when it comes to autonomous driving.

That's really interesting. I wonder if Mercedes and BMW will be future customers of Tesla for the FSD software or will they buy it from someone else.

[arghx7]

regarding recall, vehicle was not designed for the market conditions, this is on Tesla.

[edkwon]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/gms-...s-testing.html

This article was reposted across the various Tesla owner forums online, was hilarious reading the outraged triggered reactions from owners

[arghx7]

They weighted it so the actual driving assist portion was only a small portion of the overall score for a driving assistance system.

[mhoward1]

Originally Posted by edkwon

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/gms-...s-testing.html

This article was reposted across the various Tesla owner forums online, was hilarious reading the outraged triggered reactions from owners

So did I hear that interview right? They took points off because it operates in traffic and non-highways? They also dinged it because it recognizes stoplights?

What the heck?

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by mhoward1

So did I hear that interview right? They took points off because it operates in traffic and non-highways? They also dinged it because it recognizes stoplights?

What the heck?

this doesn't matter:



but this matter:

"Even after two years, Cadillac’s Super Cruise remained our top-rated system because, when turned on, it uses direct driver monitoring to warn drivers that appear to have stopped paying attention to the road."

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...8sAGbsMdpCRvKU

[Hondaslayer]

So, feelings rank higher than science......


Again.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by BeepBoop

Reminds me of a certain other tech company that has done everything in it's power to make it a "lifestyle" versus just another product you purchase.

You're obviously talking about Harley Davidson. I mean, once you own the wardrobe, you look a little ridiculous on a Suzuki.

[juanmedina]

I think at the current FSD Beta software state it should make it to my work and to pick up my kids without me having to intervene:

https://youtu.be/6f5eHfmrwzs

https://youtu.be/6f5eHfmrwzs