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Old 04-23-2021, 11:54 AM   #126
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The corolla looks awful. Would never consider based on that alone.

It's a unique engine and drivetrain setup, but not in that package. nope nope nope.
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At the end of the day where this all leads is the Golf-R in the USA. I'd just get another Golf-R (Mk8) if I want another hatch and just start and end at the top.
I'd guess the Golf R will be $5-6k more. There's tons of people who won't buy a VW so there's plenty of room for both cars. Type R might also be $41-42k. Toyota would score a coup if it comes in at $37k or below w/ 300 hp and AWD.

I'd love to have the choice - if the GR 'rolla gets a widebody kit, diffs and hardware from the GR4, and is half as fun as the GR4 reportedly is, I'll be very tempted.

And if Lexus makes a 6mT version, I'd be first in line.
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:16 PM   #128
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The corolla looks awful. Would never consider based on that alone.

It's a unique engine and drivetrain setup, but not in that package. nope nope nope.
I actually prefer the look of the sedan, but would hate to pick a sedan over hatch for looks.

In my Si's case, I picked it cause there's no Si hatch.
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:10 PM   #129
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The transmission is a 6-speed MT with a gripping mechanism that adjusts the engine speed after shifting, and the drive system is followed by a system that switches the front-rear torque distribution to three modes from GR Yaris.

Although the maximum output exceeds GR Yaris, the Corolla seems to be slightly inferior in the measurement time in the in-house test. Instead, the GR Corolla seems to shine in terms of cost performance in terms of price.

The non circuit pack equipped GR4 has the drive modes. So if these articles are remotely accurate at this price point, it won't have the front and rear Torsen diffs. They seem to be focusing on "value" so the diffs being an option, well I don't know anything until it's released but seems unlikely. Here's hope to this being the collaboration between Subaru and I hope the f'er will take the 2.4L.
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Old 04-23-2021, 04:34 PM   #130
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The corolla looks awful. Would never consider based on that alone.

It's a unique engine and drivetrain setup, but not in that package. nope nope nope.
IMO the Corolla hatch is one of the better looking cars in the segment.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:25 PM   #131
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The non circuit pack equipped GR4 has the drive modes. So if these articles are remotely accurate at this price point, it won't have the front and rear Torsen diffs. They seem to be focusing on "value" so the diffs being an option, well I don't know anything until it's released but seems unlikely. Here's hope to this being the collaboration between Subaru and I hope the f'er will take the 2.4L.
Would be awesome if its optional but I think no chance of that. US market doesn't get that kind of good stuff.
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Old 04-23-2021, 06:48 PM   #132
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IMO the Corolla hatch is one of the better looking cars in the segment.
to each their own. The sedan rear end is decent looking, better than any subaru ever produced. But the front end is just wonky. Don't like the headlight setup at all.
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:07 PM   #133
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IMO the Corolla hatch is one of the better looking cars in the segment.
Totally agree on this the
New Corolla is the best looking compact sedan the US gets
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Old 04-23-2021, 09:08 PM   #134
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Count me in for fanboi-ing over the new Corolla, sedan and hatchback.
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Old 04-24-2021, 08:11 PM   #135
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I actually prefer the look of the sedan, but would hate to pick a sedan over hatch for looks.

I'm of similar opinion. Same applies to the current Mazda 3. Also prefer hot hatches in 3 door configuration (FoRS and WRX excepted).

Still pissed the US market gets this, because Toyota could easily give the Yaris GR 4 the same engine specification (in a smaller, lighter chassis) and we're left with the Corolla as the consolation prize.
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:29 PM   #136
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I also like the look of the new Corolla
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I also like the higher trim fascia of the corolla and was upset that my slowrolla hybrid came with the base front. But it has grown on me.

I do like that hatch... it has a much smaller presence than the sedan and the rear leg room reflects that. But considering how many people don't mind the Yaris size, the corolla hatch would be great in GR form especially with that rumoured level of power.

Now will Toyota pick the sedan over the hatch for GR treatment? We'll see... I have a feeling it will be the sedan, though.
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Old 04-26-2021, 11:18 AM   #138
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Now will Toyota pick the sedan over the hatch for GR treatment? We'll see... I have a feeling it will be the sedan, though.
I'm fairly certain it will be a hatchback since that's what they state on the Toyota website?

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/
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I'm fairly certain it will be a hatchback since that's what they state on the Toyota website?

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/
Oh I clearly missed all of that. Thanks...Very interesting. This should be fun. I know everyone is drooling over the GR Yaris, myself included, but with the size of the Corolla hatch + power bump over the Yaris to compensate for a bit more weight, it should still be fun... and more useful than a Yaris’ interior.
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I'm fairly certain it will be a hatchback since that's what they state on the Toyota website?

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/
And most likely a GR Corolla will be offered in other markets where hatches are preferred.
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Toyota GR Corolla set to outmuscle Golf R

Long-awaited Toyota hot hatch has Volkswagen Golf R in its sights, but count on $60K starting price.

When the tyre-scorching Toyota GR Corolla finally breaks cover, expect fireworks.

Set to be revealed next year after lengthy delays, the 2022 Toyota GR Corolla will be the most powerful version of the world’s best-selling car and is set to offer a similar, if not higher, output to the upcoming 235kW/420Nm Volkswagen Golf R.

That’s the word from an inside source, who told carsales the potent new hot hatch will be a bona-fide performance car.

“It wouldn’t surprise me if it had more power than the Golf R,” said our source, who wouldn’t be drawn on specific numbers.



It’s a full GR model, not a GR Sport, and it’s going to have some punch. GR Corolla will get more power than the GR Yaris to match its rivals.”

The Toyota GR Corolla’s mechanical beating heart will be an enhanced version of the Toyota GR Yaris’ bespoke 1.6-litre three-cylinder turbo-petrol engine (200kW/370Nm) that drives all four wheels.

It’s likely the uprated engine will be revealed under the bonnet of the GRMN Yaris next year.

A Toyota engineer previously stated that the bespoke 1.6-litre turbo-triple built by Gazoo Racing could easily reach 225kW/400Nm with only subtle ECU and exhaust tuning.



Beyond the modified powertrain and driveline, it’s not clear what other elements of the GR Yaris the banzai Corolla will adopt, but it won’t be cheap.

Contradicting intel from Japan suggesting a sub-$50,000 price that undercuts the GR Yaris, our source was confident the GR Corolla would cost more, implying that pricing could be set around the $60,000 mark – especially if an up-spec Rallye model is offered.

Like the new Volkswagen Golf R, a drift mode may also be offered thanks to its clever AWD system that can shunt almost all engine power to the rear axle in certain situations.

Together with unique suspension, bigger wheels, low-profile tyres and powerful brakes, not to mention several aerodynamic improvements and potentially a wide body kit, the new Toyota GR Corolla will finally bring some street cred to the world’s top-selling nameplate.

Topping 50 million global sales since it was introduced in 1966, the Toyota Corolla is offered as a hatch, sedan and wagon, but our source couldn’t provide intel on which body styles would get the GR treatment beyond the hatch.


Image: BestCar render

The Toyota GR Corolla was first (inadvertently) confirmed by Toyota USA via its official website in May 2020, and Toyota has since trademarked the GR Corolla name.

While Toyota Australia has not divulged any details of the upcoming hot hatch, it has all but confirmed it will come to Australia – but probably not until 2023 given the car’s expected premiere later next year.

“Australia loves hot hatches and we’ve always shown an interest in offering a high-performance Corolla locally, I’ll tell you that up front,” Toyota Australia’s sales and marketing chief, Sean Hanley, last told

“While nothing has been officially confirmed on GR Corolla at this time, I can tell you quite categorically, if one were to become available from our global line-up in right-hand drive we’d be most definitely very keen to bring it here.”
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Americans will be extremely hard-pressed to spend $60k on a Corolla. As much as I'm mostly-excited for this GR Corolla, I was expecting mid-$30k, not double that. There reaches a point where it doesn't matter how much performance you throw at it. If the price is out of reach because the performance is out of reach, then the average consumer is out of reach as well.
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I think this article is Australia-centric, where a VW GTI starts at over $50,000. So would put the GR Corolla in a place to potentially undercut the STI - something around or slightly above the WRX. Which is where I think it should go. Probably low to mid $30k range in US.

*edit* Re-reading, if they're saying this will be full fledged GR Corolla, 1. I bet we won't get that and 2. If we did, yeah it would probably be well into the $40's
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That article sounds like total BS to me.
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I think this article is Australia-centric, where a VW GTI starts at over $50,000. So would put the GR Corolla in a place to potentially undercut the STI - something around or slightly above the WRX. Which is where I think it should go. Probably low to mid $30k range in US.

*edit* Re-reading, if they're saying this will be full fledged GR Corolla, 1. I bet we won't get that and 2. If we did, yeah it would probably be well into the $40's
If you read between the lines, apply common sense, this will be STI priced. 40k. That's the full fledged loaded model too. Toyota always does trim levels. If you do ausd to usd conversion it comes out at 44k, but we know the direct conversions don't work or apply.

Definitely interested but think they'll need a 4 banger for that kind of Golf R power.
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If you read between the lines, apply common sense, this will be STI priced. 40k. That's the full fledged loaded model too. Toyota always does trim levels. If you do ausd to usd conversion it comes out at 44k, but we know the direct conversions don't work or apply.

Definitely interested but think they'll need a 4 banger for that kind of Golf R power.
Agree it will likely end up STI priced, and that the 3 cyl won't cut it against a seemingly wildly underrated R 4 cylinder.
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Ah, I didn't catch that it was an Australian article. I was glancing at it.

STI-priced is perfectly fine with me!
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Agree it will likely end up STI priced, and that the 3 cyl won't cut it against a seemingly wildly underrated R 4 cylinder.
I think GR Corolla vs Golf R buyers are going to decide more on "Am I ok with a VW or not" rather than whether it's a 300 hp 3 cylinder or 300 hp 4 cylinder.

I could see the rest of the world getting a 300 hp version with GR4 diffs, while we get a 265 hp version without the diffs, selling for $35k loaded.

I'd only buy it if we get the Torsen differentials.
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I think GR Corolla vs Golf R buyers are going to decide more on "Am I ok with a VW or not" rather than whether it's a 300 hp 3 cylinder or 300 hp 4 cylinder.

I could see the rest of the world getting a 300 hp version with GR4 diffs, while we get a 265 hp version without the diffs, selling for $35k loaded.

I'd only buy it if we get the Torsen differentials.
For sure, there is a good chance we'll get something watered down. It depends on Toyota's goals with the car. If they want to make something really special that achieves instant cult status at the cost of not really making a killing due to low volume, they would do a legit full-GR car.

If they want it to bring the bucks and sell at respectable volume, we'll get something watered down to keep the prices reasonable.

The way Toyota has been doing things, I honestly don't have a good feeling for which way they may go with this. Could be either way. I'm leaning just a little toward the legit GR/more expensive version though. 1. Because of enthusiasts/motoring journalists wildly positive reactions to the GR Yaris and 2. The current climate meaning they can know that every one of these they make will sell, at whatever price. So go crazy.
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Other comment I forgot to mention: the best route would be to get both. WRX and STI style.

$30k base hot hatch that looks special, brings most of the fun but omits the gnarliest material to keep cost down. 80% of sales.

Then the full GR has all the hardware etc, ~$37k base sort of thing.

Would definitely make Subaru sweat a bit, so that could be a reason not to do that, seeing how buddy buddy they are.
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