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Old 02-16-2021, 11:51 AM   #76
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Used (2013+) still 70k, or right around there
Remember when the R35 debuted and was $65k new.
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:56 AM   #77
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A GT-R with a hybrid setup? Sounds like a two-ton car.
It's all relative. A M3/M4 is over 3800lbs. A Camaro ZL1 is 4100 lbs.
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Remember when the R35 debuted and was $65k new.
Yeah, I also remember where the stock market and liquidity was too when they started rolling into dealerships.

To be fair to Nissan, they did up the power with every price increase. Most notably 2012 MY saw a 50 hp and torque increase from 2009 model. Current refresh car is 90 hp and torque higher than 2009.
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Old 02-16-2021, 01:09 PM   #79
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. A Camaro ZL1 is 4100 lbs.
Maybe an auto convertible. A manual hardtop weighs (a still fat) 3883.
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Old 02-16-2021, 01:25 PM   #80
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Follow Chevy C8 lead and get the GT-R below 3500lbs and its totally new. A better transmission would be in order too.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:22 PM   #81
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Yeah, I also remember where the stock market and liquidity was too when they started rolling into dealerships.

To be fair to Nissan, they did up the power with every price increase. Most notably 2012 MY saw a 50 hp and torque increase from 2009 model. Current refresh car is 90 hp and torque higher than 2009.
It's fair. We are also at $113k now and sales are on free-fall since 2014.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:59 PM   #82
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Sales have generally been terrible since day one. In the first year they sold 1730 in the US. They haven't sold over 1k in the US since 2015 selling <500 annually. Chevy sells more Corvettes in a month than Nissan sells GTR's in a calendar year. Japanese supercars totally bomb when it comes to sales and it seems like people with lots of $$$ don't consider Japanese brands worthy. Chevy has always got it right for the most part with the Corvette being expensive but still attainable for many.
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Sales have generally been terrible since day one. In the first year they sold 1730 in the US. They haven't sold over 1k in the US since 2015 selling <500 annually. Chevy sells more Corvettes in a month than Nissan sells GTR's in a calendar year. Japanese supercars totally bomb when it comes to sales and it seems like people with lots of $$$ don't consider Japanese brands worthy. Chevy has always got it right for the most part with the Corvette being expensive but still attainable for many.
It seems like Japanese sports cars are typically coveted by demographics that can't afford them.* The only person I've ever known to own a GT-R was a well to do anime loving early 20 something. If that's who wants your $100K car, you're not going to sell many.

*This definitely applied to me. I lusted after a last gen Supra or RX7 R1 when I was a broke HS kid.
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Old 02-16-2021, 03:28 PM   #84
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It seems like Japanese sports cars are typically coveted by demographics that can't afford them.* The only person I've ever known to own a GT-R was a well to do anime loving early 20 something. If that's who wants your $100K car, you're not going to sell many.

*This definitely applied to me. I lusted after a last gen Supra or RX7 R1 when I was a broke HS kid.
When I was interested in the RX-7 (FD) the MSRP was about ~10k/33% more expensive than the Mustang/Camaro at the time, was not readily available in my area (I saw zero of them on the East Coast), and did not have the aftermarket support in the US that the American offerings did. The 300ZX was readily available, but again at a price premium.

I was also into drag racing at the time as well, which the LRA cars had an advantage in.

I think the R35 GT-R was a good move at the time (holy crap that was more than a decade ago), it carved out it's own niche.
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It's fair. We are also at $113k now and sales are on free-fall since 2014.
The 22 currently in the country average ~$121k. Nissan knows their brand is complete garbage. We know it. So they kick one out to top sales performers to sit on showroom floors to make them feel good about their success.

It's a halo product for the lowest common denominator brand. I'd pay $75k tops for one personally. TTRS money even seems too high for a Nissan.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:49 PM   #86
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The 22 currently in the country average ~$121k. Nissan knows their brand is complete garbage. We know it. So they kick one out to top sales performers to sit on showroom floors to make them feel good about their success.

It's a halo product for the lowest common denominator brand. I'd pay $75k tops for one personally. TTRS money even seems too high for a Nissan.
I think $75k for a GTR would be a solid price for one. Above that, solid pass. The interior looks dated as **** and Iíve personally never been a fan of the exterior either. For what they go for currently, and for what a NISMO version runs, thereís a bunch of new ans CPO cars Iíd much rather step into.
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It seems like Japanese sports cars are typically coveted by demographics that can't afford them.* The only person I've ever known to own a GT-R was a well to do anime loving early 20 something. If that's who wants your $100K car, you're not going to sell many.

*This definitely applied to me. I lusted after a last gen Supra or RX7 R1 when I was a broke HS kid.
Absolutely, the whole tuner scene was based off these cars being worth less than their true value in the mid to late 00's. So a whole generation of people(myself included) expected to see these cars come to market for the price of a mid level sedan. But that was just never going to happen. Of course, if wages had moved concurrent to market prices, then maybe people like me could at least afford a brand new 86/BRZ or stretch money to a used Supra 2.0, but if you're not put off by the domestic car's interiors(which have come on in leaps and bounds the last 5 years) then they would still be the much better buy.
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Old 02-18-2021, 03:06 AM   #88
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Remember when the R35 debuted and was $65k new.
Now that gets you a churched up Impreza.
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:20 AM   #89
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Nissan Slaps Additional Colors On GT-RS And Calls It New - How Long Can You Milk A 14 Year Old Supercar?

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The R35 GT-R is very old. I know it, you know it and Nissan knows it. Rumors about a successor have been swirling for nearly as long as the car itself has been in production, which is kind of impressive given that the R35 GT-Rís been going 14 years strong by this point. Still, Nissan would kindly request that you ignore this elephant that refuses to leave the room and enjoy the new 2021 GT-R T-Spec, yet another special edition of 2007's revolutionary everyday supercar.
Nissan Attempts To Distract From The GT-R's Advanced Age With Two Very Special New Colors

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It's a great car. Busted everything when it came out. I still like it. The only problem with it and the only reason I don't have one in the garage is no 6MT. 6MT or 7MT and it'd be there right now with a car cover on it for weekends.
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Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the next GTR comes out 5 years from now.
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as much as it pains me to admit it.

The current GTR is nothing but a numbers generating machine. It was never about engagement or the feelz.

If the next GTR is not an EV they have screwed the pooch.
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:21 PM   #94
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as much as it pains me to admit it.

The current GTR is nothing but a numbers generating machine. It was never about engagement or the feelz.

If the next GTR is not an EV they have screwed the pooch.
Agreed, the next GT-R could be a EV halo car for them. For a company that had such a head start on EVs, they fell quite flat.
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Yeah the GTR needs to be heavier. WTF Nissan.
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Agreed, the next GT-R could be a EV halo car for them. For a company that had such a head start on EVs, they fell quite flat.
They had the esflow concept car like 10 years ago... surprised they didn't do anything with it. Guess they were happy with the status quo.
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