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Old 05-27-2020, 10:57 AM   #12201
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Besides going up to a ti I think that's firmly in the high and range of gaming rigs. You going to use the stock CPU heat sink and fan?
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:01 AM   #12202
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More juice on the PSU would be my initial thought. Recommended is around 650W and I prefer to have overhead too.

While not “luxury” high end, I would call that a solid build.

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Old 05-27-2020, 11:33 AM   #12203
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Besides going up to a ti I think that's firmly in the high and range of gaming rigs. You going to use the stock CPU heat sink and fan?
I already have the super, I was running it on my razer in a core. Yeah, the stock fan is fine. If I was going to go hard core I'd water cool. I'm not really interested in overclocking. Stability is more important to me these days, I'm old.
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:36 AM   #12204
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More juice on the PSU would be my initial thought. Recommended is around 650W and I prefer to have overhead too.

While not “luxury” high end, I would call that a solid build.
Hopefully the 500 will be enough as it's sitting on my kitchen table. These 7nm parts draw a lot less current and I'm not overclocking it so I figured good enough.
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:39 AM   #12205
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On the bright side I have the cabling nailed what with it all being m.2.
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Old 05-27-2020, 12:48 PM   #12206
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I ran a top tier seasonic 500w with an FX9590/Gtx 1080 combo. It only crashed a couple of times in the 2 years I ran it. My nephew runs a cheap 650w corsair psu that crashes every now and then. I think you can manage as long as you don't oc and you have a high tier psu.
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Old 05-27-2020, 01:25 PM   #12207
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I ran a top tier seasonic 500w with an FX9590/Gtx 1080 combo. It only crashed a couple of times in the 2 years I ran it. My nephew runs a cheap 650w corsair psu that crashes every now and then. I think you can manage as long as you don't oc and you have a high tier psu.
If it gets flakey I'll change it. It was 50.00. I was looking at the delta between a no bells and whistles PSU and the "gamer" PSUs and said **** it. I don't need RGB in my PSU.
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Old 05-27-2020, 01:53 PM   #12208
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Yeah I think 2080S and 3900X bumps you up a little from mid range .
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Old 05-27-2020, 02:20 PM   #12209
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Yeah I think 2080S and 3900X bumps you up a little from mid range .
Cool.

I figured high end was threadrippers and water cooled SLI setups. I wasn't playing in that league. I bought the stuff that was just below the derp barrier. The 3rd gen Ryzen 9 was 419.00 anything beyond that was derp money. I went with the DDR4 3600 because the 4400 was over twice as expensive and the difference in performance really isn't that great. I bought an RTX 2080 Super black because it was like 200.00 cheaper than the RGB ones. The motherboard was more than I wanted to spend, but it was the cheapest thing I could find that was both not back ordered and supported PCI 4.0 and supported 2 m.2 drives. Everything else was like 600.00 with that support. Also, who the **** pays 600.00 for a motherboard!??!!
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Old 05-27-2020, 04:36 PM   #12210
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If it gets flakey I'll change it. It was 50.00. I was looking at the delta between a no bells and whistles PSU and the "gamer" PSUs and said **** it. I don't need RGB in my PSU.
I can't find the list I consulted about PSU tiers, but I think the way they define it, anything tier 3 or better should supply power reliably.

I'm going to come up on this challenge soon because I'm building a mini itx. Not many good psus in this form factor.
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Old 05-27-2020, 05:10 PM   #12211
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I can't find the list I consulted about PSU tiers, but I think the way they define it, anything tier 3 or better should supply power reliably.

I'm going to come up on this challenge soon because I'm building a mini itx. Not many good psus in this form factor.
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

I run a Corsair RMx about 100w more than recommended.
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Old 05-27-2020, 07:09 PM   #12212
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Old 05-27-2020, 07:14 PM   #12213
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I already have the super, I was running it on my razer in a core. Yeah, the stock fan is fine. If I was going to go hard core I'd water cool. I'm not really interested in overclocking. Stability is more important to me these days, I'm old.
I didn't think there was much overhead for OC, water or not, on the higher up Ryzen chips. If I was building something like that, id probably go with an upsized cooler like the noctua mostly for a quieter machine when its working hard, but it should get you a little more margin on the cooling, too. Nice thing about that is that it's easy to do later if the oem fan is too noisy or if you find that you want more cooling power. My last build was a little obnoxious with the fan noise.
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Old 05-27-2020, 07:23 PM   #12214
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I didn't think there was much overhead for OC, water or not, on the higher up Ryzen chips. If I was building something like that, id probably go with an upsized cooler like the noctua mostly for a quieter machine when its working hard, but it should get you a little more margin on the cooling, too. Nice thing about that is that it's easy to do later if the oem fan is too noisy or if you find that you want more cooling power. My last build was a little obnoxious with the fan noise.
The funny thing about that is that I built a really mediocre system for my wife a few weeks ago and the cooler that came with it has been pretty awesome. like to the point where it was running even though I had failed to plug in the CPU fan properly. If it has no problem with no fan and operating anyway, I'm pretty happy. That's kind of amazing from my perspective. A few years ago a processor without cooler would have run into thermal issues almost immediately.
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Old 05-27-2020, 08:08 PM   #12215
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I'm going to come up on this challenge soon because I'm building a mini itx. Not many good psus in this form factor.
good luck... i just built a matx setup ~two weeks ago, was tired of doing towers after twenty years. the PSU was the hardest thing to find for a "normal" price. i'd find a evga/seasonic/etc 650 watt. i'd find one and add it to my cart and twenty minutes later it'd be out of stock and the buy other options were literally twice the price.

ended up finding a Corsair CM series at my local BB for $105 versus the $250 plus s/h that i was running across online. not perfect but should suffice.
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:00 PM   #12216
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good luck... i just built a matx setup ~two weeks ago, was tired of doing towers after twenty years. the PSU was the hardest thing to find for a "normal" price. i'd find a evga/seasonic/etc 650 watt. i'd find one and add it to my cart and twenty minutes later it'd be out of stock and the buy other options were literally twice the price.

ended up finding a Corsair CM series at my local BB for $105 versus the $250 plus s/h that i was running across online. not perfect but should suffice.
This is what I'm afraid of. High tier SFF psus are so hard to find. Plenty of crappy ones on Amazon.
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Old 05-28-2020, 06:42 AM   #12217
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This is what I'm afraid of. High tier SFF psus are so hard to find. Plenty of crappy ones on Amazon.
There are plenty of SFX power supplies available. Back when I built my Ncase M1 (2013) there was really only Silverstone and 450W was the highest. Now Corsair makes some great ones as well, they have platinum rated and 750W...

Kids these days...

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Old 05-28-2020, 10:03 AM   #12218
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I think a lot of people are upgrading these days. I had a hard time finding some components and shipping times were long.
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Old 05-28-2020, 10:24 AM   #12219
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Ahh. Yes availability in actual available stock, I can see that may be an issue. I was referring to models that have been available to purchase in the SFX format which has grown a lot in the last 5 years.
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Old 05-28-2020, 04:24 PM   #12220
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Since PSUs are the hot subject right now. Have there been any major advances over the past 10 years or so that would render an older PSU not worth using in a new build? I've got a PC Power & Cooling 610W with something like a 50A 12V single rail that I'm hoping is still relevant since it was barely used when I replaced it with the 750W version(around 2010.)
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Old 05-28-2020, 04:32 PM   #12221
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Since PSUs are the hot subject right now. Have there been any major advances over the past 10 years or so that would render an older PSU not worth using in a new build? I've got a PC Power & Cooling 610W with something like a 50A 12V single rail that I'm hoping is still relevant since it was barely used when I replaced it with the 750W version(around 2010.)
If you have an older PSU that is still working and you're thinking about bringing it forward to the new build, don't.

Speaking from decades of building my own computers, save yourself a lot of grief. Get a fresh PSU. They eventually fail in ways that make your computer seem unreliable.

On the bright side, the new units can be more power efficient and if you like playing dress up, you can fill them up with fancy modular cables.
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Old 05-28-2020, 05:29 PM   #12222
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If you have an older PSU that is still working and you're thinking about bringing it forward to the new build, don't.

Speaking from decades of building my own computers, save yourself a lot of grief. Get a fresh PSU. They eventually fail in ways that make your computer seem unreliable.

On the bright side, the new units can be more power efficient and if you like playing dress up, you can fill them up with fancy modular cables.
It's a PSU from what was a very reputable brand at the time I used for 2 months maybe. It's old but it doesn't have many hours on it. I'm more worried about compatibility with new hardware or any downsides to the single rail vs multiple 12v rails for new stuff.



I haven't built a PC in 6 years or so but I'm getting the itch and don't really want to research the new tech until I've decided to actually build.
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Old 05-28-2020, 06:57 PM   #12223
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You could get a few years out of it, but make sure it has enough of the 8-pin PCIe for the video card + motherboard that you go with.
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Old 05-28-2020, 07:00 PM   #12224
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Single 12v rail or maybe 2. Some of the old PSUs used a ton of rails as a marketing gimmick.


BUY A NEW POWER SUPPLY!


It's $100, I can't tell you how many weird annoying issues I've encountered that were all psu related.
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Old 05-28-2020, 07:46 PM   #12225
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You could get a few years out of it, but make sure it has enough of the 8-pin PCIe for the video card + motherboard that you go with.
^This was also why I went with an uprated PSU. More EPS pins!

Seriously you guys. It’s a small cost compared to the $700 graphics card and silly RGB lighted bull****. And new ones ARE more efficient and less expensive for that efficiency than they were 10 years ago.
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