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Old 09-16-2020, 11:28 AM   #301
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minus the hybrid version, it's appears to be a redsport engine in a reskinned 370z chassis; so nothing particularly new, although I believe the Q50/60 redsport was NOT available with a manual.

Right, I understand it's not a fresh platform but this looks like it will address some/all of the issues with the gen 5 which i felt was somewhat underwhelming. On paper looks solid for what I want: better engine, updated interior, not crazy over-styled and manual transmission.

Edit: will definitely be interested if they can tweak the platform a bit to make it handle better or if they chose to keep it more of a grand touring.
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:53 AM   #302
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Man, with these side by sides it's amazing to see how much larger this is than the original. Why is this so big?
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:59 AM   #303
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So it's almost exactly the same size of the 350Z



I was hoping they would have downsized it a bit to save weight.

300 lbs would have made a huge difference in the FM based cars

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/0J...tsun-240z1.jpg
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:04 PM   #304
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Oh my! Good job Nissan, I was definitely skeptical and jaded by all the rumors, but you really delivered on this one. That is one handsome, clean, car. Go ahead and keep the auto in the Supra, Toyota, I believe Nissan has my attention now.
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:19 PM   #305
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Man, with these side by sides it's amazing to see how much larger this is than the original. Why is this so big?
You mean, why was the original so small? Some people can't even fit in the classic version.
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:27 PM   #306
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:28 PM   #307
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Man, with these side by sides it's amazing to see how much larger this is than the original. Why is this so big?
What hasn't grown significantly larger over the years? Cars have grown, so have the people buying them.
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Old 09-16-2020, 12:32 PM   #308
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Tires that are twice as wide and five inches taller in diameter is going to necessitate some more width and it's not like all the additional safety structures take up zero space.

I was actually surprised how close in length the new Z is to the old one.
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Old 09-16-2020, 01:15 PM   #309
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You mean, why was the original so small? Some people can't even fit in the classic version.

, touche'. I guess that's another way of looking at it. I have a friend that used to have either a 260 or 280Z. He's over 6' 2' and I never heard him complaining about fitting. In fact , I even asked him about it once because he has long legs. Said he was totally able to stretch out his legs. He is skinny though, so maybe you're referring to width?

Also, not trying to come across all negative. The interior looks great. I like the gauges from what I could see of them. They appear to be digital; which if that is the case, I hope that they make the resolution/processing speed/whatever quick enough so there's no bloody delay in the display. I don't think I heard any sound bites of the prototype since I logged off early. I know the 3.0 TT in the Q60 can sound great with aftermarket exhaust. I hope they put some thought into engineering the sound that this thing makes from the factory.
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Oh my! Good job Nissan, I was definitely skeptical and jaded by all the rumors, but you really delivered on this one. That is one handsome, clean, car. Go ahead and keep the auto in the Supra, Toyota, I believe Nissan has my attention now.

Same. Do we have any members who have insight into what the TT V6 is capable of in the aftermarket? I know it's in the Infiniti vehicles. 400 HP. I'm just curious about DP, or TBE, etc, and what the internals are like. Forged crank, rods, or pistons? Very interested. I know it's an aluminum block for weight savings.

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Old 09-16-2020, 01:33 PM   #311
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You mean, why was the original so small? Some people can't even fit in the classic version.
Totally disagree. The original 240 was praised for its ability to size Americans as the car was made for our market from day one. I am almost 6 feet and I can still scoot the seat back more with my legs stretched out. The 240 was a packaging masterpiece.
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Found the forum and digging. I saw "JB4" and smiled.

https://www.infinitiq50.org/threads/...e-page.124743/
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Isnt this 5" longer than the 350/370?
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Isnt this 5" longer than the 350/370?
Supposedly the same length as the new Supra, so I think so.
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Old 09-16-2020, 02:39 PM   #315
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Supposedly the same length as the new Supra.
I guess I will be keeping my eye on this one then
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Old 09-16-2020, 02:42 PM   #316
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Totally disagree. The original 240 was praised for its ability to size Americans as the car was made for our market from day one. I am almost 6 feet and I can still scoot the seat back more with my legs stretched out. The 240 was a packaging masterpiece.
I'm 5'-10", I fit in everything, that stated - modern iterations, that tend to be significantly larger dimensionally, are far more cramped than classic stuff, primarily due to safety.
case in point - my first gen mustang feels absolutely cavernous compared to my brother-in-laws S550 Richard Petty Mustang.
Admittedly the S550 wheelbase is nearly the same, but the S550 is 7" wider. Adults with legs can sit in my back seats, his? only amputees & small children in the back, legs might fit in his trunk though, meanwhile I can fit a family of four in my trunk.

ND Miata is the only car I can think of that has hit the reset button on size and weight.
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Old 09-16-2020, 02:45 PM   #317
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OT: You know, it's funny. The other day I passed a 370Z convertible going down the freeway. sans top. I must say that it looked pretty dang good. I usually don't like the rear end on the 370's but this one has some subtle mods done to it and it really improved the look of it. It may have had a duckbill on the rear and some non stock wheels. Hard to rememebr exactly since I was also trying to check out the girl driving it.
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Old 09-16-2020, 03:10 PM   #318
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It's not as bad as I thought it was going to be, based on the renderings. But I don't think it's anything good.
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The 2020 INFINITI Q60 3.0t RED SPORT 400 starts at $58k and weighs 3,882 to 4,047 lbs. If the price of the 400z is kept under $45k, and the weight kept around the 370z of 3,250 lbs, or even at least under 3500 lbs, this should be a performance bargain. The weight difference combined with a more focused driver's car vs. premium car setting, as well as using a manual trans should quell some of these gripes of the Q60 Red Sport 400 from Motor Trend a while back:

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The best part—and an important one—about the Infiniti is the engine. The 400-hp twin-turbo V-6 is strong and responsive, providing quick acceleration. However, the coupe's chassis has a hard time keeping up with the engine. "It feels very sporty driven to about eight-tenths, but after that it all starts to fall apart," Angus MacKenzie said.

Infiniti's Direct Adaptive Steering system felt very unnatural, unpredictable, even downright diabolical. "You could be going the same exact speed on the same exact surface and make the same exact steering movement, and the car would react differently each time," Christian Seabaugh said.

Added Alisa Priddle: "Acceleration is abrupt, snaps your head back into your seat. The brakes are also grabby and abrupt. Although I like visceral, this is too heavy-handed."

"You have a rear end that encourages shenanigans, but the steering can't keep up," Jonny Lieberman said. "Rethink. Do over."
Underhood likely won't change much with the 400z...



Side profile comparisons. Wheelbase of the Q60 is 112.2 inches and wheelbase of the 370z is 100.4 inches.






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Old 09-16-2020, 04:26 PM   #320
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That infiniti coupe was ugly from day one. The 370Z looked Droopy to me. I actually like the this new 400Z the best out of all the Z's since the Z32
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That infiniti coupe was ugly from day one. The 370Z looked Droopy to me. I actually like the this new 400Z the best out of all the Z's since the Z32
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:07 PM   #322
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[...]The core structure of the 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine weighs 429.5 pounds (194.8 kg) – 39.1 pounds (14.1 kg) less than the engine it replaces. The new turbocharger and advanced intercooler (or CAC) system componentry adds just an extra 56.9 pounds (25.8 kg), for 486.3 pounds (220.6 kg) total.[...]
https://www.infinitiusa.com/infiniti...v6-engine.html

Interesting tidbit; supposedly, the V6TT (including turbos and intercooler system) is only about 17 lbs heavier than the N/A 3.7L.
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:23 PM   #323
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If weight doesn't kill it, and if the chassis can handle the power, and if the steering response is decent they have a home run, especially if price is kept under control by utilizing existing engine and other parts. We already knew it was going to be a parts bin special to some degree. C&D indicated that the Nissan brass were more focused on driver involvement and engagement than numbers or lap times. That's a damn good sign. I'm tired of all this ring time bs as well as VIR or any other track. Is it fun to drive? Is it engaging? Is it communicative? If the answer is yes, you did good.
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You nailed it Pre, my thoughts exactly.
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It looks fine, but I still hate the flat brim hat and I really hate the floating windows. Every car I've had that doesn't have a frame surrounding the window feels like the door is going to fall to pieces when I close it, or it has that little annoying window actuation thing that I feel like just prematurely wears parts out.

I want to see one with a big wang on the back, and I want to see some numbers, but call me slightly less cautious and more optimistic than before.
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