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Old 11-30-2021, 01:53 PM   #1001
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The main wear component is the electric pump, which can be replaced.
That wasn't literal in the sense an explosion would occur.

Inoperable Haldex unit is inoperable. Replacing a pump isn't free nor is it fun to drop your car off at a dealer for a week or more.

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I don't think I'd ever put it at 50/50 all the time, but I believe the controller will let you force 50/50 if you're at a particular throttle level... so say 50% and above throttle forces 50/50 torque split. Under 50% throttle and just let it function like stock for better wear and mpg.
Frequency of failure likely to go up under all of those scenarios with a controller. These pumps are failing on stock cars under 20k miles and the pump isn't serviceable. It's just drive and wait for your GTI status.
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Old 11-30-2021, 02:02 PM   #1002
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That wasn't literal in the sense an explosion would occur.

Inoperable Haldex unit is inoperable. Replacing a pump isn't free nor is it fun to drop your car off at a dealer for a week or more.

Frequency of failure likely to go up under all of those scenarios with a controller. These pumps are failing on stock cars under 20k miles and the pump isn't serviceable. It's just drive and wait for your GTI status.
Eh. pump replacement isn't hard. I don't recall it being super expensive either.

Pump failures were not widespread and were generally tied to certain years - it's been a while since I sold mine so I don't recall off the top of my head, but I believe there was a TSB or equivalent for those model years. I think it was mostly the 2016's, and the later years did just fine.

Just presenting it as an option for people out there. MFers on this forum do all sorts of crazy **** to their cars that increase wear and tear and burn out stock components. If someone is really that upset with the stock haldex function, they can change it.
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Old 11-30-2021, 02:33 PM   #1003
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IMO, the stock behavior of the system is good enough ('19 Mk7 R DSG).
As far as I'm concerned, it's nearly *indistinguishable* from the permanent 50:50 system in my old 06 WRX.
Front wheel spin just doesn't happen, and, if it does, in the wet, it's less than a single turn of the front wheels before the rear axle engages. It's neat and I like it.
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Old 11-30-2021, 02:37 PM   #1004
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Eh. pump replacement isn't hard. I don't recall it being super expensive either. [...]
I haven't looked up price for the part (or availability of said part !), but, you're right, that's something I should be able to replace on my own.
I replaced/fixed too many things on my old WRX to be scared of anything
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Old 11-30-2021, 03:07 PM   #1005
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Unkind review from Evo magazine. Donít shoot the messenger.

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/r
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Old 11-30-2021, 03:28 PM   #1006
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Unkind review from Evo magazine. Donít shoot the messenger.

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/r
I think it's a fair review. VW has changed 2 things at the same time here: they went to the GTI Clubsport front end alignment/geometry *and* they introduced a torque vectoring RDU.
Maybe these 2 are working against each other at times, resulting in that "unresolved" behavior the reviewer is talking about.
IMO, that's going to take some getting used too, coming from the much tamer stock Mk7 R chassis; some drivers will get used to it quickly and some won't like it.
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Old 11-30-2021, 05:29 PM   #1007
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That review is all over the place.
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Old 11-30-2021, 07:04 PM   #1008
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The review is also comparing the R to a whole bunch of cars that we don't get.

So... yeah, still the best awd hatchback with a manual in the US market...
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Old 11-30-2021, 09:48 PM   #1009
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That review is all over the place.
yep, and it contradicts nearly every other review when talking about driving dynamics, the suspension, steering, and chassis.
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Old 11-30-2021, 10:42 PM   #1010
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yep, and it contradicts nearly every other review when talking about driving dynamics, the suspension, steering, and chassis.
Evo is the only printed car mag I know thatís worth reading, and at $15/issue itís not paid advertising like C&D etc. 3.5 stars is a solid score from them, they were just big fans of the mk VII.

The love the GR86.

https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/204343/toyota-gr86-review-new-coupe-takes-the-challenge-to-porsches-cayman-20
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Old 12-01-2021, 01:41 AM   #1011
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I felt that way 20 years ago. After reading that, not so much.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:21 AM   #1012
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I felt that way 20 years ago. After reading that, not so much.
Every VW Iíve driven was super hyped up by car mags and then I found them very underwhelming. So I wonít be surprised if the new R is the same.
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Old 12-01-2021, 12:23 PM   #1013
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That's what it seems like is happening to the car mags themselves.
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Old 12-01-2021, 12:57 PM   #1014
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Every VW I've driven was super hyped up by car mags and then I found them very underwhelming. So I won't be surprised if the new R is the same.
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still the best awd hatchback with a manual in the US market...
Options are dwindling in this niche of the market. CTR is impossible to find at a reasonable price and fwd. wrx/sti are sedan only, look like ass, and have an absolutely terrible interior. The Corolla thing coming out could come in as a better option, but who the heck knows if/when we'll ever see it.

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Old 12-01-2021, 01:07 PM   #1015
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Easy to be #1 when you're the only one.
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Old 12-01-2021, 01:27 PM   #1016
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Easy to be #1 when you're the only one.
You may know this, but Subaru makes an AWD hatchback.
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Old 12-01-2021, 01:35 PM   #1017
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Every VW Iíve driven was super hyped up by car mags and then I found them very underwhelming. So I wonít be surprised if the new R is the same.
Yeah, same here. Drove quite a few Golfs and Corrados growing up overseas and a few after I moved to the United States; but I hadn't been impressed enough to actually go out of my way and own one.
But, I found the Mk7 R pretty convincing, even with the auto tranny.
And, things got really good after a proper front end alignment with GTI Clubsport parts.
So, I think the Mk8 R should be pretty good (minus the haptic buttons fest...).
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You may know this, but Subaru makes an AWD hatchback.
Even better, they also make a 271 hp WRX Wagon .
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You may know this, but Subaru makes an AWD hatchback.
no manual though... and the auto option is the most soul sucking automatic technology ever invented. I don't believe the subaru-dictated hype that auto journalists have been giving it.
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no manual though... and the auto option is the most soul sucking automatic technology ever invented. I don't believe the subaru-dictated hype that auto journalists have been giving it.
Interestingly, the HTCVT WRX Wagon makes 277 lb-ft; not limited to 258 like our WRX sedan...
But, yeah, Subaru should just quit using CVTs in high torque application; keep the LCVT and ditch the HTCVT/SPT...
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no manual though... and the auto option is the most soul sucking automatic technology ever invented. I don't believe the subaru-dictated hype that auto journalists have been giving it.
I just built an Impreza Sport 5 door with all the sporty bits and illumination kits and moonroof and STI bits, every option that's "comparable" to what you get standard on something like an R, and it came out to $33.5k. With CVT.




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I just built an Impreza Sport 5 door with all the sporty bits and illumination kits and moonroof and STI bits, every option that's "comparable" to what you get standard on something like an R, and it came out to $33.5k. With CVT.



Don't forget ADM; my local dealer (Subaru dealer in Fremont) charges between $4K and $6K extra for all the remaining new Subarus on their lot (capitalizing on the fact that Subaru hasn't been manufacturing enough cars).
So, in theory, I'd looking at, at least, $37.5K. Basically, about the same I paid for my used '19 Golf R .
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That's across the board. Rs are going to be 65k for at least a year.
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That's across the board. Rs are going to be 65k for at least a year.
eh. I touched base with my local dealer less than a month ago. They said that their first one was reserved already, but that'd they'd put my name in for the next one at MSRP once it showed up. I ultimately declined, but there are still reasonable dealers out there.
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eh. I touched base with my local dealer less than a month ago. They said that their first one was reserved already, but that'd they'd put my name in for the next one at MSRP once it showed up. I ultimately declined, but there are still reasonable dealers out there.

Same for my friend/colleague. He put down a $500 deposit for MSRP. He is 1st/2nd on the list. The first customer but some employee in the auto group snaked into first I think, after he put his deposit in. I keep telling him to wait for the GR to debut before making a decision but he's ready to get out of the RS bad.
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