|
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
07-06-2018, 02:15 PM | #26 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 385166
Join Date: Mar 2014
Chapter/Region:
E. Canada
Vehicle:2015 WRX Sport-Tech World Rally Blue Pearl |
|
07-06-2018, 02:46 PM | #27 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 88924
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:2014 Cadenza, Sedona Past: Tribeca LGTx2 Justy |
Yeah, I fell into that trap - owned nothing but Subaru for 15 years. When my Tribeca got hit (and totaled), Subaru had nothing in that segment, so I went Kia. Now I'm seeing that Kia has quite a few nice vehicles that I probably wouldn't have even considered two years ago.
|
07-06-2018, 03:53 PM | #28 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Northbridge, MA
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
To be fair, Kia has been upping their quality only more recently than 15 years.
It's definitely healthy to reconsider other manufacturers whenever you're in the market. Just have to be fair when doing research, like what's the current reputation and such. |
07-06-2018, 04:11 PM | #29 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 385166
Join Date: Mar 2014
Chapter/Region:
E. Canada
Vehicle:2015 WRX Sport-Tech World Rally Blue Pearl |
And residual value if like me, you can't keep a car more than 4-5 years or even less That's one of the reason why I have a Subaru
|
07-06-2018, 05:05 PM | #30 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 139693
Join Date: Feb 2007
Vehicle:Dura ngo 95 horrorshow |
Quote:
I was Honda only for many vehicles and years. Them axing their performance models got me into my first Subaru, the STI. These days I look at individual models way more than the brand. None of these mfr’s give a damn about me so I choose the right vehicle for my needs. Subaru, like Honda, dropped what I like so Bye Felicia. Easier to just move on and take my hard earned money elsewhere. I used to get something new every 2-3 years but I’m done with that too. Even with solid resale there is still $ loss and I figured out to keep stuff, pay it off, then I can add to the fleet. That way I keep myself from buying expensive things. MSRP’s are crazy these days so unless I’m dead set on keeping something I don’t make the purchase and don’t waste the money. It is nice having a DD and a weekend vehicle separate from each other. Trying to get too much out of one vehicle often involves compromise. With a DD I can rack up the miles on the less expensive car and make the more expensive model in my lineup last 3X - 5X as long. Something efficient to drive every day and something less efficient with power. |
|
07-06-2018, 07:08 PM | #31 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:135i vert fast leaf |
Not sure really... There's so many cars that would have fit the bill: 4runner, RDX, CX5, Tiguan, Pilot, Q5, Pathfinder, Rogue, Explorer, Grand Cherokee, etc...
I was so interested in Subaru's offerings that I overlooked the fact that other companies are gaining on them in safety and reliability, while their awd system takes a tick down every time the release a new transmission. |
07-07-2018, 12:32 AM | #32 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
Quote:
|
|
07-07-2018, 01:54 AM | #33 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:135i vert fast leaf |
Well, starting 2008 wrx lost a rear diff. Automatics are all now cvt and just about the same as most other garbage awd systems out there. Our outback spins the front wheels before the rear engages. Guaranteed it doesn't get better as Subaru implements Toyota's prime transmission in the next hybrid.
|
07-07-2018, 08:56 AM | #34 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 379605
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Peabody, MA
Vehicle:2017 Civic Sport 2012 Outback 2.5 |
Quote:
|
|
07-07-2018, 10:04 AM | #35 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
Yeah. I don't get to "live" with the current systems; but, the few days a year we get accumulation, I get the cars out to play with them on the back lot. I have not noticed any "spinning" outside the typical all 4 "dance" as I call it. But, they've always done that and VDC typically keeps that in check and I can only get it to do it on straight ice anyway. I have a couple friends with Crosstreks that are very outdoorsy. They LOVE the offroad capability. One says it's better than the Liberty he traded in. Yes, I know that's not the best comparison; but, he "brags" about his latest adventures all the time.
The only "issue" I have encountered was on purpose to test this trying to reverse over a curb when you butt the wheels against it(instead of a rolling start) and try to go. It certainly won't do it. I even shared a video of me trying on a FXT. But, have yet to have that issue with a simple, common sense, rolling start. Yes, I can see that there could be a situation where it gets stuck and can't move. I ain't worried about that small miniscule chance. Now, this "rear diff" complaint. Well, that's beyond me if someone could explain it for me. Each new version is faster overall that the previous; so, I don't fully understand the "problem". |
07-07-2018, 12:11 PM | #36 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:135i vert fast leaf |
It's not really a problem... but Subaru's awd system is no longer industry leading, aside from the sti. My wrx without a rear diff got around fine but was less tail driven in inclement weather. The point is less about what's wrong with that, but more that they're no longer differentiated from the pack because of superior awd. The other options are just as good in regular driving.
Our outback is rarely driven in the snow, it's mostly driven in rain or dry. On hard acceleration from a standstill, dry or wet, wheels turned, the front wheels spin for a half second until the rear catches up. Even my R, with a rear diff that Subaru lovers knock on left and right, doesn't spin on the same exact turn with significantly harder acceleration. Sure, different segment and tires, but the same rear diff is used on outback competitors from VW. Oh and I came across one particular road that demonstrated the lack of a rear diff in the wrx... drove it every day though. Steep uphill, hard right turn, with some interesting road contours, followed by a hard left, again with interesting contours. Rear tires lost traction every time because of the road dips, and the car would jerk and stumble. Every time. Outback and R have no issues. The car made it up fine, but it didn't feel good... Last edited by dwf137; 07-07-2018 at 12:21 PM. |
07-07-2018, 01:49 PM | #37 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: Northbridge, MA
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
The current AWD system still sends power to all of the wheels, but just sends more power to the front wheels under normal driving conditions. I know you already know this, but I just don't really know why you'd want 25% power at each corner every time you drive even when it isn't necessary?
I love the CVT over traditional automatics. I hate that they have to program in pretend shifts because people can't adapt their driving expectations. |
07-07-2018, 05:15 PM | #38 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: snoco wa
Vehicle:135i vert fast leaf |
Quote:
Couldn't agree more. The faux shifts are terrible, glad that our Outback doesn't have them to the same extent that the newer CVT's do. I just wish they had a more preemptive awd system. |
|
07-07-2018, 06:42 PM | #39 | ||
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
07-08-2018, 01:41 AM | #40 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 100607
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region:
AKIC
Location: Offutt, NE
Vehicle:2019 STI-His 14 XT-Hers |
Looking forward to this.
|
07-08-2018, 12:05 PM | #41 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 139693
Join Date: Feb 2007
Vehicle:Dura ngo 95 horrorshow |
Quote:
|
|
07-08-2018, 06:25 PM | #42 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
Quote:
Was unaware SH-AWD was put on the Hondas. I know they have a newer i-VTM4 system on the Pilot and Ridgeline; but, thought the rest got Real Time AWD? What's the difference in SH-AWD and i-VTM4? |
|
07-09-2018, 01:58 AM | #43 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 67807
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
|
Where is info stating the SGP WRX will be later than 2020MY or should be later than a 2020MY release? The SGP Impreza, Crosstrek, and Forester are following the same pattern of release as their respective preceding generations, so why not the SGP WRX?
|
07-09-2018, 04:35 AM | #44 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 340330
Join Date: Dec 2012
Vehicle:2015 WRX WRB |
So by the time the next STI arrives, the Impreza it's based on (tarted up on) will be near the end of its lifecycle? This means the interior and design (inside and out) will be incredibly outdated? The new imprezas interior already feels dated, imagine how it will be in 2 years time. Dayum.
My 15 wrx was released what 2-3 years after the previous Impreza, and now another 4 years on it's essentially 6-7 years old with no replacement in sight. Props to the guy whos been waiting since 2006..... |
07-09-2018, 08:09 AM | #45 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 94408
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region:
E. Canada
Location: Canada
Vehicle:17 STI Sport-Tech 20 Corolla Hybrid Premium |
^ The new impreza's interior doesn't feel dated at all to me. And I drive both that and the VA. The VA's is dated. Hands down.
I'm sure there will be enough trim refreshing to make it STI-fresh if it still has the current Impreza's interior. Though at this rate, who knows... it might have a different interior by then? |
07-09-2018, 10:18 AM | #46 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:2019 Macan 4cyl 1993 Impreza FWD WRX swap |
Quote:
At this point, they need to just skip this gen Impreza interior and use the next gen interior. |
|
07-09-2018, 03:40 PM | #47 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 141952
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: milwaukee'ish
Vehicle:2023 M340i |
they need the extra time to make sure its slower and heavier than the current one.
|
07-09-2018, 06:10 PM | #48 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 329797
Join Date: Aug 2012
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: NJ
Vehicle:2007 Outback |
Quote:
For the guy saying his 2017 Impreza's interior doesn't feel dated, by the time this car hits the lots EVERY other manufacturer will have their next gen products out making the mediocre 2017+ Impreza interior feel even worse. Hell, Subaru might even have their next gen Impreza out by then too. The final nail in the coffin is when the next gen STI still has the EJ257. Then Subaru comes out and claims the EJ is better than whatever other motor because it excelled in motorsports 30 years ago and continues to brag about the success they had a generation ago while not innovating anything since then. Kind of reminds me of Cowboys fans bragging about super bowl victories from a bygone era despite not being relevant since then... |
|
07-09-2018, 10:52 PM | #49 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:'20 Ascent '15 XTerra P4X |
|
07-10-2018, 04:20 AM | #50 | |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 340330
Join Date: Dec 2012
Vehicle:2015 WRX WRB |
Quote:
The hardcore guys will say they don't buy the wrx/sti for its interior or even styling. But as some of us get older these cars need to get more mature in some areas too. Funnily enough performance is stagnant (STI) or even slower than before (Wrx) so it's not like they are compromising on interior, refinement and tech to give us better performance..... Current RS had 350 hp so you know the rumours of 400 can't be too far off. Rumoured 400 hp golf R can't be far off the mark either as they will want to compete with RS after getting spanked this time around with only 300hp. New gti will be a cracker I'm sure. New focus st already seen testing. Civic type r is a beast and spanks the sti even though its "only" fwd..... What you got Subaru? Especially for all those wanting a world class STI again? Maybe the competition has us sorted.... |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|