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Old 07-26-2019, 11:12 AM   #1
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So, two days ago a friend's 2013 Impreza (142k miles) had the valve spring recall done. Dealer told him it'll take around 9 hours, they had the car done in 4. Not even 24 hours and 80 miles later, coming home from work it throws a rod. The engine is slated for teardown next week, and at the moment the dealer is dodging fault. Oil pressure light came on AFTER failure, and the engine is about a quart overfilled.

The service advisor told us that it definitely wasn't them so far, and that the engine is designed to be overfilled "about half a quart"
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Old 07-26-2019, 03:33 PM   #2
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So, two days ago a friend's 2013 Impreza (142k miles) had the valve spring recall done. Dealer told him it'll take around 9 hours, they had the car done in 4. Not even 24 hours and 80 miles later, coming home from work it throws a rod. The engine is slated for teardown next week, and at the moment the dealer is dodging fault. Oil pressure light came on AFTER failure, and the engine is about a quart overfilled.

The service advisor told us that it definitely wasn't them so far, and that the engine is designed to be overfilled "about half a quart"
this is happening a LOT. tech doesnt use the correct amount of rtv or they use it in the wrong location and it causes oil starvation. it has nothing to do with oil level.
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Old 07-28-2019, 09:32 PM   #3
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The only RTV used on the recall is for the valve cover.

I think what may be happening is debris is falling into the engine, most likely the old RTV that has to be removed. In any case, if the technician is careful, this should never happen.

Getting this recall done in only 4 hours probably means there's some sloppy work being done. It pays 7.3 hours. The fastest I ever completed one was 5.5 hours, and that was hustling for me- I'm normally very thorough (I don't want comebacks!!)

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Old 07-29-2019, 12:39 PM   #4
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There may be some kind of debri fell in the engine during the work causing the oil passage to clog up.
Although, even if something fell in the engine, the oil pick up screen should be able to capture it before it gets sucked up. Further more, the oil filter will catch anything before it gets circulated into the engine.
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Old 07-30-2019, 11:21 PM   #5
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Update: the dealer pulled the engine today. Sent a lovely email saying the oil filter outlet was clogged with Fuji bond from the timing cover. Placing the blame on another shop and said: "over time the engine was starved of oil".

This doesn't sit right with me. To the best of our knowledge, the timing cover was never pulled. The car is new to my friend as of last May. Since then we took it on a 500+ mile road trip, and he drove it 40 miles to work every day. The used car dealer we bought it from (I've had cars from them, lovely people) were utterly shocked to hear the Subie dealer isn't admitting fault and assured us they never even went near the engine aside from an oil change.

A case has been opened with SOA, pretty sure they need to hear about this

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Update: the dealer pulled the engine today. Sent a lovely email saying the oil filter outlet was clogged with Fuji bond from the timing cover. Placing the blame on another shop and said: "over time the engine was starved of oil".

This doesn't sit right with me. To the best of our knowledge, the timing cover was never pulled. The car is new to my friend as of last May. Since then we took it on a 500+ mile road trip, and he drove it 40 miles to work every day. The used car dealer we bought it from (I've had cars from them, lovely people) were utterly shocked to hear the Subie dealer isn't admitting fault and assured us they never even went near the engine aside from an oil change.

A case has been opened with SOA, pretty sure they need to hear about this

Sounds like someone is trying to avoid responsibilities. Shady dealers.
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Ask to pull the lower oil pan and inspect the strainer on the pickup. I've seen a lot of posts in a group I read showing the new valve spring paint clogging up the oil strainer. It's blue paint to indicate they're the replacement springs.

I've also heard a bunch of guys say they're finding old sealant in the strainer, from someone rushing through the procedure and doing a sloppy job of cleaning up.



Go down there in person and ask to see. If they've already got it pulled apart, and the oil filter strainer looks suspiciously clean, guess why...

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Old 08-12-2019, 12:32 PM   #8
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So Subaru of America is being useless in the case. The rep has basically told us to pound sand, saying talk to the dealer about it.

The dealership is standing by their claim that someone at some point removed the timing cover and used too much Fujibond, clogging the oil filter outlet to clog. The dealer is standing firm that this happened gradually over time, which I find super hard to believe since the car has been driven every day since May, including a several hundred-mile vacation trip.

Fuji bond takes what, 24 hours to cure fully?
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:35 PM   #9
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Also, photo of the oil filter outlet

https://imgur.com/Bar4BkI

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Old 08-19-2019, 02:33 AM   #10
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Well that outlet is severely messed up, but I'd find it hard to believe that it culminated in engine failure immediately after having work done where there have been scads of engine failures immediately after completion.


Ask the dealer to pull up the vehicle's history. If it's actually fujibond, it likely was done at a dealership - for oil consumption issues or oil leak issues.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:37 AM   #11
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Update!!!! After numerous a few calls with the dealer, the engine was replaced last Wednesday. New short block, oil pickup, and pan for the lovely price of $0.

The dealer still claims no fault, but caved when we mentioned that the shop he bought the car from (AutoCreek in Vergennes, VT) offered to do a used long block for free.

We looked into the cars history as much as possible and the last time it visited a dealer was back in 2014, no mention of anything involving behind the timing cover.
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