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Old 11-18-2023, 11:47 AM   #1
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Default Subaru to Adopt Tesla NACS

I'm surprised this wasn't linked before.

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Old 11-18-2023, 01:37 PM   #2
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Toyota already announced it so it is natural that Subaru will have to go with it too.

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Old 11-18-2023, 02:33 PM   #3
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It makes sense.
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Old 11-18-2023, 03:23 PM   #4
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Under the new management structure established in June 2023, Subaru has announced a goal of "aiming for 50% of total global sales to be BEVs in 2030" to contribute to achieving carbon neutrality.
Pretty ambitious and aggressive.
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Old 11-18-2023, 04:20 PM   #5
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Everyone will switch. It will be like gas pumps. Same nozzle for all petrol cars. It didn't make sense to have multiple options. NACS is the superior standard (to CCS/CHAdeMO).
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Old 11-20-2023, 06:59 AM   #6
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Back in April/May Ford signed a deal with Tesla & released a statement that they would be installing NACS ports on future vehicles. GM, in typical GM fashion, followed suit a month or two later. Fisker, Lucid & Polestar have signed on as well; it was/is only a matter of time for the rest of the legacy manufacturers to get on-board as the US accounts for a large portion of auto sales for most manufacturers, and most (if not all) major EV-only manufacturers have adopted it (or will be adopting it).

NACS is a "better" design from the standpoint that the connector is smaller & the cable is lighter; it is more manageable/maneuverable for more of the gen-pop to handle & connect to their cars.

CCS is rated to handle higher voltage than NACS; I use "rated" not "capable" as I haven't looked into the actual tech specs on either, only the published numbers. I'm willing to bet that from a technical standpoint CCS is capable of handling higher voltages; the cable is thicker & the connector is larger so likely has better insulation/segregation of pins/contacts.
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Old 11-20-2023, 01:24 PM   #7
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Back in April/May Ford signed a deal with Tesla & released a statement that they would be installing NACS ports on future vehicles. GM, in typical GM fashion, followed suit a month or two later. Fisker, Lucid & Polestar have signed on as well; it was/is only a matter of time for the rest of the legacy manufacturers to get on-board as the US accounts for a large portion of auto sales for most manufacturers, and most (if not all) major EV-only manufacturers have adopted it (or will be adopting it).

NACS is a "better" design from the standpoint that the connector is smaller & the cable is lighter; it is more manageable/maneuverable for more of the gen-pop to handle & connect to their cars.

CCS is rated to handle higher voltage than NACS; I use "rated" not "capable" as I haven't looked into the actual tech specs on either, only the published numbers. I'm willing to bet that from a technical standpoint CCS is capable of handling higher voltages; the cable is thicker & the connector is larger so likely has better insulation/segregation of pins/contacts.
It’s a big nothing burger. Unless you’re an 80 year old granny the only port that could even be remotely cumbersome is a chademo 480v. CCS has never been anything I have complained about over these last 10 years. And for most of that my cable isn’t spooled up. It’s ran the length of the garage and lays on the floor. Given the choice for home installation I’d rather have the CCS. Even the plastic port on the cable is very robust just like the cable itself. I have a 20’ extension for my L2 and you can just leave it in place.
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I would rather have a charging pad on the floor of the garage for inductive charging and nothing to "plug in".
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It's a big nothing burger. Unless you're an 80 year old granny the only port that could even be remotely cumbersome is a chademo 480v. CCS has never been anything I have complained about over these last 10 years. And for most of that my cable isn't spooled up. It's ran the length of the garage and lays on the floor. Given the choice for home installation I'd rather have the CCS. Even the plastic port on the cable is very robust just like the cable itself. I have a 20' extension for my L2 and you can just leave it in place.
The connector thing is like the ST/DST argument to me, I don't care which standardized connector is chosen, just that one is chosen; I don't care which time we settle on (ST or DST) just that we settle on one.

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I would rather have a charging pad on the floor of the garage for inductive charging and nothing to "plug in".
BMW 530e offers inductive charging; I imagine it will show up on more models as EVs increase in market share and pricing comes down. I'd have to see the efficiency numbers vs. plug-in, but if they are similar enough I'd probably go that route as well.

Municipalities are looking into inductive charging in roadways for electrified mass-transit; it's a way to not only reduce battery size, vehicle weight & vehicle cost while improving vehicle efficiency, but also will minimize/eliminate stationary charging & reduces costs associated with facility construction & maintenance (chargers & service size, as well as backup generator size).

Once it hits public sector use/adoption it's only a matter of time until the private sector will be allowed to utilize it. Normal/vanilla EV's could get by with significantly smaller packs; essentially a ~14kWh pack from a PHEV would be more than sufficient for an EV that has access to inductive charging during its normal daily routine; utilizing a super/ultracapacitor in conjunction with a battery would mean acceleration doesn't have to suffer by going to a smaller battery either.

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I don't want my kahunas anywhere near an inductive charging system. So, as long as they label the road accordingly I will take the long way.

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The connector thing is like the ST/DST argument to me, I don't care which standardized connector is chosen, just that one is chosen; I don't care which time we settle on (ST or DST) just that we settle on one.
It doesn’t matter man. Either/Or, they either give you a connector to turn one into the other, or you pay a nominal fee for it if the manu of the vehicle is cheap and doesn’t give you one.

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I don't want my kahunas anywhere near an inductive charging system. So, as long as they label the road accordingly I will take the long way.

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They'll be toll roads. There's no way they would charge your cars for free.
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