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Old 05-08-2020, 01:25 PM   #76
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Even if this Corolla GR were to be fitted with the entire drivetrain from the GR Yaris I am not interested. Too big of a car for this setup.
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If Subaru is going sedan again, and Toyota is offering an AWD hot hatch, the world will have truly turned in on itself.
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Old 05-08-2020, 02:27 PM   #78
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Compelling doesn't translate just because. You'd think Toyota would have learned from the 86 and Supra.
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Old 05-08-2020, 03:22 PM   #79
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Even if this Corolla GR were to be fitted with the entire drivetrain from the GR Yaris I am not interested. Too big of a car for this setup.
Just to get a GR Corolla to match the acceleration of the GR Yaris I'd estimate it would need another 60HP to cope with the portliness; that is of course ignoring all the other issues associated with the weight gain (handling, stopping distances, consumables, durability).

Unless they can cut 600lbs out of the GR Corolla Hatch to make it the same weight as the GR Yaris, or make the Corolla an honest too goodness STi fighter, it's just not going to be anything other than a slap in the face or salt in a wound from Toyota. For clarification I'm talking the speculated next gen STi on the SGP with an updated engine (FA24DIT), not the old chassis & EJ combo currently available.
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Old 05-08-2020, 03:44 PM   #80
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The lack of AWD is a bigger nut kick than the slightly higher weight/slower acceleration. There's clearly scope for a car that sits right in the middle of a Civic SI and Type R in the domain of price/performance/practicality.

The Corolla might be the car to plug that hole or it might be total ****. In either case, it's a lot less cool than the Yaris.
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Old 05-08-2020, 06:00 PM   #81
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Tepid hatch?
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Old 05-08-2020, 06:01 PM   #82
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The lack of AWD is a bigger nut kick than the slightly higher weight/slower acceleration.
Yeah, the world needs a 3500 lb Corolla.
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Old 05-08-2020, 06:45 PM   #83
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Speaking of Gazoo, couldn't figure this out until I read that it was suppose to be "Gazoh"

Gazoh means image/picture in Japanese.. they spelled using two o's instead of 'oh' at the end so now people pronounce it 'ga zoo' which sounds stupid. Like Impul.. which is pronouced 'Inparu' in Japan. Worse is Bride. 'buri doh' in Japanese.

Collora 'schittola' in Japanese. ok made that one up.
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And Impreza is impotenzaru
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Impreza = eemp-ree-zah

It means "destined to be slow".
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Old 05-09-2020, 10:49 AM   #86
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LOL'ed..

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Yeah, the world needs a 3500 lb Corolla.
Yes. The world does need more affordable manual sporty cars. You’d think that would be universal among enthusiasts.
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Speaking of Gazoo, couldn't figure this out until I read that it was suppose to be "Gazoh"

Gazoh means image/picture in Japanese.. they spelled using two o's instead of 'oh' at the end so now people pronounce it 'ga zoo' which sounds stupid. Like Impul.. which is pronouced 'Inparu' in Japan. Worse is Bride. 'buri doh' in Japanese.

Collora 'schittola' in Japanese. ok made that one up.
Japanese never ask a native speaker before making up English words. Results in some funny stuff.
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Compelling doesn't translate just because. You'd think Toyota would have learned from the 86 and Supra.

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Old 05-11-2020, 10:28 AM   #90
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My precious that I can’t have.
Yeah, if Americans were open to paying top dollar for tiny cars, you could've had yours. I remember buying a Cooper-S back 18 yrs ago and someone was surprised I paid ~$30K 'for that tiny thing'.

It had the JCW aero kit and some other options on there so it was a tad more than a normal Cooper-S, but to me it was all worth it.
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:40 AM   #91
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Even if this Corolla GR were to be fitted with the entire drivetrain from the GR Yaris I am not interested. Too big of a car for this setup.
How so? Wouldn't it match up well with what the WRX offers today?

Personally I hope that's precisely what they do.
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:43 AM   #92
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How so? Wouldn't it match up well with what the WRX offers today?

Personally I hope that's precisely what they do.
At 2800 lbs the 3 cyl would be comparable. Not in a 3400 lb car.
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Yeah, if Americans were open to paying top dollar for tiny cars, you could've had yours. I remember buying a Cooper-S back 18 yrs ago and someone was surprised I paid ~$30K 'for that tiny thing'.

It had the JCW aero kit and some other options on there so it was a tad more than a normal Cooper-S, but to me it was all worth it.

It's not a tiny car. A Smart car is a tiny car. Americans by and large are just fat, obesity is the #1 killer in the US now. That's why they buy large(r) vehicles. Miata is small, it's imported here, and sells. There literally is no excuse. Just some executives and marketing people at Toyo USA that should be fired.
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How so? Wouldn't it match up well with what the WRX offers today?

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At 2800 lbs the 3 cyl would be comparable. Not in a 3400 lb car.
A Corolla GR stock for stock it would be comparable to a WRX today. Once anyone starts to modify, that 1.6L I3 is going to have to work a lot harder to keep up with the FA20DIT and it already has to stock.

I don't want a car that is comparable to a WRX. I want a newer version of what they used to call a pocket rocket, like what they called a 2004 STI. It was a 300HP AWD Rally car for the street and weighed 3,263lbs. Toyota just built that with the GR Yaris, it was built and engineered from the ground up and it is similar in dimensions as the old GD STI. But now it weighs 400lbs less in hatch form, which has shorter overhangs with a longer wheel base than the GD STI.

This is why I don't want a bigger bloated ass Corolla. I would love it if Subaru would make another car the size of the GD WRX/STI. Yes bring them up with better interior and all of that, but these cars are getting too big.

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Old 05-27-2020, 07:04 PM   #95
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The only chance this has is there is very little competition in the AWD manual hatch segment.
I didn't think it would actually be AWD but am pleasantly surprised. That puts it in a bit of a league of its own; hatch, 6spd manual, AWD, turbo. I still have no interest in it as its a complete disappointment compared to the GR Yaris but someone in the WRX, GTI market would definitely shop this. Although I don't see that it's officially official anywhere.

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Toyota's confirmation that the GR Yaris won't be sold stateside disappointed many American car nerds, but you know that saying about dark clouds and silver linings? It applies here because Toyota has indicated that there's still a hot hatch coming to the United States, one reportedly based on the Corolla Hatchback—and one allegedly borrowing the best part of the GR Yaris: Its drivetrain.

In a wrap-up of new sports cars expected to launch by the end of 2021, Japan's Best Car reports that the GR Yaris's launch later this year will be followed up by the reveal of a model called the Corolla Sport GRMN—not the GR Corolla as we've speculatively called it. Their report corroborates rumors that the caliente Corolla will be powered by the same 1.6-liter turbo-three found in the GR Yaris, in a state of tune producing up to 268 horsepower and 273 pound-feet of torque. Toyota reportedly won't limit the shared parts to the GR Yaris's engine, either; the Corolla Sport GRMN will reportedly mirror its smaller sibling by also offering a six-speed manual transmission and all-wheel drive.

If you're interested in such a drivetrain but for some reason don't want to be seen behind the wheel of a Corolla Hatchback, rumors suggest in February that the GR Yaris' drivetrain will resurface in at least one other model. That model, however, is reportedly expected to be the next generation C-HR, which will reportedly launch by the end of 2021, and whose GR variant is expected in 2022. That was before COVID-19 rocked the automotive industry, though, so don't be too surprised if Toyota delays all its forthcoming GR products by a few months.

We're just happy to finally get a rally-inspired Toyota hatch—it's been a long time coming.
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Isn't the Corolla hatch significantly larger than a Yaris? The point why we are interested in this 3 door is because of its small demeanor.. if AWD and power is what we just want out of a sports compact, I already have 3 of them... and one is a boxy hatch. STI/WRX/Golf-R. I don't need another one.
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Just like they did with the WRX, a minimum 400 lbs must be added to sell here.
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Weight will kill it. Larger and heavier car needs more power. They'll chintz and won't include the front and rear diffs. That along with the three cylinder with added weight = bull ****.
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I didn't think it would actually be AWD but am pleasantly surprised. That puts it in a bit of a league of its own; hatch, 6spd manual, AWD, turbo. I still have no interest in it as its a complete disappointment compared to the GR Yaris but someone in the WRX, GTI market would definitely shop this. Although I don't see that it's officially official anywhere.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33678/...ual-awd-report
do they race a Corolla in WRC
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do they race a Corolla in WRC
No, a Yaris, which is what triggered this entire domino effect. They wanted to make major changes to their Yaris WRC car but the changes were so drastic that the FIA told them they would have to re-homologate the updated car for entry in competition by building and selling 25,000 of them. So they put the GR Yaris together.



It has a 1.6l 3cyl turbo engine and AWD, both of which are passed down to this beefed up Corolla to spread the R&D and production costs out over more models with the same parts while throwing the US half a bone for not bringing the proper FIA homologation car over.
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