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Old 06-28-2019, 02:39 PM   #26
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A hot Mirage wouldn't be the worst idea.

Problem is, the Mirage is already overpriced (and eats consumables)

But a turbo or supercharger on that engine with some decent suspension under it could be a fun little car.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:44 PM   #27
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But I absolutely have the worst ideas for cars. I drive a sporty wagon.
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Old 06-28-2019, 03:15 PM   #28
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I love the Ralliart wagons. Just wish they came with the GSR 5spd in them instead of the SST.
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Old 06-28-2019, 04:44 PM   #29
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I honestly would like to see Mitsu make the Evo again. That was the biggest mistake for that company to kill it off. Nobody wants half the other cars they make today.
I don't see myself buying another one again but, they were fun.

Apparently they didn't want EVOs either. It was rare for me to see a new one on the lot for a while. Why did they not want it? I can only imagine that folks wanting just a fun DD and not something more hardcore. I enjoyed driving it quite a bit when I was thinking of having fun. When just piddling around, though, I HATED the ride and couldn't imagine owning one as an only car. I've always wondered if that was why.
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Old 06-28-2019, 05:04 PM   #30
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That's like GM asking Ford to use their transmissions, especially when both of them at the time were "our AWD is better".

You don't understand the competition between the two.

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Odd considering you can get basically the same ten speed in a Mustang and a Camaro that was co developed by Ford and Chevy.

I guess the Mustang and Camaro aren't competition with each other?
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Old 06-28-2019, 05:47 PM   #31
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I HATED the ride and couldn't imagine owning one as an only car. I've always wondered if that was why.
My evo is soft compared to my previous cars. It's actually got body roll to it and actually has ground clearance. My previous car had 10k front and 8k rears. Car before that wasn't much better. Feels like a normal person car to me.

As for "why didn't more people buy it?" I think you're on the money. Evo has higher NVH than most cars, even most performance cars. I don't care about that. If I had to choose a split between where money goes on a car between performance and creature comforts, it would be 90% performance. I'd buy a factory stripped interior car with a single seat if I could and it was cheaper/faster than the rest of the competition.
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Old 06-29-2019, 01:32 AM   #32
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My evo is soft compared to my previous cars. It's actually got body roll to it and actually has ground clearance. My previous car had 10k front and 8k rears. Car before that wasn't much better. Feels like a normal person car to me.

As for "why didn't more people buy it?" I think you're on the money. Evo has higher NVH than most cars, even most performance cars. I don't care about that. If I had to choose a split between where money goes on a car between performance and creature comforts, it would be 90% performance. I'd buy a factory stripped interior car with a single seat if I could and it was cheaper/faster than the rest of the competition.
I feel the problem was more complex.

1) I felt the EVO was sort of a Hail Marry attempt by Mitsubishi to stay relevant in an age when individuals where questioning their sustainability as a car company. During the EVOs reign, GM was getting bailed out by our federal government. Saab was totally dissolved, Chrysler was being passed around to Daimler and the FIAT. The car industry was a mess, and Mitsubishi was just a big gamble to invest money in.

2) The markets perception of Subaru as a worthy investment was and is still higher than Mitsubishi.

3) Like you guys said, the Subaru was and is just a better daily driver.
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Old 06-29-2019, 06:06 AM   #33
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When just piddling around, though, I HATED the ride and couldn't imagine owning one as an only car. I've always wondered if that was why.

i daily drove my Evo X MR for 6 years and never once did i think, "i'm SOOO uncomfortable!"

go buy a old Lincoln Towncar for your uber-sensitive arse.
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Old 06-29-2019, 08:15 AM   #34
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My EVO X MR didn't feel any more uncomfortable than my M2 but some people consider the M2's ride harsh. That said there's no doubt my 2013 STI felt softer and easier to live with but at the same time it didn't feel nearly as sharp and sporty.
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Old 06-29-2019, 09:20 AM   #35
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i daily drove my Evo X MR for 6 years and never once did i think, "i'm SOOO uncomfortable!"

go buy a old Lincoln Towncar for your uber-sensitive arse.

Wow. Jerk much?

I was comparing it to my STi and STI. Why would I want a harsher ride for something with very similar performance?

And before we magazine race, I hardly ever took them to the level where the EVO was "better". The STI was certainly better at having fun and not jarring a person around as much.
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Old 06-29-2019, 11:44 AM   #36
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Cracked up looking at that red car picture up top.
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Old 06-29-2019, 12:54 PM   #37
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Does Mitsu even have 2% of new car sales these days? I can't remember the last time I saw a new one on the road.
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Old 06-29-2019, 02:33 PM   #38
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And before we magazine race, I hardly ever took them to the level where the EVO was "better". The STI was certainly better at having fun and not jarring a person around as much.
Different strokes. Jarring is part of the expectation I have. I want all dem g-forces translated into my bones. I want to feel like the world is attempting to rip me out of my seat and the only thing keeping me there is my seat belt and the bucket.

Also, not pushing a car every chance you get to those levels where you're on thin ice just tells me you probably don't need to buy performance cars as it is. Probably better you got a baja and non-rex impreza.

I hoon basically every chance I get, and in my non-grid-locked environment, that's easily 75% of the time. Only time I don't get to have fun is when I go to downtown Rochester, which I only do sparingly.
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Old 06-29-2019, 04:24 PM   #39
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Different strokes. Jarring is part of the expectation I have. I want all dem g-forces translated into my bones. I want to feel like the world is attempting to rip me out of my seat and the only thing keeping me there is my seat belt and the bucket.

Also, not pushing a car every chance you get to those levels where you're on thin ice just tells me you probably don't need to buy performance cars as it is. Probably better you got a baja and non-rex impreza.

I hoon basically every chance I get, and in my non-grid-locked environment, that's easily 75% of the time. Only time I don't get to have fun is when I go to downtown Rochester, which I only do sparingly.
Right. I was just trying to see maybe if many others had a similar thought on it as I and that's why the EVO didn't sell nearly as well as the STI with it being considered a "better" car. For "feel" and tuning and what not.

As for taking it to the limits. The limits are far too much for the street. I had my fun with the car. We just didn't have a lot of autocrosses at the time to really push it. Which I did to my level of driving when I participated. You just alluded to being dangerous. I have been dangerous; but, did try to avoid it. I've ripped enough people out of cars to not want to be one of them.
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Old 06-30-2019, 05:40 AM   #40
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Wow. Jerk much?

I was comparing it to my STi and STI. Why would I want a harsher ride for something with very similar performance?

And before we magazine race, I hardly ever took them to the level where the EVO was "better". The STI was certainly better at having fun and not jarring a person around as much.
of course the STI was better - you're a Subaru fanboi and they can do no wrong.

ride was not harsh and the factory Recaros were very comfortable. i bought it used, drove it for 6 years and had *zero* problems. can't say that for any of the 4 POS Subarus i had, 2 of which were bought brand new.
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Old 06-30-2019, 04:05 PM   #41
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Yep,


Their biggest mistake was killing the Eclipse GSX. The next mistake was replacing it with the SST only Ralliart. Put the GSR 5 spd in that car, drop the price and say buh-bye to the WRX.

But no.
I would also add that reusing the name of the terrible prior-generation Ralliart ****box (which was little more than a "tuner" badgejob) wasn't a good idea either. The prior gen was pretty much equivalent to the current Nismo Sentra, maybe even worse. It was a completely half-assed jab at a spocom. The WRX-fighter deserved a different badge I think.
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Old 06-30-2019, 04:20 PM   #42
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Let them make a vehicle that is generally more reliable and safe than the average Subaru, then they would be warmly welcomed by people with common sense. Until then, let the kiddos keep building their iron block monsters that only run for weeks or months at a time.



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Old 06-30-2019, 06:58 PM   #43
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of course the STI was better - you're a Subaru fanboi and they can do no wrong.

ride was not harsh and the factory Recaros were very comfortable. i bought it used, drove it for 6 years and had *zero* problems. can't say that for any of the 4 POS Subarus i had, 2 of which were bought brand new.
I bought my Evo x in 08 after trading in my WRX. Best all around car I have ever owned. 11yrs, 95k miles and besides a couple of warranty issues related to buying a car in the first model year (paid for by Mitsubishi), it has been very reliable despite being close to double factory Hp. Car still feels and drives more direct than anything I have ever driven other than a race prepped car (and better than some of those). All that and I can still take the kids with car seats and have used it on vacation. If my wife isnít complaining about the ride then it isnít bad...and she has complained about past cars. Not sure what I will do if it ever dies. Maybe just pay a premium for an unmodded low mileage survivor.
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Let them make a vehicle that is generally more reliable and safe than the average Subaru
ANY Mitsubishi is more reliable than the average Subaru already

of the two i have, and the one my mom has ... zero issues, minor recalls (door latch, ACD pump failure- doesn't affect drive-ability, warrantied to 100k)

lets try Subaru ... same head gasket issues on the same motor they've been building for 30 years, banjo bolt filters that clog and destroy engines/turbos, gas leaking in the engine bay recalls, and other current recalls of the month.

Subaru must be commended, though, for maintaining this reputation for "reliability" when they are FAR from it in reality.
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Different strokes. Jarring is part of the expectation I have. I want all dem g-forces translated into my bones. I want to feel like the world is attempting to rip me out of my seat and the only thing keeping me there is my seat belt and the bucket.

Also, not pushing a car every chance you get to those levels where you're on thin ice just tells me you probably don't need to buy performance cars as it is. Probably better you got a baja and non-rex impreza.

I hoon basically every chance I get, and in my non-grid-locked environment, that's easily 75% of the time. Only time I don't get to have fun is when I go to downtown Rochester, which I only do sparingly.
This post honestly convinced me to get rid of my WRX and never be seen in one again.
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My evo is soft compared to my previous cars. It's actually got body roll to it and actually has ground clearance. My previous car had 10k front and 8k rears. Car before that wasn't much better. Feels like a normal person car to me.

As for "why didn't more people buy it?" I think you're on the money. Evo has higher NVH than most cars, even most performance cars. I don't care about that. If I had to choose a split between where money goes on a car between performance and creature comforts, it would be 90% performance. I'd buy a factory stripped interior car with a single seat if I could and it was cheaper/faster than the rest of the competition.
So do you do track days or anything where you can really test the limits of the vehicles? Do you participate in any competitions?

Just curious given you vehicle choice criteria.
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This post honestly convinced me to get rid of my WRX and never be seen in one again.
It's the hipster vehicle here. I mean the 2015+, I see every time I drive anywhere. I know that many people like to be driving the same thing others do. But that fact, along with the Camry looks, or the fact that it just looks every other sedan out there, well I don't blame you. I've talked to a bunch of people that owned it and got rid of it. They said it was just bland and there wasn't anything special about anything with the car. It's just the cheap solution, and for the money a solid value but once you get the trims at 30k and up, maybe not. IMO, it's just bland and "safe". Performance cars I think you need to push it, take some chances, be bold. Make something special, iconic. This is why I have bought things other than Subaru's over the last 7 years.
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So do you do track days or anything where you can really test the limits of the vehicles? Do you participate in any competitions?

Just curious given you vehicle choice criteria.
I used to when I lived near a local track. Did SCCA for a year, but could never get the same thrills out of it as an actual road course. It's not the competition for me so much as the adrenaline, which I can get any time I power slide my evo, which I do plenty still in situations I deem good enough.

The higher the capabilities of the car, the easier it is to maintain control while on that edge at higher speeds and not wreck yourself. Predictable behavior, manageable slides, plenty of power to not accidentally suddenly regain traction and throw off the line, higher stability etc.

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This post honestly convinced me to get rid of my WRX and never be seen in one again.
Good news! I own an Evo. Your image is safe.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:24 AM   #50
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Does Mitsu even have 2% of new car sales these days? I can't remember the last time I saw a new one on the road.
Less than 1% of the market.
All they make now are crossovers, and there's just no reason to buy their crossovers over the hundreds of other options out there.

Mitsubishi need to find themselves a niche That others aren't doing, like Mazda with the Miata or Jeep with the wrangler, and rebuild their reputation.
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