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Old 11-26-2021, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default Famous Money Manager RIGHT NOW Predicts DISASTER For Ford And GM In Next 5-10

Market-darling money manager Cathie Wood, head of Ark Investments and an inveterate bull on Tesla (TSLA) - Get Tesla Inc Report, offers a dire forecast for fellow automakers General Motors (GM) - Get General Motors Company (GM) Report and Ford (F) - Get Ford Motor Company Report.

"It's going to be awfully difficult for those companies to manage during the next five to 10 years," Wood she told Barron's.

"And we would bet that they will not be alive in their current state. They may be in combination with someone else, or they may go bankrupt."



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'It's going to be awfully difficult for [GM and Ford] to manage during the next five to 10 years,' investment manager Cathie Wood told Barron's.

Market-darling money manager Cathie Wood, head of Ark Investments and an inveterate bull on Tesla (TSLA) - Get Tesla Inc Report, offers a dire forecast for fellow automakers General Motors (GM) - Get General Motors Company (GM) Report and Ford (F) - Get Ford Motor Company Report.

"It's going to be awfully difficult for those companies to manage during the next five to 10 years," Wood she told Barron's.

"And we would bet that they will not be alive in their current state. They may be in combination with someone else, or they may go bankrupt."

Other investors apparently disagree. GM stock has gained 11% in the past month, and Ford has surged 27% amid optimism about their ability to compete with Tesla. That company's shares soared 29% in the past month.

General Motors vehicles are of the best quality and design in decades," he wrote last month. "A competitive lineup in all segments, combined with a much smaller cost base, says to us that GM is starting to realize the scale to match its size."

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Old 11-27-2021, 06:28 PM   #2
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I made good money in her ARKK etf last year and dumped it earlier this year. So far her ARKK etf is negative on the year so I'd question her assumption. Is it possible? Sure. But the gasoline / diesel powered truck market is still damn strong and EV's are rolling out. I'd hate to see how her innovation etf would be doing if she didn't have a large position of the portfolio in Tesla (granted she has sold a decent amount).
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:35 PM   #3
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I'm still curious to see if America can stand up to all the stupid spending that is going around for the past 12 years. We keep trying to spend our way out of debt and shutting things down at the same time. I'm not sure we will even handle a second shut down that could happen if the talking heads feel its necessary.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:44 PM   #4
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I'm still curious to see if America can stand up to all the stupid spending that is going around for the past 12 years. We keep trying to spend our way out of debt and shutting things down at the same time. I'm not sure we will even handle a second shut down that could happen if the talking heads feel its necessary.
Another variant has just hit. Until people, especially Muricans, can understand the necessary steps to put this behind us, itís never going to end. If people would have been hardcore, this would have been over a year ago this time. Idjuts.
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Step 1: Just go on as we did before.
Step 2: Ignore Branch Covidians.
Step 3: Profit.
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Old 11-28-2021, 03:59 PM   #6
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I think she's been sniffing too many of Elon's farts. The F150 pretty well guarantees that Ford will be one of the last companies standing. It's comfortably the top selling vehicle in North America year in and year out. Also the Mach E is a nice start and once Ford starts producing EV versions of the F series they will sit in a comfortable spot. GM on the other hand will probably face harder times but they still sell a lot of trucks. Trucks will probably keep the domestics viable long term.
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Step 1: Just go on as we did before.
Step 2: Ignore Branch Covidians.
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A different world when you are first up at the podium for the Eulogy staring at a coffin.

Ignore is why we have had all these deaths the past 2 years, why things have been shut down. The reality is people cannot handle anything different than their convenience based lives.
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Another variant has just hit. Until people, especially Muricans, can understand the necessary steps to put this behind us, itís never going to end. If people would have been hardcore, this would have been over a year ago this time. Idjuts.
You are completely off the mark here bud and I am not even joking. Covid is NEVER EVER going away. You cannot destroy a disease that keeps mutating and you cannot make vaccinations that are worth anything every 3 months. The only way out of this is a slow build up of natural immunity. Even then it will still claim lives every day.

With all the research in the world we still have 50k deaths from the plain old flu in the USA. Expect similar from Covid as people catch it and recover and are more able to handle the disease.

Covid is here to stay. You cannot cure it, or eradicate it. There is absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop it. All current Vaccines (including the one I was forced to get) lose efficacy in 6 months, so unless you plan to travel with a needle in your arm, Covid is part of your future and mine and all of us.

My advice is to keep washing your hands, and live your life as you want to. One day you will get it, and it will probably be big nothing according to the numbers. Some people will get it and will work with other symptoms and it will claim lives.

There is no money in curing anything. There is only money in selling the endless vaccines that at the end of the day do little to nothing and wear off.

Big Pharma loves this disease more than any other. It is a license to print money.
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Old 11-29-2021, 02:14 PM   #9
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Old 11-29-2021, 02:16 PM   #10
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Cathie is a little bit of crazy. I understand liking tesla, but man, the valuation is bonkers. It reflects the hype around the brand. But things with lots of hype typically fall eventually. What's going to cause them to fall? Maybe better competition. Maybe stagnation... Maybe a combination of both? The fact that the Model S hasn't had anything more than a minor facelift over 9 years, with no update in the foreseeable future definitely points to stagnation when compared to the rest of the auto industry that updates cars every 5 years or so.

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You are completely off the mark here bud and I am not even joking.
The immunity from the vaccine wanes over time. The immunity from natural infection and recovery also wanes over time. The risk of long-term illness or death is a lot higher from one of those two things. Good talk.
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Old 11-29-2021, 02:58 PM   #11
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vaccine never gave any immunity. First fallacy.

It just lessened the severity of symptoms. In fact it should have never been called a vaccine as it implies immunity... which it never gave.
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I think she's been sniffing too many of Elon's farts. The F150 pretty well guarantees that Ford will be one of the last companies standing. It's comfortably the top selling vehicle in North America year in and year out. Also the Mach E is a nice start and once Ford starts producing EV versions of the F series they will sit in a comfortable spot. GM on the other hand will probably face harder times but they still sell a lot of trucks. Trucks will probably keep the domestics viable long term.
Sadly Ford doesn't make money on the cars that they sell but on their loans. If there is some kind of economy collapse and people start defaulting on their loans they would be screwed.

I have been thinking about adding some GM and short it to stay delta neutral just incase and idea from someone else.

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Cathie is a little bit of crazy. I understand liking tesla, but man, the valuation is bonkers. It reflects the hype around the brand. But things with lots of hype typically fall eventually. What's going to cause them to fall? Maybe better competition. Maybe stagnation... Maybe a combination of both? The fact that the Model S hasn't had anything more than a minor facelift over 9 years, with no update in the foreseeable future definitely points to stagnation when compared to the rest of the auto industry that updates cars every 5 years or so.


The immunity from the vaccine wanes over time. The immunity from natural infection and recovery also wanes over time. The risk of long-term illness or death is a lot higher from one of those two things. Good talk.
The current Model S is nothing like the Model S from 9 years, suspension, motor, battery, cooling systems, electrical systems, on board computers, interior, interface etc etc are all different. If you order a Model S right now you have to wait until June to get it. Maybe that's why Tesla margins are so high compared to rest of the industry? because they don't see a need to change the skin much.

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vaccine never gave any immunity. First fallacy.

It just lessened the severity of symptoms. In fact it should have never been called a vaccine as it implies immunity... which it never gave.
What would you define the covid-19 vaccine as, if not as a vaccine then?

"Vaccines work by stimulating your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first." -https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sease%20first.

This is exactly what the Covid-19 vaccine does, it prevents the majority of people from getting the disease, by triggering an immune system response. When people are exposed to a different strain than they were vaccinated against, if they contract the virus, they have milder symptoms than if they weren't vaccinated at all.

Unvaccinated people that have gotten covid-19 are also not immune to getting it again when the virus mutates.

viruses change and mutate at varying rates. There hasn't been a case of Polio reported in the US for ~30 years; combatting a slow mutating virus with an aggressive vaccination campaign is a lot easier than combatting a comparatively rapidly mutating virus, when half the country refuses to get vaccinated and take preventative measures.

The flu vaccine is a vaccine formulated from a particular strain, again, Influenza is a rapidly mutating virus. It isn't 100% effective for many reasons
- mutation
- sanitation
- exposure
- how many people get vaccinated

If you want to be a stickler for definitions; you weren't forced to get a vaccine, you were given a choice - I'm guessing "get vaccinated or be fired" and you made your choice.

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vaccine never gave any immunity. First fallacy.

It just lessened the severity of symptoms. In fact it should have never been called a vaccine as it implies immunity... which it never gave.
The first fallacy lies in your assumption that all vaccines provide sterilizing immunity.

google it. learn.
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What would you define the covid-19 vaccine as, if not as a vaccine then?

"Vaccines work by stimulating your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first." -https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sease%20first.

This is exactly what the Covid-19 vaccine does, it prevents the majority of people from getting the disease, by triggering an immune system response. When people are exposed to a different strain than they were vaccinated against, if they contract the virus, they have milder symptoms than if they weren't vaccinated at all.

Unvaccinated people that have gotten covid-19 are also not immune to getting it again when the virus mutates.

viruses change and mutate at varying rates. There hasn't been a case of Polio reported in the US for ~30 years; combatting a slow mutating virus with an aggressive vaccination campaign is a lot easier than combatting a comparatively rapidly mutating virus, when half the country refuses to get vaccinated and take preventative measures.

The flu vaccine is a vaccine formulated from a particular strain, again, Influenza is a rapidly mutating virus. It isn't 100% effective for many reasons
- mutation
- sanitation
- exposure
- how many people get vaccinated

If you want to be a stickler for definitions; you weren't forced to get a vaccine, you were given a choice - I'm guessing "get vaccinated or be fired" and you made your choice.

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You guessed right. Not much of a choice is it. If the virus is infinitely mutatable vaccine today means nothing tomorrow. Half the country being vaccinated means nothing either. The Virus mutates faster than anything be made to fight it.

Nothing I said is wrong

Covid is here to stay. Nothing anybody can do to stop it. Just move on stop blaming anybody for anything as it does. It matter since
Nothing could have
Been done to stop after it got out of the lab.

Thread was about GM failing and Ford as well

Doubt it
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Nice. This thread will get locked. Stop the count!
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In before the thread lock.

Oh, and upvote to Scrappy
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You guessed right. Not much of a choice is it. If the virus is infinitely mutatable vaccine today means nothing tomorrow. Half the country being vaccinated means nothing either. The Virus mutates faster than anything be made to fight it.

Nothing I said is wrong

Covid is here to stay. Nothing anybody can do to stop it. Just move on stop blaming anybody for anything as it does. It matter since
Nothing could have
Been done to stop after it got out of the lab.

Thread was about GM failing and Ford as well

Doubt it
If it lessens the symptoms why did you feel forced to take it? Did they make you pay for it? It was free for me and lessened symptoms is a good thing.
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You are completely off the mark here bud and I am not even joking. Covid is NEVER EVER going away. You cannot destroy a disease that keeps mutating and you cannot make vaccinations that are worth anything every 3 months. The only way out of this is a slow build up of natural immunity. Even then it will still claim lives every day.

With all the research in the world we still have 50k deaths from the plain old flu in the USA. Expect similar from Covid as people catch it and recover and are more able to handle the disease.

Covid is here to stay. You cannot cure it, or eradicate it. There is absolutely NOTHING you can do to stop it. All current Vaccines (including the one I was forced to get) lose efficacy in 6 months, so unless you plan to travel with a needle in your arm, Covid is part of your future and mine and all of us.

My advice is to keep washing your hands, and live your life as you want to. One day you will get it, and it will probably be big nothing according to the numbers. Some people will get it and will work with other symptoms and it will claim lives.

There is no money in curing anything. There is only money in selling the endless vaccines that at the end of the day do little to nothing and wear off.

Big Pharma loves this disease more than any other. It is a license to print money.
Really? I had no idea

I had Covid in December 2019 dude. I was one step away from the hospital, especially the last week before I started getting better. I eat like a nutritionist tells their patients to eat and train like an athlete too. One step away. Coughing myself awake in the middle of the night, deepest coughs of my life, that wouldn't stop, for 45 minutes. I was lucky to get 3 hours of sleep a night. It was a nightmare. If the ER was 100%, I was at 90-95%.

Got vaccinated, then got the Delta variant a few months later from a 23 year old thot. My fault too, as the Covid drought got me and I saw a 23 year old in a bikini on the lake while on my PWC. A stunner, I fell victim and paid for it, dearly. Even vaccinated, Delta f'd me up. That was last summer and I'm still struggling to get more than 4-5 hours sleep a night. The first few months after, 3 hours of sleep a night. And I was sick, just not as bad as it would have been without the vaccine. It was still flu turf.

You aren't telling or typing anything we all don't know already bud. My comments reflect our dip**** society. One, we need to follow the Japanese model of decades. You sick? Sneezing, coughing, whatever? For your fellow Americans, wear a got damn mask in public, period. I don't care what you are doing, going to work, shopping, whatever, wear a f'in mask. And if you know you are sick, stay the F home. We all know it's not going away. We all know more people will die. People are just complete idiots here with no got damn sense. Practice caution. Wash your got damn hands. Wear a mask in public if you show any symptoms whatsoever. I'm far from the idiot walking their dog outside with a mask on. I was in my gym in June 2020, every night, after their 6 weeks closure and never got the damn thing again until the thot came over to my house. The problem is we have people who have got the stick and say "OMG'd, it's over, I can go back to normal". No dummy, you still need to exercise caution.

The closures, all that crap, won't get any disagreement out of me. But the problem is our society, norms, and behaviors. They need to change. Last week in the gym there were 2 different idiots. Sneezing, blowing their noses, no masks on, I'm like dude we are all f'd. For over a decade, I've worn a mask if I thought I was remotely sick. Instead of hitting the gym at 5-6pm, I'd go at 11pm. I'd wear a mask. I'd sanitize my hands religiously, and I wipe down my gear before and after, covid, pre-covid, sick or 100% healthy. We are just a nation of idiots. People no longer have the capacity to think rationally and they certainly only care about themselves, nobody else.
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The problem is we have people who have got the stick and say "OMG'd, it's over, I can go back to normal". No dummy, you still need to exercise caution.
I mean, in their defense, that's basically what the government told them. Get your shot, take your masks off, go back to normal life. Then they realized that wasn't the case, and that the "efficiency" of the vaccine was probably less than what the manufacturers wanted to tout.

Honestly, I think the biggest problem is the messaging that comes with all of it. Take for example the comment above suggesting that this thing shouldn't even be called a vaccine simply because it doesn't provide sterilizing immunity. The general public doesn't understand these things, so when they hear about people still getting sick after getting a vaccine, all of the sudden they toss the baby out with the bath water. They don't understand that basically no vaccine provides sterilizing immunity, and they all have a relative effectiveness. This vaccine still has a pretty good effectiveness when compared to other vaccines like the flu, which hovers around 50% every year. They just know that the word immunity implies that it's impossible to catch something without realizing that in the medical community, that's not what immunity means, or what vaccines are intended to do.

Combine that with the fact that so much messaging about things like distancing and masks has been to "protect others". But now, the vaccine is more about "protect yourself". And people just can't seem to get beyond the fact that these things have two completely different outcomes. They struggle to understand that masks mostly protect others while vaccines mostly protect you.

However, during some late-night drinking with buddies, we all started discussing some of our old highschool acquaintances and were quickly reminded that not everyone was the brightest crayon in the box, and those same people are still active members in society. Coincidentally, those not-so-bright crayons tend to be the ones I see on social media posting up conspiracy theories and anti-vax/mask lies. Similarly, not every doctor out there was top of their class - so maybe instead of latching onto that one rando doctor who confirms your bias, look for the middle of the road opinion, because that's likely closer to the truth.


to make this post somehow relevant... stock prices are going to be bonkers for a while because of all of this. People are spending less, saving more, and are bored so they're reading social media and getting hyped up on things like Tesla, Bitcoin, etc. They all think they will become the next roaring kitty. Cathie is tied up in that world. Just because meme stocks are doing well doesn't mean that other players are somehow going bankrupt. But in her world, they are because they're not hot **** bubbles.

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Fluvoxamine the water supply and buy bitcoin.
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....Got vaccinated, then got the Delta variant a few months later from a 23 year old thot. My fault too, as the Covid drought got me and I saw a 23 year old in a bikini on the lake while on my PWC. A stunner, I fell victim and paid for it, dearly.
need more useless details that have ZERO to do with rant.....Did you two go get tested together? convalesce together? what were her measurements? how long did you go for? how may Big OOOOOs did she have? How much did she love you? How many times did you "hit it"? Is she still infatuated with you?

p.s.: stay away from Ho's



time to lock this bznatch up!!




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HTBS successor, walls of masturbatory text .......
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I just want to say that I miss HTBS. Or I miss the idea of HTBS. Or the memory?
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I am convinced HTBS has come back under different name since then. Nighthawk may be him or his twin brother.
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need more useless details that have ZERO to do with rant.....Did you two go get tested together? convalesce together? what were her measurements? how long did you go for? how may Big OOOOOs did she have? How much did she love you? How many times did you "hit it"? Is she still infatuated with you?
Interesting comments given this is a deadly virus, millions have died world wide. And that I lost my only family member to it. First up at the Eulogy a year ago now. So your comical nature is pathetic, poorly timed as well. Maybe you haven't had anyone die around you to it. Kudos. Not the case for many of us. My family member showed first symptoms on a Saturday and was dead 15 days later. Two weeks on the ventilator fighting for her life in agony. No visitation allowed.

She said she was vaccinated and I believe her. But she's young, and thought that hey I had my two sticks, it's all over, like most of these dummies, so she is far from alone. She was an asymptomatic delta variant carrier. I hadn't been around anyone else, without the mask, the sanitizer etc bs. And it was quick after she was here. And no, she got ghosted, because she refused to go get a PCR. "I feel fine, I don't need it" But but, the PCR test is free, drive thru, etc. She wasn't hearing it so vaya con dios. I got really sick quick. Saw my PCP via teleconference, then PCR confirmed, and all my symptoms were blueprint Delta for someone that was vaccinated. It sucked. My life isn't worth some hot young ass.

You read that as some bragging deal? That's a reflection of yourself. Go have a hard look in the mirror. If anything it was commentary on the mistake I made, the foolishness, and to not let your guard down, for ANYTHING.

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