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Old 08-21-2019, 02:58 PM   #26
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There are exotic car rental places in and near NYC. Some of the mainstream agencies have near-exotics even. I'm serious when I say to buy the Urban Assault Vehicle for normal driving and rent a serious sports car now and then. I mean a use H2 Hummer with some murdering out, Fuel wheels and bigger tires would be very fun and intimidating. Don't forget the sticker in the rear window.
I think the 2020 Rezvani Tank Military Edition would be perfect Minus the price tag of course.
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The 1,000 HP tuned Dodge Demon engine may be enough to satisfy the sports car desire.. unless you actually care about handling, in which case you could just buy a Miata
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:21 PM   #27
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I don't have any firsthand experience with the suspension tuning on my '19 STI and how it handles potholes.. luckily I don't have to deal with many of those where I live. It does seem to absorb smaller bumps on the highway better than I expected.

However, I don't imagine that the 19" wheels with the small sidewall (35% aspect ratio) will love the potholes. You would probably be better off swapping them for 18" wheels. The larger sidewall should help prevent damage and maybe make the ride a bit more comfortable.
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:58 PM   #28
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Echoing a few others, I'd be wary of buying a used WRX/STI. For reasons that I don't completely understand, the platform seems to attract a certain demographic that just beat on the car without proper supporting mods/tunes, maintenance etc. You will see enough of these examples on Youtube and FB groups. A used WRX/STI could very well have been flogged to an inch of its death by a 20-something old and then traded in. I personally would not be willing to place that gamble.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:14 PM   #29
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These current gen STIs can't really handle pot holes, imo. The suspension is the firmest its ever been stock, and the ride height is pretty low already and suspension travel isn't fantastic either. I've hit bump stop more times than I'd like and the shock valving isn't quite right for 4-season battered roads. It can handle snow really well though.

I feel like the wrx/sti is now more geared toward smooth paved roads -- suspension-wise. The AWD handles crappy weather just right for a non-4x4 vehicle.
the awd system has literally not changed.... at all.

i even took my poor mans wrx through some of the worst winter weather my state has seen in 10 years juuust fine.

also hitting potholes in any lowprofile tire is asking for trouble regardless of car. hell look at EExplained blowing out two on his tesla... just dont hit them? You want a layZboy on wheels... the STI or wrx isnt it. they are built to handle not take you to the mall in comfort.

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Old 08-22-2019, 07:42 AM   #30
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the awd system has literally not changed.... at all.

i even took my poor mans wrx through some of the worst winter weather my state has seen in 10 years juuust fine.

also hitting potholes in any lowprofile tire is asking for trouble regardless of car. hell look at EExplained blowing out two on his tesla... just dont hit them? You want a layZboy on wheels... the STI or wrx isnt it. they are built to handle not take you to the mall in comfort.
Guys pleeeeaaaase read what I wrote. I didn't say anything bad about the AWD system. The AWD works wonders in winter. I literally said it handles snow well, and also crappy weather. I'm talking about the suspension and how its valving, stiffer, and ride height doesn't handle potholes and badly maintained roads like subies of old. Suspension does not mean AWD system.

I'll say it again the AWD system is great. Suspension isn't as great as before for rougher/crappy roads. And who said I want a lazyboy with wheels? And fyi, it is possible to have better high speed compression and rebound valving but still handle well.

I also don't understand why people think I'm aiming for potholes. You honestly think I don't try to avoid them if I can? If you actually think ALL potholes are avoidable, then the roads you drive on are awesome and totally free of traffic. Also, there are some really crappy roads where they're cratered all over the place. They're not wheel-bending deep holes, but they are many and not avoidable.

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Old 08-22-2019, 08:26 AM   #31
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If you actually think ALL potholes are avoidable, then the roads you drive on are awesome and totally free of traffic. Also, there are some really crappy roads where they're cratered all over the place. They're not wheel-bending deep holes, but they are many and not avoidable.
^correct
sometimes they absolutely are NOT avoidable even when nobody else is on the road and you are free to go completely into the other lane.
Drive on some old back roads, particularly after a few bad winters, before the spring patch crews repair the damage
I recall many times where I simply choose the path that looks the least horrible and hope for the best.
Plus, I have NAILED a couple monsters and not damaged my wheels or tires so the car can certainly handle some bad ones.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:54 AM   #32
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Clayton from Ramsey is active on Subaru forums and can get you the deal below invoice. As others have echoed I would never buy a used Subaru WRX or STI.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:58 PM   #33
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haha it's not up yet. I haven't put anything in motion yet, still trying to figure everything out. I can definitely keep you in the loop if you're interested. Quick stats are: 2012, base (non-Competition ), DCT, sedan, white on cinnamon, 69k miles. I am looking to get $25 ish for it


Ah if it was a manual I would have been interested! Thanks anyways
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:55 PM   #34
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Sounds like the OP wants a comfy ride. I'd get a SUV in this case.. maybe a Forester with eyesight. Can't go fast anyway in NY traffic, then why bother getting a fast car.

Bad roads and STI is like getting a spoon to eat ramen. Doable, but not enjoyable.
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Old 08-23-2019, 05:14 PM   #35
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Sounds like the OP wants a comfy ride. I'd get a SUV in this case.. maybe a Forester with eyesight. Can't go fast anyway in NY traffic, then why bother getting a fast car.

Bad roads and STI is like getting a spoon to eat ramen. Doable, but not enjoyable.
Haha comfort isn't actually a HUGE concern of mine (despite how many replies back and forth seem to reference comfort)...I daily drove my old e46 M3 for years, and that thing was a spine buster.

My main concerns were reliability in getting a used one, price relative to what I currently pay (getting something between less than 800 p/m would be great) and if there was a specific generation that is worth getting over another. It seems the consensus is to not get a used one. I can definitely understand that.

With all that being said I've already scouted a few quality used examples (15-17, less than 30k miles) to go see in person. I will also take a look at a few new ones. It looks like the Limited is the one I want, but at brand new Limited is looking kinda pricey.
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Old 08-23-2019, 05:22 PM   #36
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I had a 6MT E46 M3 that I put 16,000 miles on, and I currently daily drive an '08 STi.

M3 had coilovers, camber plates, Pilot Super Sports, and some CSL body pieces, but motor/exhaust were stock. The STi has Cobb's "stage 2" kit on it (downpipe, turbo heat shield, catback, Accessport, and a boost controller) with the OTS Cobb "stage 2" 91 octane tune, it's otherwise stock.

The STi definitely rides rougher than the M3, even though it's on stock suspension. It feels faster, but that could just be the butt dyno adjusting for the extra torque (boost is cool).

The M3 was a better driver's car in every way. I enjoyed the chassis, steering, and transmission much, MUCH more in the M3. The M3 also consistently got better fuel economy. The main reason I got the STi was for the practicality - I can drive it every day year round (handy when living in Nebraska), the hatch is sweet for hauling stuff around, and it's got 4 doors.

It's totally up to you. I'd love to have another E46 or E92 M3, but I wouldn't daily one. The STi is a fantastic daily, even if it doesn't do the weekend stuff quite as well as the M3s do.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:28 PM   #37
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I was looking at a used M3 before I bought my 2019 STI new. Problem with M3/M4's is for the amount of money one pays for those cars, you would expect bulletproof reliability...yet, they are about as reliable as a Range Rover. They really are tough maintenance cars...I have two good friends at work who have both an M3 and M4, and both regret the purchase.

Now, that doesn't say all that much for the STI either....it has it's quirks too. However, from a STOCK perspective, the STI is MUCH EASIER to maintain, CHEAPER to maintain, and MORE RELIABLE than a BMW. You also get an AWD drive-train that is damn near bulletproof....and all this for less than a used M3/M4'.

BMW M cars are nice cars if you spend your time primarily parked underground in downtown and occasionally valeting it at fancy restaurants. They are sexy cars to look at. Everything else, money pit. Just my opinion and personal experience with M cars.
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I was looking at a used M3 before I bought my 2019 STI new. Problem with M3/M4's is for the amount of money one pays for those cars, you would expect bulletproof reliability...yet, they are about as reliable as a Range Rover. They really are tough maintenance cars...I have two good friends at work who have both an M3 and M4, and both regret the purchase.

Now, that doesn't say all that much for the STI either....it has it's quirks too. However, from a STOCK perspective, the STI is MUCH EASIER to maintain, CHEAPER to maintain, and MORE RELIABLE than a BMW. You also get an AWD drive-train that is damn near bulletproof....and all this for less than a used M3/M4'.

BMW M cars are nice cars if you spend your time primarily parked underground in downtown and occasionally valeting it at fancy restaurants. They are sexy cars to look at. Everything else, money pit. Just my opinion and personal experience with M cars.
It's all about preventative maintenance with the M cars.
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Old 08-24-2019, 12:08 PM   #39
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I will also take a look at a few new ones. It looks like the Limited is the one I want, but at brand new Limited is looking kinda pricey.
Limited is a great package imho on the WRX. STI, this is just my personal opinion, should not come with a sunroof. I personally do not like sunroofs on my fun cars because of weight at the highest point of the car (neither my 16 STI base with HK/keyless package nor my Golf-R fully loaded for US market have sun roofs). My WRX Limited does which is my daily driver, but I rarely use the sunroof.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:59 PM   #40
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I went back and forth between owning BMWs and STi's for the ultimate street driving. I ultimately decided on STi for street car and got an older M3 as a track only toy. However, I would exercise caution or avoid the STi altogether if you plan on running the USDM 2.5L STi engine.

Especially if you're coming from a E92 M3, you should absolutely consider swapping in a 2L JDM STI 'EJ207' engine for a number of good reasons. The level of performance and how the power is delivered is more inline with a BMW than the 2.5L is, especially with its 8000+RPM redline. I've thrown 500whp at these engines on pump gas and never experienced any failure in my ~5 years of owning them. Compared to the USDM 2.5L you get track-capable reliability, twin-scroll tubular equal length headers, much thicker cylinder walls (no need for closed deck, sleeves until 700hp), factory big port heads (outflow all except CNC), bigger TMIC just to name a few. In comparison, the 2.5L's overall drive quality, power delivery etc., is nowhere near that of an M car. There is no replacement for displacement and the 2.5L's torque is great for city driving undoubtedly but falls short everywhere else.

JDM Racing Motors are selling a few of the 15+ STi EJ207s, I would only recommend buying a 15+ STi if at some stage you plan on swapping that motor in. 15+ STi is a great street car and with a set of ohlins are stock ride height you will have an incredibly capable sports car that can handle the bumps of NYC. Forget about the 08-14 STi its a totally forgettable car.

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Old 08-26-2019, 09:37 AM   #41
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:22 AM   #42
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I bought myself an STi, A new one, why? The price difference between 15-19 wasn't that massive of a gap. Used STis here go for (EDIT: Looked up prices again, they are cheaper now but I still recommend a new STI.) And IMO the depreciation isn't as horrible as most cars, subbies (specially the blob eyes) hold their prices extremely well.


I ended up with a new STi, I thought 5k more wouldn't hurt me. And I'm more than happy with my decision. But the price for it, living wise, will be between 700-1000 a month since you said you drove a lot, as great as it is so far, gas hurts you, and the realization hits like a truck. Be sure to tell the dealer to either give you all-season, or try and get a deal with winter season tires. And you need, NEED to make sure you keep her in top shape, so i try my best to avoid them. The car is stiff, and so as some people have stated, potholes suck. Though it handles off-road decently, IMO you need better suspension (coilovers and springs).

Performance wise, that's a part for the driver. If you're too scared to drive the crap out of your beamer, an sti wont help you or make you more confident and get at it fully.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:34 AM   #43
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Especially if you're coming from a E92 M3, you should absolutely consider swapping in a 2L JDM STI 'EJ207' engine for a number of good reasons. The level of performance and how the power is delivered is more inline with a BMW than the 2.5L is, especially with its 8000+RPM redline. I've thrown 500whp at these engines on pump gas and never experienced any failure in my ~5 years of owning them. Compared to the USDM 2.5L you get track-capable reliability, twin-scroll tubular equal length headers, much thicker cylinder walls (no need for closed deck, sleeves until 700hp), factory big port heads (outflow all except CNC), bigger TMIC just to name a few. In comparison, the 2.5L's overall drive quality, power delivery etc., is nowhere near that of an M car. There is no replacement for displacement and the 2.5L's torque is great for city driving undoubtedly but falls short everywhere else.

JDM Racing Motors are selling a few of the 15+ STi EJ207s, I would only recommend buying a 15+ STi if at some stage you plan on swapping that motor in. 15+ STi is a great street car and with a set of ohlins are stock ride height you will have an incredibly capable sports car that can handle the bumps of NYC. Forget about the 08-14 STi its a totally forgettable car.
The EJ207 is unarguably the superior engine. The EJ257's extra 463cc of displacement helps with 'off boost' response for daily driving. You don't feel like you're lacking power at part throttle between the extra displacement and short gearing. However, the EJ207 makes more low end torque (and more top-end power) once in boost thanks to its equal length header & twin scroll, ball bearing turbo. While I haven't driven an EJ207, I imagine that it's closer to the FA20's responsiveness, but with more top-end. However, the EJ257 gains the majority of its extra displacement from an increased bore (92 vs 99.5 mm) while the stroke only increases by 4 mm (75 vs 79 mm). This will help keep the same piston speeds similar and should theoretically allow a (built) EJ257 to have a comparable redline to the EJ207.

I stumbled upon this old dyno chart from Subaru the other day:

  • S206: EJ207 with VF58 (ELH, twin scroll, ball bearing turbo)
  • GRB Spec C: EJ207 with VF53 (ELH, twinscroll, ball bearing turbo)
  • GRB: EJ207 with VF49 (ELH, twin scroll, journal/thrust bearing turbo)
  • GVB/GVF: EJ257 with VF48 (UELH, single scroll, 'advanced' journal/thrust bearing turbo)
Notice how late the torque curve comes on and how early it drops off on the EJ257. I know it's a single scroll, journal bearing turbo, but I expected the extra 463cc of displacement to help offset that a bit. I'm sure the UEL header doesn't help the situation either.

It would be interesting to see what the EJ257's power curve looked like in comparison with an ELH & twin scroll, ball bearing turbo. I was really hoping that Subaru would at least put a ball bearing turbo on the S209, but it looks like the HKS unit is still a single scroll, journal bearing turbo.

With that said, I don't think I would ever go through the hassle of swapping EJ207 into my '19 STI unless I magically received a forged S208 engine. Otherwise, I'd just build the EJ257 with stronger internals & head work. Coming from Honda engines like the K20a, F20c & B18c, I certainly miss the 8k+ RPM redline.

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Old 09-13-2019, 11:59 AM   #44
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Just FYI, no clutch cylinder will survive -30F like we experienced in last winter in MI. That is also my most scared downshift I ever experience, pedal didn't follow at all if you know what I mean. Maybe a auto for daily hauling?
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