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Old 06-07-2018, 07:31 PM   #1
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So I noticed the 2019 WRX and STi will receive Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I wish the 2016 to 2018s would receive an update to access CarPlay but Subaru is definitely going to be using this as a selling point. However, I was doing research and I found that the Mustang did something similar where the 2017+ got CarPlay but the 2016 got shafted... but if you upgraded the USB hub, CarPlay magically worked. (This does work, we did it for my buddyís mustang)

I was wondering what you guys think? Will Subaru change actual hardware in the head unit to enable it in the 2019s only? Or will there be something dumb like changing the USB hub and upgrading software to get Apple CarPlay and Android Auto in the 2016-2018s?

I like the stock look of the head unit and this is something I would like to research much more.

Reference video that it worked for the Mustang
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:51 PM   #2
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I sure hope there isn't anything this easy to make it work. I just bought all the goodies to rip out my stock stereo and put something in with CarPlay in my 18 :-p
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Old 06-07-2018, 11:23 PM   #3
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I sure hope there isn't anything this easy to make it work. I just bought all the goodies to rip out my stock stereo and put something in with CarPlay in my 18 :-p
I have the the 17 sti with hk system (makes any upgrading a pita) so I just bought a 10" tablet and stuck it over the oem unit. Waze, Google, garage door apps, etc..... I too hope it's a simple upgrade.

We just bought a 18 imprezza hatch and it came with Android auto. Pretty nice, and, waze is working great.
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:38 AM   #4
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I'm willing to guarantee this type of thing won't be possible. Based on photos of the interface and screen, the hardware and starlink software in the 2019 head unit is pretty much what's in the Outback... which is different from the 2015-2018 WRX/STI. Don't bet on Subaru providing that new starlink software as a firmware update -- would be nice though
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Old 06-10-2018, 03:13 PM   #5
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I'm willing to guarantee this type of thing won't be possible. Based on photos of the interface and screen, the hardware and starlink software in the 2019 head unit is pretty much what's in the Outback... which is different from the 2015-2018 WRX/STI. Don't bet on Subaru providing that new starlink software as a firmware update -- would be nice though
Maybe it will be possible to swap the 2019 unit into the past years.
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Old 06-10-2018, 03:58 PM   #6
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Maybe it will be possible to swap the 2019 unit into the past years.
Yeah, anybody know if this will be possible? Especially for a 2018 with HK.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:05 PM   #7
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I purchased the 2018 WRX Limited for the hopes that Subaru will make it an option to upgrade the firmware in the future with the 7" infotainment system.

I honestly don't even mind paying the dealer to upgrade the firmware and reflash it! It seems like this might just be a buying point for Subaru to fetch in people.
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:36 PM   #8
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Anyone that works at a dealership seeing a part number for the 2019 headunit with nav+HK yet? I know it’s early, but I noticed on Subaru’s parts site that some 2019 audio system diagrams/parts are showing up under 2018, but not the actual headunit(?). I’m just wondering if the dealership database is the same as the parts site, or if it’s more up-to-date.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:37 PM   #9
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Anyone that works at a dealership seeing a part number for the 2019 headunit with nav+HK yet? I know itís early, but I noticed on Subaruís parts site that some 2019 audio system diagrams/parts are showing up under 2018, but not the actual headunit(?). Iím just wondering if the dealership database is the same as the parts site, or if itís more up-to-date.
https://parts.subaru.com/Subaru_2018_STI-STI-Limited-25L-TURBO-6MT/Electrical.html -- The available headunits, labeled as Audio Parts (Radio) Body, show as being applicable to '16MY- while the system overall, labeled as Audio Parts (Radio) System, has two separate diagrams labeled as '16MY-'18MY and '19MY- respectively.

Going off of that evidence, I'm concluding that the 2019s will have a slightly different system but will use the same headunit as 2016+ cars. Hopefully Subaru will release a firmware update for at least 2016-2018 cars.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:52 PM   #10
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https://parts.subaru.com/Subaru_2018_STI-STI-Limited-25L-TURBO-6MT/Electrical.html -- The available headunits, labeled as Audio Parts (Radio) Body, show as being applicable to '16MY- while the system overall, labeled as Audio Parts (Radio) System, has two separate diagrams labeled as '16MY-'18MY and '19MY- respectively.

Going off of that evidence, I'm concluding that the 2019s will have a slightly different system but will use the same headunit as 2016+ cars. Hopefully Subaru will release a firmware update for at least 2016-2018 cars.
The difference between the two systems diagrams is that the 19MY diagram has the telematics unit showing while the 16-18 doesnít. Up here in Canada we donít get the Starlink telematics so whatever HU we get should be slightly less complicated and Iím asssuming it will be a little easier to do a swap because of that. Assuming is the key... hopefully.

The actual radio body diagram doesnít really show what year is 19 specific. Just 2 units that cost the same, but for some reason have different part numbers. Again, Iím assuming the Ď19 unit isnít being shown there... I guess weíll have to wait until the actual 2019 section shows up on the site.

Itís highly unlikely Subaru would have a firmware update for older units to update to the new starlink.

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Old 08-14-2018, 11:50 PM   #11
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Anyone that works at a dealership seeing a part number for the 2019 headunit with nav+HK yet? I know itís early, but I noticed on Subaruís parts site that some 2019 audio system diagrams/parts are showing up under 2018, but not the actual headunit(?). Iím just wondering if the dealership database is the same as the parts site, or if itís more up-to-date.
Hi. I had the same questions. I went to the Subaru dealership in my area and had the parts guy look up the part number for the 2019 HK+Nav Head Unit using the VIN of a 2019 WRX STI Limited that they had in stock. According to him, the part number for the 2019 HK+Nav Head Unit is 86471VA610 and its MSRP is $2,195.68. They didn't guarantee me that it was going to be plug-and-play with a 2018 STI Limited. Specially because they haven't done it or seen it themselves. They did say, however, that it had to be the same tier radio (e.g., HK+Nav unit vs HK+Nav unit). They also mentioned that it may require an ECU re-flash for the radio to recognize your car (or viceversa) due to it's built-in security measures. There are two more things to consider. First is the fact that the USB ports in the center console are updated in 2019 (possibly due to more bandwidth for CarPlay/Android Auto). In the 2019 the USB ports are labeled as "2.1 Amps", whereas in the 2018 it doesn't say that. The second thing is the antenna. Supposedly, the 2019 Nav is updated over the air as opposed to using an SD card. So it is unclear if the new antenna is required or not for the radio to function. Like many others I'm very interested to know if somebody out there has done or attempted this swap. I want Car Play so bad but want to keep the OEM look and functionalities. Hope this info helps someone out there.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:31 AM   #12
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^ Thanks for the info.

The Subaru parts site has been updated with a 2019 specific section since I posted that, and they're listing part 86471VA710 as what I think is the 2019 Nav+HK unit. I'm not sure how it differs from 86471VA610 you mentioned. Could you let him run that part number and see what he gets?

When it comes to recognizing your car he might be referring to the telematics unit that is sort of the middle man in the US cars. Previous years had issues dealing with telematics if it was bypassed. I'm not sure if it requires a reflash though since I'm pretty sure the HU doesn't interface with anything else other than telematics. In Canada, we don't have that unit, thankfully.

The USB thing though... that is something uncertain. It might be an issue for people with the single USB module that came with the base 6.2". I'd like to think the dual module that came with the Nav+HK HU would be the same? I'm not sure about the over-the-air updates either, but my guess is it should just be built into the HU as long as its wifi.

I wish we could get a pic of the back side of the 2019 HU and compare. It could go a long way to figuring this out before shelling out the money.
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Old 08-15-2018, 06:47 PM   #13
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So I just joined the Subbie family a few weeks ago. 2018 Sti. I made an appointment for this past Saturday because it's really my only complaint with the car, and I was hoping they would be able to flash a new firmware and fix the problem. The Service Department told me that the 2018's weren't able to use mirrorlink because of some big legal battle and that all the North American cars had to have it disabled. The tech said that the 2019's will have it enabled, but the 2018's compatible with the new HU's. =\ Major bummer. I was really thinking about ringing up SOA to see if there is anything that can be done to fix it without putting in an aftermarket HU. I'm pretty pissed about it tbh. It's ridiculous that I bought a 2018 car that I can't use navigation on and can't charge my phone properly. They need to fix this at no cost to customers.
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Old 08-15-2018, 09:30 PM   #14
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So I just joined the Subbie family a few weeks ago. 2018 Sti. I made an appointment for this past Saturday because it's really my only complaint with the car, and I was hoping they would be able to flash a new firmware and fix the problem. The Service Department told me that the 2018's weren't able to use mirrorlink because of some big legal battle and that all the North American cars had to have it disabled. The tech said that the 2019's will have it enabled, but the 2018's compatible with the new HU's. =\ Major bummer. I was really thinking about ringing up SOA to see if there is anything that can be done to fix it without putting in an aftermarket HU. I'm pretty pissed about it tbh. It's ridiculous that I bought a 2018 car that I can't use navigation on and can't charge my phone properly. They need to fix this at no cost to customers.
well, if youíre willing to spend for the cost of OEM, keep an eye on this thread and subforum. As more info comes in about the 2019ís HU, people will do retrofits. Or if youíre willing to spend the time on aftermarket, there are lots of resources in this sub forum.

I hear you though, who knew Subaru would actually have this many different infotainment units for one generation? Itís uncharacteristic of them to change hardware the way they have.

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Old 08-20-2018, 07:03 PM   #15
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So I just joined the Subbie family a few weeks ago. 2018 Sti. I made an appointment for this past Saturday because it's really my only complaint with the car, and I was hoping they would be able to flash a new firmware and fix the problem. The Service Department told me that the 2018's weren't able to use mirrorlink because of some big legal battle and that all the North American cars had to have it disabled. The tech said that the 2019's will have it enabled, but the 2018's compatible with the new HU's. =\ Major bummer. I was really thinking about ringing up SOA to see if there is anything that can be done to fix it without putting in an aftermarket HU. I'm pretty pissed about it tbh. It's ridiculous that I bought a 2018 car that I can't use navigation on and can't charge my phone properly. They need to fix this at no cost to customers.
Just spoke to Marc at SOA and not good news. So he said the engineers and higher ups at HQ have not made any plans to update the Fujitsu units with CarPlay/Android auto (hence the change to Clarion/Harmon). As a result, he said if owners switch out their units to the 19 MY it would be consider a "modification" outside of the warranty even though its a Subaru OEM part. It was ambiguous to say the least but I asked what if I switched out the unit? He replied saying it would be the same exact part number that would be installed, per warranty, and they would not approve switching it out to the 19 MY version. So sadly, SOA is saying tough luck owners. However, since most people aren't going to accept this answer, what I was going to ask all of you is this, contact SOA. Tell them you want CarPlay/Android Auto. SOA knows people want it, thats why they're offering it. Mazda, Ford, Toyota are offering updates to include the software for prior model years. He claimed the feedback even goes back to Japan which I even went out of my way to go the Japanese website, translate it in English, and then send an email to them (never had a reply haha I think Google translate was horrible) hoping something would change. If SOA hears from WRX owners ESPECIALLY 18 MY they cant just say sorry you bought last years model tough luck. I told Marc about these forums, clubwrx.net, reddit, etc. They read what people say here. Lets hope for a change, if enough people spread the word and it makes the news via twitter, facebook, snapchat, the bad publicity and negative marketing will wake up those clowns at HQ. Let's make it happen gentlemen! (and ladies too)
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:31 PM   #16
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Maybe they gave me the wrong part number since it kind of doesn't make sense for the new part number to be lower than the old. Also, Canada may have different part numbers or use different parts all together. You mentioned that you don't have telematic units and we do in the US. Sorry haven't showed your part number to the part guy. But appreciate the reply. Hoping that someone out there is bold enough (and with enough cash ) to try this and prove to all of us that it can or can't be done.
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:40 AM   #17
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My issue with Android Auto is that the ones which work by requiring a USB connection to the phone (just this year they're starting to come out with aftermarket HUs that can connect to Android 8.0 phones and better via wi-fi) do NOT supply enough current. Most phones out there these days require about 2.1A or more to properly charge (3.0A or more for rapid charging). AA headunits provide at most about 1.5A for charging through the USB cable. That means your phone will be discharging AND charging at the same time if you have a smart phone bought in the last 2 years or so.

Going to have to go aftermarket, for example, if you're using a Google Pixel, or be willing to splice a 12V car charger into the power lines for the AA HU's USB cable.
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Old 06-25-2018, 08:18 PM   #18
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Pretty frustrated I paid more to be limited. I dont even use starlink. I have a 10" tablet posted up over my screen...... Oem system as a whole is a total zero. We have an imrezza too, a base model, it has Android auto and is real nice.
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I emailed SOA last month and was told it’s not possible to update the 2018 head unit to Apple CarPlay. I bought my WRX in April. Wish I had waited a few more months. I just assumed that since other Subaru’s had CarPlay that they were never going to put it in the WRX. The same thing happened when I bought my 2015 Mustang. The next years model had CarPlay as a usb upgrade option for I believe $50 at the dealer. I hate the thought of spending money on a new head unit just for CarPlay, since I just paid $35000 for the car. And I’m going in for $1,500 for ceramic coating next month.
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Old 07-30-2018, 11:16 AM   #20
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has anyone got a 19 yet that has it??? id be interested to see the back side of it. It looks from what i found to be the same "sized" radio so it could be possible to do. I wonder if it has more communication though than the 18
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:14 PM   #22
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hmmmm


Yeesh dat ugly. Youíve got the same idea Iíve got though!
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I'm don't mind the look of the new 2019 radio, but what phd12v said it would be interesting to see if the 2019 radio works for a 2018. I would like to have android auto.
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:47 AM   #24
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I'm betting there won't be as many people wanting to swap out the 2019 unit compared to previous years, since most people just want CP/AA out of an aftermarket unit.

Fingers crossed... especially for the HK unit for me! I keep checking the subaru parts site for the 2019 category, but so far its not up yet.
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I honestly think it will be the same situation as the mustang where with light modification you'll be able to make it work in the older versions.
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