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Old 01-08-2018, 05:32 PM   #1476
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^^ you are NOT wrong dwf137

I think the Levorg is better looking as well, but I am driving an Allroad, and you have to admit the TourX is as good looking as the Allroad. I compare the TourX to the Outback more than the WRX wagon that is the Levorg. The outback and tourx are very close in size. Only the tourx has a real engine and a nice 8 speed transmission.
agreed. it's not terrible, just not quite my style.
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:11 PM   #1478
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I need honest opinion and please save me some smarts$$ remarks. After my 2017 Impreza failed oil consumption I'm letting this pile of dog $hit go, I want to get something what would replace that. That being said something wagonish. Levorg is not happening here, so I'm considering VW alltrack, used volvo v60, audi allroad. Not sure about Buick. It checkes out most of boxes, but I'm just not really into buick looks. Any other suggestions? Maybe Forester XT? I know, I know. Forester is more is an suv. Would really appreciate your input.

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Old 01-13-2018, 03:37 PM   #1479
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I need honest opinion and please save me some smarts$$ remarks. After my 2017 Impreza failed oil consumption I'm letting this pile of dog $hit go, I want to get something what would replace that. That being said something wagonish. Levorg is not happening here, so I'm considering VW alltrack, used volvo v60, audi allroad. Not sure about Buick. It checkes out most of boxes, but I'm just not really into buick looks. Any other suggestions? Maybe Forester XT? I know, I know. Forester is more is an suv. Would really appreciate your input.

Your '17 failed? First I've heard of the new motor. How come you don't just get that one fixed? As for the opinion. I'd love a FXT
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:42 PM   #1480
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Your '17 failed? First I've heard of the new motor. How come you don't just get that one fixed? As for the opinion. I'd love a FXT
Those of us who own them know the FXTT is not only the best Subaru makes... it's also the best value in a vehicle out there.

Add in a very few cheap and easy upgrades and it is unbeatable.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:32 PM   #1481
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Your '17 failed? First I've heard of the new motor. How come you don't just get that one fixed? As for the opinion. I'd love a FXT
Yeah, this.... What happened?

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Old 01-13-2018, 04:50 PM   #1482
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Your '17 failed? First I've heard of the new motor. How come you don't just get that one fixed? As for the opinion. I'd love a FXT
Actually it was me and another I believe 12 guys with 5MT. Seems like CVT wasnt affected. It was a headache in past 8 months. 2 of guys I talked to had their shortblock replaced twice with same result. Then another few guys looking into class action. Trust me I really reconsidered just fixing it, but I'm just tired of it. I think 16 or 17 visits at subaru dealership.

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Old 01-13-2018, 05:03 PM   #1483
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Yeah, this.... What happened?

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Let just put it this way. I had to add 1 qt of oil every 1400-1600 miles otherwise it would go dry. Griding from day one. That is my 14th Subaru. I went through shortblock replacement on my 2011 wrx and Ringlands on my 2008 STI.
Went to dealership after first low oil engine level warning( not pressure ). Did oil consumption test. They said it was normal. Called Subaru and was told unless test fails I can get new shortblock. Few months later went for another test to different dealership. Found out that was actually severe.
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Didn't mean to hack Levorg thread, but I want to find another hatch/wagon and I know there is not much of a choice out there. FXT seems nice as well, but heard different stories on cvt. Also prefer something with less ground clearance.
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If you can easily and cheaply upgrade the seats in the FXT, then do that.

Sorry about your Impreza. I have the 17 Sport CVT. No oil issues. Driven hard since Day 1, as with all my Subies. I hadn't heard about the 5MT ones having issues. Kinda odd. I'll have to look into it. I almost got one, but CVT had better options at the time. Plus safer for most people to drive (safety features).
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Don't take me wrong. I loved Impreza Sport at first. It was great overall and you can't beat value for that price. I just got that feeling that I need something with more hp. On top of that all those issues killed my desire in getting that one fixed and new one despite the fact Subaru approved shortblock replacement. I know, I know. New engine its like brand new car. It just personal preference. Yeah. I know I got issues
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I was looking into VW sportwagen the other day. Dealership dropped their prices significantly. 4Motion SEL you could get for around $24k. Their msrp is 34k. Just not sure how reliable are they and pretty sure resale value will go to hell as soon as I sign papers.
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I was looking into VW sportwagen the other day. Dealership dropped their prices significantly. 4Motion SEL you could get for around $24k. Their msrp is 34k. Just not sure how reliable are they and pretty sure resale value will go to hell as soon as I sign papers.

Are you talking an SEL Alltrack? AFAIK the 4Motion Sportwagen only has the S trim, and fwd Sportwagen gets all the trims.
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Are you talking an SEL Alltrack? AFAIK the 4Motion Sportwagen only has the S trim, and fwd Sportwagen gets all the trims.
Yes, yes!!! I'm sorry. Thats what I meant. SEL in Alltrack.
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If you can easily and cheaply upgrade the seats in the FXT, then do that.

Sorry about your Impreza. I have the 17 Sport CVT. No oil issues. Driven hard since Day 1, as with all my Subies. I hadn't heard about the 5MT ones having issues. Kinda odd. I'll have to look into it. I almost got one, but CVT had better options at the time. Plus safer for most people to drive (safety features).
M/T, 4EAT, CVT, it doesn't matter. Some owners with CVT have busted short blocks but won't notice the issue due to their mild driving pattern. Most CVT owners, like you and KC, have good short blocks and wouldn't see any consumption issue even if they had an M/T.
Basically, IMO, Subaru hasn't actually fixed the oil control ring or cylinder bore quality issue.
I can't say I'm surprised; that "new" FB20 short block is built just like all the others since MY2012.
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Buying new, Alltrack seems like solid value as long as you keep it a few years. Buying used I'd go 328i xdrive, maybe allroad, depending on priorities and preferences.

Or deal with the current car and wait to see what shows up on the Subaru Global Platform... I've gotta believe a next-gen Forester will be pretty good, if there's any kind of performance trim.
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I want there to be a next gen FXT so SeeeeeYa can upgrade.
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it could have 49 hp and 3 flat tires and he would claim its the greatest thing on the road.
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it could have 49 hp and 3 flat tires and he would claim its the greatest thing on the road.
Secretly I'm hoping it'll perform better in every metric, but he'll still keep his current gen FXT, claiming it's the bestest of all the times forever.

I'd reward that commitment while also finding myself jealous of it.
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Secretly I'm hoping it'll perform better in every metric, but he'll still keep his current gen FXT, claiming it's the bestest of all the times forever.

I'd reward that commitment while also finding myself jealous of it.
Sadly, sometimes it happens that way. Sometimes the best only comes once... like my beloved '05 LGT. At least the '17 FXTT has two years to shine, now that the '18 is here.

That said, other than looks and its uniqueness at the time, even the LGT has been eclipsed in terms I now find important. With history as a guide, and despite my satisfaction with my technically polished '17 FXTT, it's possible even it will be succeeded with one even better... although I expect it to be more one of degree than radical change. I don't see anything on the horizon that hints at that.

Maybe I do own my last Subaru. The technology I have satisfies me, and nothing I see coming really influences that. I'm done with sedans, wagons, and hatches. I'm done with NA. Any improvements to EyeSight I don't need... but if I'm honest the function of ES in my '16 WRX was the best. So what's left? Looks.. LOL... that's gone and I couldn't care less.

What's sad is the lack of satisfaction I see here in those who haven't found their automotive happiness yet. Empty yearning without hope not only ruins the present, but futures.

Some of us fanboys get it. Too many others can only throw stones instead of rose petals. Rock on Chano.
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Sadly, sometimes it happens that way. Sometimes the best only comes once... like my beloved '05 LGT. At least the '17 FXTT has two years to shine, now that the '18 is here.

That said, other than looks and its uniqueness at the time, even the LGT has been eclipsed in terms I now find important. With history as a guide, and despite my satisfaction with my technically polished '17 FXTT, it's possible even it will be succeeded with one even better... although I expect it to be more one of degree than radical change. I don't see anything on the horizon that hints at that.

Maybe I do own my last Subaru. The technology I have satisfies me, and nothing I see coming really influences that. I'm done with sedans, wagons, and hatches. I'm done with NA. Any improvements to EyeSight I don't need... but if I'm honest the function of ES in my '16 WRX was the best. So what's left? Looks.. LOL... that's gone and I couldn't care less.

What's sad is the lack of satisfaction I see here in those who haven't found their automotive happiness yet. Empty yearning without hope not only ruins the present, but futures.

Some of us fanboys get it. Too many others can only throw stones instead of rose petals. Rock on Chano.
Perfectly mature response. You don't belong here! Haha

That's pretty much the response I expected, and I'd have to agree that in the end it'll probably just come down to looks. There are plateaus, and then there are new plateaus to be reached.

The future knows all.

Thanks for your insight and for being such a good sport.
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Anytime I want to get a new Subaru I just look at this thread and I come to my senses.
This... I went out and test drove a new WRX Friday; mine is starting to "Nickle and dime me" (cooling system, ps, starter, whatever is next) but more than that, I'm getting bored of working on it in the winter in an ice cold garage.

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-Seats are a disappointment; the seats in my wife's base carolla im are bolstered better
-Throttle mapping is crap; I swear 10% input = 40% throttle
-surging at WOT from about 4k on up
-rev hang
-pretty sure it's slower than my 12 year old wagon
-have to give up copious wagon cargo space
-have to give up tow rating
-have to give up rear LSD
-brakes..not getting into it
-clutch pedal is economy car soft and clutch engagement is wonky, would probably get used to it, I just don't like it
-EPS; enough said
-seats.. again; WTF Subaru, I can only get optional Recaros on the premium not the limited, but can only get LED headlights on the Limited
-will need sway bars since it's an understeer machine, at least a big rear bar
-could not disable hill start assist; I tried, but I couldn't get it to go away, even though it's spelled out in the manual; user error for sure, but I'd have to do this every start up.
-200lbs added to curb weight.

I'm a picky @$$-h0l3; I'm sure owners of the current gen WRX love it, and I'm sure it has it's merits (FA20 & chassis, right?), but the amount of stuff I have to give up that I use in my older model far outweighs the stuff I'm getting in a new one that I don't want (hill assist, backup camera, touch screen head unit, curb weight, etc.). I don't think I would be happy driving the car stock until the warranty is up, which is the primary draw of a new car (warranty period).

If the Levorg came here, some of my issues would be dealt with, and I'd end up test driving one; it's an attractive wagon, but that just isn't going to happen, so it's a moot point. Time to order parts I guess...
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Taking a bit of a tangent line here... what is your complaint with hill-start assist? I personally love it in a city with super steep streets and moron drivers who don't understand that manual transmissions still exist. If you "need" the car to roll back, just disengage the clutch without using the brake pedal - no hill-start assist. It doesn't hinder acceleration in any meaningful way. The ONLY time I have found that I don't like it is when I'm parked on a steep street, because it holds the car still and I'm not totally sure how much engagement with the clutch I have (will the car roll forward/back after the hill-start assist lets go?), but engaging the clutch without brake pedal, using the emergency brake instead, I can avoid its engagement.

Or perhaps Subaru has made hill-start assist more invasive compared to the version in my car?

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Sadly, sometimes it happens that way. Sometimes the best only comes once... like my beloved '05 LGT. At least the '17 FXTT has two years to shine, now that the '18 is here.

That said, other than looks and its uniqueness at the time, even the LGT has been eclipsed in terms I now find important. With history as a guide, and despite my satisfaction with my technically polished '17 FXTT, it's possible even it will be succeeded with one even better... although I expect it to be more one of degree than radical change. I don't see anything on the horizon that hints at that.

Maybe I do own my last Subaru. The technology I have satisfies me, and nothing I see coming really influences that. I'm done with sedans, wagons, and hatches. I'm done with NA. Any improvements to EyeSight I don't need... but if I'm honest the function of ES in my '16 WRX was the best. So what's left? Looks.. LOL... that's gone and I couldn't care less.

What's sad is the lack of satisfaction I see here in those who haven't found their automotive happiness yet. Empty yearning without hope not only ruins the present, but futures.

Some of us fanboys get it. Too many others can only throw stones instead of rose petals. Rock on Chano.
I can't justify dropping my Legacy GT wagon for a Forester XT. Or a 3.6R Outback. No matter how you spin it, neither are a Legacy GT wagon replacement. Which is why the Levorg was made in the first place. I'd rather replace every part many times over in my Legacy than settle for Subaru's strategy of offering un-alternatives for our market and all alternatives for everyone else.
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Taking a bit of a tangent line here... what is your complaint with hill-start assist? I personally love it in a city with super steep streets and moron drivers who don't understand that manual transmissions still exist. If you "need" the car to roll back, just disengage the clutch without using the brake pedal - no hill-start assist. It doesn't hinder acceleration in any meaningful way. The ONLY time I have found that I don't like it is when I'm parked on a steep street, because it holds the car still and I'm not totally sure how much engagement with the clutch I have (will the car roll forward/back after the hill-start assist lets go?), but engaging the clutch without brake pedal, using the emergency brake instead, I can avoid its engagement.

Or perhaps Subaru has made hill-start assist more invasive compared to the version in my car?
I disabled mine because it was very annoying.
HA uses the rear brakes to hold the car in place. Sounds neat. Except that my car was turning on HA on mild hills where it was not needed, and holding the brakes far too long than needed, causing me to get out of sync with the car and stalling or forcing me to break or burn clutch to get the car moving again. Pretty much made it look like I didnt know how to drive manual.
Disabling HA made moving out from a dead stop much easier and responsive.
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