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Old 12-28-2000, 09:38 PM   #1
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Hello fellow Subaru owners,

I want to first say thanks to everyone who replied my topic...Now I am down to three possible tires:

1. Bridgestome Potenza S-02 Pole Position
2. Toyo T1-S
3. Yokohama AVS Sport

Which tire would you choose and why...?

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Old 12-28-2000, 09:40 PM   #2
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Tell you what, buy all three and compare them...

(I pick number 2 because they are pretty)
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Old 12-28-2000, 09:44 PM   #3
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I'm not that CRAZY!!!

...but that puts 1 for Toyo...thanks!!!

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Old 12-28-2000, 09:46 PM   #4
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1 and 2 are a toss-up, can't go wrong with either... Don't know to much about the third.
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Old 12-28-2000, 10:01 PM   #5
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S02 PPs.

To be honest...at this point I'd go for the brand I like the most..because I'm sure these 3 tires are all very GOOD!
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Old 12-28-2000, 11:04 PM   #6
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Personally id go with the SO-2 PPs

Only played with them on the s2000 but they are really nice tires, cant go wrong here.

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Old 12-29-2000, 12:50 AM   #7
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I'd go for the AVS Sport, better dry traction than the Toyos and considerably cheaper than the S02 PP in most sizes.
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Old 12-29-2000, 06:39 AM   #8
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I have experience with both the S02 and T1Ses. The S02 has better dry traction and doesn't complain as much as the T1S, but the T1S is far superior as a wet traction. Its a toss up to really what you want more. I currently have the T1S on my wheels. I can tell you one thing about the T1Ses though, they have a very agressive look w/ their treadwear and looks awsome on our cars. The S02 is so-so and won't stand out as much. You'll love the T1Ss everytime you look at them. As far as Yokohama, I love my Nexus'es, but don't know to much about the AVS Sport. You can't go wrong either way bud, have fun w/ them!

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Old 12-30-2000, 10:15 AM   #9
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I have the Toyos and can say that they are GREAT tires. Grip REALLY well and the wear has been way better than I expected.
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Old 12-30-2000, 11:46 AM   #10
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The S-02s is a Porsche's favorite tire, so why not make it an RS's favorite tire, as well. I am saying this because my cousin works for a mechanic who services only exotic cars and it seems like he only sells the S-02s when a customer with a Porsche buys tires. I will be going this route as soon as the bills level off. So, S-02 Pole Position gets my vote.
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Old 12-30-2000, 04:31 PM   #11
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I'd get the Toyos. I know two people with Audis and Toyos (not T1-S mind you) and both like them alot, except in winter.
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Old 01-01-2001, 11:27 AM   #12
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Sunrise City Rider,

The S0-2 comes in an N rating which means it is built to a specific Porsche standard, taht is why so many S0-2s are sold to Porsche owners (as opposed to other exotic cars) Also oddly enough the Pole Position model is not N rated. Anyway they are still awesome tires and I have S0-2 PP on my Porsche.

Other tires that come (or used to) in an N rating are:

Michelin Pilot Sport
Michelin Pilot SX MXX3
Bridgestone RE 71
Yokohama A008P
Continental ContiSportContact
Dunlop D40 M2 (discontinued)
Pirelli P Zero Yellow (direzional and assimetrico)
Pirelli P Zero Rosso (direzional and assimetrico)
Pirelli P7 (discontinued)
BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR

And a bunch of others that I don't feel like looking up right now.
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Old 01-01-2001, 11:38 AM   #13
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Pilot, do you know what, specifically, it takes to get an N rating from Porsche? Do believe that the N-rated versions of the tires you list are different from the non-N rated ones, i.e, are there special runs of tires made for Porsche or is it a standard tire which has been approved by Porsche?
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I believe that Tirerack sells the N-rated SO-2s
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Old 01-01-2001, 05:16 PM   #15
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Pilot, do you know what, specifically, it takes to get an N rating from Porsche? Do believe that the N-rated versions of the tires you list are different from the non-N rated ones, i.e, are there special runs of tires made for Porsche or is it a standard tire which has been approved by Porsche?
I don't know off the top of my head, it is listed in the factory magazine Christophorus. If I didn't throw it away I'll post it here. The tires are indeed different from the non N versions, they can vary in construction, rubber compound or both from the off the shelf tire. Also there are several N versions N0, N1, and N2; these denote comfort oriented or sport oriented and I forget what the third is. I'll have to look them up again.

With winter tires Porsche has "approved fitments" but they are off the shelf tires not "N" tires the current listings are:

Michelin Pilot Alpin, Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2, Pirelli Winter 210/240 Snowsport, and Pirelli Winter 210 Assimetrico.

A more complete listing can be found here:
http://www.986faq.com/8-0/default.asp#004-008


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Old 01-01-2001, 06:46 PM   #16
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S-02PP, although the price is a little ridiculous for tires, IMHO. Like I have room to talk, just having spent 550 on Kumho V700's for autocross

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Old 01-02-2001, 12:31 AM   #17
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I didn't know that. I also would like you to share what the N rating designates.
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Old 01-02-2001, 11:19 AM   #18
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I would recommend the AVS sports, on tirerack and from several people I have talked to they are one of the stickest dry tires street-wise that they have used. Wet traction is so so.

They are also considerably cheeper then S-02's
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Old 01-02-2001, 04:50 PM   #19
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All depends on what you want. The Toyo's are going to last longer but not stick as well as the So2pp's. The SO2's are crazy expensive, but if you like the feeling of yer car driving on rails then get the SO2's, the tyres are awesome, I'm buying some in the spring for my P1 wheels. I had the Toyo T1S's 205-50-16, great tyre, not as sticky as the So2's or as good in the rain, but I did a lot of highway driving and the Toyos lasted a long time for me, I've got about 25K on them and they are in decent shape. All that just to put my vote in for the S02PP's. Only other comsideration is the Pilots sports or Mxx3's but the price is just way to crazy and I don;t think they're worth the extra buck.
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Old 01-03-2001, 12:02 AM   #20
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Wet traction is so-so? Compared to what, that you have driven?

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Old 01-03-2001, 07:54 PM   #21
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Wet traction is so so.
Colin,
Having driven both the SO-2 PP and the AVS Sport I have to give the nod in hydro-planing resistance to the SO-2 PP. However on a wet surface (no standing water) the AVS Sport has better grip (better resistance to what they call visco-planing), it also has better dry grip, is more responsive, and doesn't artifically weight the steering.

In the end the AVS Sport only loses two contests with the SO-2 PP, the AVS Sport is VERY noisy and the previsouly mentioned resitance to hydroplaning is greater with the SO-2 PP.

Anyway I'm also curious about Copec's comment.

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Old 01-03-2001, 07:58 PM   #22
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Old 01-04-2001, 09:09 AM   #23
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hmmmm...interesting, everyone I have talked to said the AVS sports wet traction was nothing special. Also since I have never had a set I couldn't really say, I am a yoco fan though :-)

I have driven an impreza with S-02's and can also say they handle very well. Much better then my previous set of midrange A520's on my impreza (winter tires on now).

also note these tirerack ratings:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/types/maxperf.htm
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/avs_sport.htm
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Old 01-04-2001, 09:29 AM   #24
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oh, and to be more clear on that so-so comment, basically i've been told and read on them that in rain its just midrange in high performance street tires.

I'm by no means an expert on tires, but I take note of what people tell me.

Pilot is much more knowadgable, and have personal expirence with the tire then me. (seams to anyhew)

The AVS sport is a good buy though, and the wet traction is still rather admirable. Yokohama advertises the wear technology in the AVS sport, and supposedly they have a fairly long life.

basically I would select the AVS sports. Sorry if I was confusing, I have a disconjoined thought process at times.
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Old 01-05-2001, 05:25 PM   #25
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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/avs_sport.htm

I find this article a little misrespresentative of the AVS Sport, the article says the tire is quiet, it is not (and for those wondering I've logged probably 10,000 miles on TTOversteer's AVS Sports on his MY99 RS, I've also driven SO-2 PP on more cars than I can count as well as gone through my own sets.)

Anyway, you should also note that in that article TireRack is testing tires that are wet oriented in nature and the AVS Sport is the most dry oriented tire in the test, and it came in second in the wet track lap time test.

Anyway just to clarify I didn't dispute that the SO-2 was ultimately better in the wet It's just that I think that the AVS Sport is the better all around tire, and it is a better value.
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