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Old 01-28-2021, 02:12 PM   #3126
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They got rid of even more physical controls (signal stalk and drive mode selector), and replaced the steering wheel with that knight rider inspired atrocity that only works if the rack ratio is 1:1.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:24 PM   #3127
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They got rid of even more physical controls (signal stalk and drive mode selector), and replaced the steering wheel with that knight rider inspired atrocity that only works if the rack ratio is 1:1.
Oh, ok. To me UI is the software you interact with.

Yes, again they have made things complicated. We will see if it is better or livable. As I have said, I don't mind (or actually prefer) most of the Model 3/Y quirks.
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Old 01-28-2021, 02:57 PM   #3128
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Here is comparison of the EV Luxury Sedan that are in the market or will hit the market soon:

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Old 01-28-2021, 03:48 PM   #3129
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The Plaid+ is not available until late this year. It has the new battery architecture.
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Old 01-28-2021, 04:29 PM   #3130
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That is not confirmed. So far everything just says the old 18650. The 4680 would be part of the new battery as a structure system, which the Model S Plaid+ does not have.
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Old 01-28-2021, 11:50 PM   #3131
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I'm going to wait until I try it. My main issue is that I prefer to drive one handed at the 10-11 o'clock position, and that won't be possible.
I guess if you prefer that your car always be on autopilot its a great idea, Buti Don think I could handle the fatigue of my arms hanging on at such an odd angle for prolong periods of time... Besides there will be people stupid enough to place their hands directly on top of the airbag, yikes...
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Old 01-30-2021, 08:58 PM   #3132
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Old 02-01-2021, 07:22 AM   #3133
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I don't see that steering wheel making its way into production. Making a u-turn would be awful with that wheel.
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Old 02-01-2021, 02:54 PM   #3134
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My Kia Cadenza has some issues with that. I often hit a button or two while spinning it.
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Old 02-02-2021, 10:06 AM   #3135
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I guess if you prefer that your car always be on autopilot its a great idea, Buti Don think I could handle the fatigue of my arms hanging on at such an odd angle for prolong periods of time... Besides there will be people stupid enough to place their hands directly on top of the airbag, yikes...
I have zero interest in Autopilot.

I usually rest my left elbow on the door sill (not armrest) and my hand lands perfectly at 10-11 o'clock. The Yoke would require a 9 o'clock position (although I think they teach kids to drive 9-3 now).
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Old 02-09-2021, 03:48 PM   #3136
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I watched this live. Incredibly entertaining
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Old 02-09-2021, 04:18 PM   #3137
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I watched this live. Incredibly entertaining
The fact that these guys still exist, means the stock still has to room to run, even in the short term.
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Old 02-09-2021, 08:40 PM   #3138
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Well, Sandy Munro is impressed with the new FSD

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Old 02-09-2021, 09:00 PM   #3139
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oh wow. Matt needs to get covid or something.
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some good accurate info on EVs and charging, solar panels
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oh wow. Matt needs to get covid or something.
He's not wrong that the business fundamentals of Tesla are kind of bull****, regardless of one's opinions of their cars, positive & negative
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Old 02-23-2021, 06:46 PM   #3142
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He's not wrong that the business fundamentals of Tesla are kind of bull****, regardless of one's opinions of their cars, positive & negative


this is all I care about; you decide:





Oh Elon


and Bill Gates on if he shorted Tesla in the past. Elon mentioned on his latest Joe Rogan interview that Bill shorted Tesla.

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tsla valuation makes no sense, but people keep buying it. stonks go up.
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tsla valuation makes no sense, but people keep buying it. stonks go up.
People are short sighted that's the problem. In your financial model what is a fair valuation? Institutions are buying, if you think retail has the power to keep the stock at current level that's just silly. I been hearing the same kind of non sense for years and I am very glad I did not listen. I used to believe that index funds were the only way too .
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People are short sighted that's the problem. In your financial model what is a fair valuation? Institutions are buying, if you think retail has the power to keep the stock at current level that's just silly. I been hearing the same kind of non sense for years and I am very glad I did not listen. I used to believe that index funds were the only way too .
It has nothing to do with short sided. Itís multiple on forward earnings is simply beyond a well valued company. Look, definitely deserves a large multiple and market cap but itís current valuation sure is frothy. Reality needs to set in, itís a car company. Yes, a technology advanced new age car company but itís still a car company and itís success or failure relies purely on moving cars. Not a single analyst or investor is looking at their solar business or power wall, just the cars and thus should be more inline with main stream autos.

Should it have a higher multiple than mainstream autos? Sure, Iím fine with that. They have the best underlying EV tech at the moment and for the foreseeable time along with dominating EV market share currently. That said, itís multiple is still
Beyond ridiculous.
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People are short sighted that's the problem. In your financial model what is a fair valuation? Institutions are buying, if you think retail has the power to keep the stock at current level that's just silly. I been hearing the same kind of non sense for years and I am very glad I did not listen. I used to believe that index funds were the only way too .
Hit a chord or something? Putting a lot of words in my mouth here. My use of the word "people" is just "investors", individual or institutional, it doesn't matter.

People are buying the stock so they think it's worth it. That's fine. When I go into a casino I don't need to gamble on every single type of game there - I find my niche and stick to it. In the market, I don't play with Tesla because I don't like the company. Don't like their cars. Don't feel like staying up to date on their news. I'd rather follow other stuff. So I don't have a valuation for Tesla. It's $0 in my eyes because it's not a stock I'm willing to gamble on. Maybe it goes up forever and I miss out. Whatever. I have plenty of other moves in the market that make me money. If they were trading closer to the valuation of significantly larger car companies, I'd find it to be more appropriate, but still not worth my investment.
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Tesla is the fastest growing brand worldwide and the leading electric vehicle brand. Globally, Tesla's vehicle deliveries reached almost 500,000 units in 2020. Concurrently, Tesla's Model 3 has become the world's best-selling plug-in electric vehicle model.

What is Tesla's market valuation?

The California-headquartered electric-car maker was founded in 2003 and went public in July 2010. Since then, Tesla has been on top of the trend towards alternative powertrains in the passenger vehicle industry. The company's market valuation set new records in 2020, reaching 442 billion U.S. dollars in September 2020. Between September 2019 and 2020, Tesla's share price rose by 950 percent.
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It has nothing to do with short sided. It's multiple on forward earnings is simply beyond a well valued company. Look, definitely deserves a large multiple and market cap but it's current valuation sure is frothy. Reality needs to set in, it's a car company. Yes, a technology advanced new age car company but it's still a car company and it's success or failure relies purely on moving cars. Not a single analyst or investor is looking at their solar business or power wall, just the cars and thus should be more inline with main stream autos.

Should it have a higher multiple than mainstream autos? Sure, I'm fine with that. They have the best underlying EV tech at the moment and for the foreseeable time along with dominating EV market share currently. That said, it's multiple is still
Beyond ridiculous.
so it is overvalued as a car company but analyst are not including solar, power wall business....and autonomy. If you add those what would the value be. Like I said you are looking at the value as of today, evaluation seem to be forward looking. Personally I been buying stock this week and short term movements like this week do not bother me. I also have CCIV, QS and ACTC all EV plays.
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so it is overvalued as a car company but analyst are not including solar, power wall business....and autonomy. If you add those what would the value be. Like I said you are looking at the value as of today, evaluation seem to be forward looking. Personally I been buying stock this week and short term movements like this week do not bother me. I also have CCIV, QS and ACTC all EV plays.
You're not understanding completely. Their solar business is ****ing dog **** and loses the company money. Their panels are legitimately near dead last in terms of efficiency. Its a financial suck to the business. It is still factored into the earnings because it drags down overall profitability. Power wall has barely any business as well. Autonomy is already factored into the valuation as its part of the car business, its not a stand alone segment within the company as they go hand in hand.

Its an auto company and should be closer inline with other autos. Yes, as already stated it deserves a higher multiple than traditional autos but the multiple it trades at is just unwarranted and beyond the means of any valuation fundamentals.
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You're not understanding completely. Their solar business is ****ing dog **** and loses the company money. Their panels are legitimately near dead last in terms of efficiency. Its a financial suck to the business. It is still factored into the earnings because it drags down overall profitability.

Power wall has barely any business as well.

Autonomy is already factored into the valuation as its part of the car business, its not a stand alone segment within the company as they go hand in hand.

Its an auto company and should be closer inline with other autos. Yes, as already stated it deserves a higher multiple than traditional autos but the multiple it trades at is just unwarranted and beyond the means of any valuation fundamentals.
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