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Old 09-20-2017, 04:59 PM   #1
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Default Torque sticks - *Mind blown*

I've wrenched on cars for near 20yrs as a shadetree mechanic. I've spent years during highschool working at a garage, pumping gas, and doing tasks the mechanic thought was below him. battery checks/charges, tire plugs, gapping plugs, cleaning his messes etc. Done a number of install days, hung around suby shops when I cared about that kind of *****.

Because of nasioc, it's been engrained in my head to use a torque wrench on damn near everything, or my subaru's of past would die a fiery death.

Then I stumble upon the mighty torque stick. Holy moly I'm blown away at this simple contraption. Where have you been all my life? Why have I never seen this used in a commercial shop to torque wheels (I'm looking at you discount tire and other tire shops I've watched in the past) Never hear the term of a "torque stick," either.

Call me impressed!
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:16 PM   #2
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holy ****, just looked them up. utterly BRILLIANT! never heard of these either.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:21 PM   #3
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oh wow cool, never heard of them but quick search, it's a coil that just asorbs the extra torque when it reaches it limits, works only with an impact gun
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:50 PM   #4
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oh wow cool, never heard of them but quick search, it's a coil that just asorbs the extra torque when it reaches it limits, works only with an impact gun
Yeah, exactly. But that's fine. It in a way would make me more efficient. I wouldn't have to blast with the gun and then torque seperately.

Typically after each use, I set my torque wrench to it's softest setting. Then store it. So when I need to use it, I'm twisting it 10+ times to get to desired value, grabbing an extension, then the socket. It's not much really, 30sec? Then when done, loosen it back to softest setting, and store.

But just grabbing the 100ftlb stick and I'm done, while I already have the impact gun out.
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Old 10-02-2017, 01:54 PM   #5
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I don't trust torque sticks. I have had wheels nearly fall off from shops using sticks instead of a torque wrench. it seems that they wear out and lose tension through use. not sure if they have improved the design any over the years, but I still prefer a torque wrench.
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Old 10-02-2017, 05:04 PM   #6
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I don't trust torque sticks. I have had wheels nearly fall off from shops using sticks instead of a torque wrench. it seems that they wear out and lose tension through use. not sure if they have improved the design any over the years, but I still prefer a torque wrench.
the only problem I've ever had after having my car at a shop is breaking my tools trying to remove lugs put on with 850 ft-lbs of torque
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Old 10-02-2017, 05:35 PM   #7
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I have used torque sticks for years with no problems. They supposedly wear out after about 6 months of daily use so we always replaced the ones we used the most. Those of you who have problems getting your wheels off after a shop worked on it, the shop either zipped them on without torquing or used the wrong torque spec.

But that being said there are of course shady shops everywhere. Misusing tools does not make the tools themselves bad.
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:08 PM   #8
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I have them and never trust them, mostly because it's still affected by the number of 'dugga duggas'.
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:32 PM   #9
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Is this thread a joke?
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:00 PM   #10
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i dont trust torque sticks either. i hit it with an airgun and make sure its tight. all big bolts are gunned, and all small bolts are torqued. have over 1000 dollars in TQ wrenches and utilize them to the fullest.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:08 PM   #11
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I have them and never trust them, mostly because it's still affected by the number of 'dugga duggas'.
This is not scientific proof. They are designed to only flex a certain amount with the impact, you can't over torque them.
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Old 10-06-2017, 08:37 PM   #12
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This is not scientific proof. They are designed to only flex a certain amount with the impact, you can't over torque them.
Well you can overtorque with them. once they lose their metal memory you dont know what value you are torquing to.
They wear out and unless you have bought a very nice set (snap on, match, cornwell etc...) they wear out quite quick. If you drop them they also wear out. They really aren't a good investment. buy a nice high quality torque wrench and have it checked once a year for correct specs. You will save money in the long run.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:04 AM   #13
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its just a torsion spring. if you have a stronger impact, it will rotate more each hit and torque the nut more even with a torque stick. if you use a torque stick with a breaker bar you can still tighten things as much as you want until the stick breaks or something strips. the stick will just twist more as you tighten it. there is no toque limiting.
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Old 10-08-2017, 05:52 PM   #14
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This is not scientific proof. They are designed to only flex a certain amount with the impact, you can't over torque them.
wanna bet? ill gladly snap a stud off of your car with a torque stick if you want.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:38 AM   #15
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Should you choose to use them... (I know guys who swear by them, and then guys ((me)) that do not trust them) never ever ever ever ever use them to loosen something.
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:53 PM   #16
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wanna bet? ill gladly snap a stud off of your car with a torque stick if you want.
Exactly, to actually work correctly as claimed. It would have to be a whole kit including a specific impact gun. Or the stick kits had different model kit and I engineered to use with one specific gun. Air pressure setting, sor each tuuka will only rotate a certain amount of degrees. I still would never touch a set though haha

Just like a crap set of entry level coilovers. They arent properly valved to match x or y set of springs. VS a well thought out suspension.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:07 PM   #17
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Torque wrench > torque stick
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Ive worked in a few different dealerships, holding a few different positions, including as a technician. I used torque sticks in the past, and they are indeed fast and handy. I didnt trust them though. We have had instances of wheels falling of after the use of them, usually due to the wheel being cocked on the hub and then getting torqued down crooked. Once the tire straightened on the ground the nuts/bolts became loose.

As a technician, it took me a MAX of 1 minute to hand torque all wheels and confirm I wasn't liable for a wheel flying off on the highway. If you cant spare a minute to make sure you did your work correctly, you should be working on the vehicle.
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:28 PM   #19
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Ive worked in a few different dealerships, holding a few different positions, including as a technician. I used torque sticks in the past, and they are indeed fast and handy. I didnt trust them though. We have had instances of wheels falling of after the use of them, usually due to the wheel being cocked on the hub and then getting torqued down crooked. Once the tire straightened on the ground the nuts/bolts became loose.

As a technician, it took me a MAX of 1 minute to hand torque all wheels and confirm I wasn't liable for a wheel flying off on the highway. If you cant spare a minute to make sure you did your work correctly, you should be working on the vehicle.
OK, time for me to weigh in.......
Shudder......

Shop I work in PT has "torque sticks", to me, they are extensions (about eight inches long with different colors).
The described sticks are torque limiting devices, a coil spring.

If you behave yourself, dial the wrench down, and pay attention, a beam torque wrench or click wrench is the proper way.


Do I torque all my lugnuts?
No.
Do I have a feel with a 18" breaker bar?
Yes.

Have I had lugnuts come loose with my method?
Not as of today.

Go search under my user name, look for "nuts and bolts" in the title, one thread gives some more info......
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Old 10-21-2017, 11:44 PM   #20
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how many ugga ugga's do you tighten your wheels with?
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