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Old 07-16-2008, 01:48 PM   #51
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Thanks Mechie3 - now, my opinion? If Nicholi goes into court with that over-inflated 'estimate', he just makes it look like he is blowing the issue out of perspective and it will end up hurting his credibility in the court. If he goes to court with an estimate that is reasonable (in fact, go with at least two estimates) he appears a lot more reasonable, thereby appearing to be very credible in his complaint. just my H O
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get multiple quotes because if you hand that $15K estimate to a judge he will probably laugh at you just like the rest of us have.
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:53 PM   #52
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At this point if it goes to court I won't be handing them anything, a lawyer will, and I will follow their advice. While I agree this estimate is inflated, obviously this is way out of small claims court.

This was posted for people to laugh. who pays $15,000 to repaint a $12,000 car?
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:04 PM   #53
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Ahhhh - - now I feel better. Go get 'em Nicholai!! Good luck to you!
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:15 AM   #54
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I am truly amazed.

Why, have these companies not understood "word of mouth". i know you have heard it enough so ill shut up. You and you subie have my sympathy.

If we can help in anyway, please tell us.
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Old 07-17-2008, 04:47 PM   #55
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All I can say is that Nick Orso Sucks. THis is why. I just got done refinishing my 03 WRX rear bumper cover and did exactly the same thing. But luckily 2nd time was a charm. Here is some knowledge on how on Suby paints. First it a two coat system, base and then final clear coat. So heres where I went wrong and I think Nick Body did too. So when mixing the paint (I got it from ppg) are supposed to 1-1 with reducer I did not, I sprayed it straight and it ended up looking like a metalflake mess. 2nd issue was the PSI I was spraying it at you have to spray the basecoat at 30-45 psi and clear at 50-60 psi to get perfection. I have experiance with spraying paint since that is my ****ty daytime job so I figured I would give it a try, worked well. Hope you get it right!
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Old 07-17-2008, 05:19 PM   #56
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OMG 14 for that? 14 would have gotten you a amazing lil bugeye. WOW i am shocked over this
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:05 PM   #57
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they're better off to just take your $14,000 and buy you another bugeye in immaculate condition.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:24 PM   #58
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Don't forget to call all your local ABC, CBS , NBC news stations....most are always looking for a "help the little guy that got scammed" kinda story.

Seriously, see if your local news has anything investigative reporting team to help you out. Call them all. And email them too.

Seriously.

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Maybe post over on CNYSubarus too,some good guys there that might be able to help you out (connections, etc)
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Old 07-17-2008, 07:02 PM   #59
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All I can say is that Nick Orso Sucks.
Nick Orso didn't do the paint job, they just gave a quote to fix all the stuff that the other body shop messed up.
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Old 07-18-2008, 12:39 AM   #60
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omg..... omg... omg....

wow, this thread is insane. i need to get this strait before i have a nervous breakdown for you....!!!!!

so you took your car to get a windshield replaced, and while doing this simple 15 minute job, they managed to wreck your paint to the point where it needed to be repainted?

and that is the result of the repaint? holy hell man...

you need to get a lawyer asap, and get this shop to fix what they did to your car. a simple windsheild replacement should not come to a 15k lawsuit... seriously. that original shop sucks. they will lose this case, its almost guaranteed.
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Old 07-18-2008, 02:36 AM   #61
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^^ You nailed it man. Pretty insane. Thanks for the kind words.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:58 AM   #62
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i dont think anyone mentioned this yet, but why not sue for legal fees also? that way the shop pays for the lawyer too, if they ****ed up your car that bad they deserve to.
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Old 07-18-2008, 01:13 PM   #63
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i dont think anyone mentioned this yet, but why not sue for legal fees also? that way the shop pays for the lawyer too, if they ****ed up your car that bad they deserve to.
well yeah definitely. op, you need to sue for a new paintjob from a reputable company, legal fees, and for a replacement rental car.
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:37 AM   #64
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The bottom line here is . The shop that originally tried to repair your car SUCKS !! BAD !! Any idiot that has been in the body repair industry for more than a minute knows when trying to match a metalic a test panel or panels are required to get the paint to match . even the PPG codes are off a little ( a test panel is a peice of the same substrate that is to be painted that is primed with different color primers and then painted with the coded paint formula ) its then compaired to the car to be painted SO 1 , you know what color primer to paint over . 2, know if the shade is correct . 3, have a direct compairison of how the metalic lays and matches to the existing paint ... its not rocket science . and I only did paint work for a little less than 2 years . I can tell from your photos that the metalic they used was a medium flake and the paint was sprayed over a dark or black primer / sealer horrible job !!! I would fight them in court no question . hell I would have just painted the entire car what did you get from the insurance co . people think painting an entire car is such a big deal I personally would rather paint the entire thing than blend or fiddle around with repairs . but that is just me . for compairison I have painted cars outside ( friends crappers ) that came out better looking than that .
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:15 PM   #65
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I have absolute full coverage State Farm.

They paid for the job. Wrote estimate, cut a check, I went and had the work done. I did not call looking for them to cover it, actually called looking for the photos they took of my car a week or two before I had the work done. I asked while I was on the phone. Their position is because they already paid for the job, they should not have to pay a second time. The shop should pay, and if I had to I should take them to court. This was not the final ruling, They told me I could persist and press it and we would see what happened. I got dropped by State Farm residential after my house was robbed when I lived in Memphis, Tennessee, trying not to get dropped because I've been with them since I was 16, 14 years now. Good rates. Guess thats worthless if they won't pay.
Umm.. my insurance gives me the right to refuse the quality of work on my car.. I hate state farm! was this body shop on an approved list for your insurance? Sounds like you are being taken by the insurance company and the body shop. 1 I wouldn't pay a thing for what they did.. and 2 you need to lawyer up and bitch out your insurance company. like you said, they are worth nothing if they won't pay out, and they "should" want their customers happy with the work they are cutting checks for!
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Old 07-19-2008, 10:09 PM   #66
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I assume you are going to get a lawyer? Make sure the lawyer you pick works for a percentage and not hourly. Also research this to see what you are entitled to. You might find that in your state there is a damage multiplier. You will need it to cover the repaint and the lawyers cut.

I know in IL you do not have to use an "approved" shop from your insurance company. Obviously the estimate has to be reasonable but other than that you can pick the shop.

That estimate looks pretty high unless there is a lot of incidental damage. I would expect ~6K for a repaint.
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:17 AM   #67
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I'd be so pissed, I'm so sorry for that.
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Old 07-20-2008, 03:38 AM   #68
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Thanks for the advice and stuff, everyone. The shop was not an approved one (doesn't matter to my insurance), but the funny thing was the guy who did run the approved one in my town said the shop that ruined my car did good work, along with three other people including the insurance adjuster.

I am still trying to figure out what the real $ number is before I go further, so much crap is being thrown at me. The trim around the doors and back windows should probably be replaced, that and the headliner, steering wheel, trim around both interior lights, below front seat belt trim, back two plastic interior panels, plus fenders, hood, a pillars, roof and wing need sanding and paint.

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Old 07-20-2008, 07:26 AM   #69
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Here is some knowledge on how on Suby paints. First it a two coat system, base and then final clear coat.
Generalisations aside, not all Subaru paint is a 2 element system (the techically correct term for what you're describing is 'clear over base/COB'). The solid colours like red and white are usually painted in a DG (Direct Gloss) system which doesn't use a clear coat final step. And with PPG COB's, it's 3 medium-wet coats of base and usually 2-3 coats of clearcoat, with the appropriate flash-off time between coats. The DG system is 2-3 coats.

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So when mixing the paint (I got it from ppg) are supposed to 1-1 with reducer I did not, I sprayed it straight and it ended up looking like a metalflake mess. 2nd issue was the PSI I was spraying it at you have to spray the basecoat at 30-45 psi and clear at 50-60 psi to get perfection. I have experiance with spraying paint since that is my ****ty daytime job so I figured I would give it a try, worked well.
This is what I am having a lot of trouble understanding. No offense, but you say that you are a painter by trade.......so why would you be 'trying' something. It should be second nature to you - anyone who paints for a job would just go ahead and do it. By what you've written, it sounds like this is your first time painting something.

By the way, according to PPG themselves, they recommend spraying their basecoat at between 25-35psi maximum, not anywhere near 45psi. (Source: http://corporateportal.ppg.com/NR/rd...ttleEffect.pdf).

Also, there isn't one type of COB system that I know of that tells you to spray 100% without reduction. PPG is 1:1 and DuPont is usually 1:0.8.

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Old 07-20-2008, 11:11 PM   #70
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Thanks for the advice and stuff, everyone. The shop was not an approved one (doesn't matter to my insurance), but the funny thing was the guy who did run the approved one in my town said the shop that ruined my car did good work, along with three other people including the insurance adjuster.

I am still trying to figure out what the real $ number is before I go further, so much crap is being thrown at me. The trim around the doors and back windows should probably be replaced, that and the headliner, steering wheel, trim around both interior lights, below front seat belt trim, back two plastic interior panels, plus fenders, hood, a pillars, roof and wing need sanding and paint.
Sorry to see this has not progressed to court yet.

I would recommend just going to a Subaru dealership, find the shop they use for maintenance/ body repairs. Get an estimate there..... i would recommend going to the nearest large city - sounds weird, but it seems like the car business in your town is run by mobsters - haha.

Then sue the company the replaced you windshield for the damages incurred, and then the body shop for the damages incurred.

Definitely have both shops reimburse your lawyer and rental service. Also, i would not get the body work done in your town again.

Just find a good lawyer and give him all the evidence you have collected..... because $14,000 for a new paint job is robbery and those responsible deserve to get punished.

Just to be a dick, i would report the insurance agent to your insurance carrier and explain the situation. I feel he might have a personal ties to the body shop. Then for the cherry, definitely report the shop to the BBB and get the local newspaper to report the story; they are always looking for free stories.
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:25 PM   #71
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Here is a good example for you...

My car went from this:

To this:

For about $8000...
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:36 AM   #72
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When I had my car repainted 3 months ago, the paint on one of my side skirts started peeling after 1 week. I later found a few spots on the car that had not been buffed and were rough.
The owner of the body shop fired the guy who did all the work on my car (the guy was a lazy POS that took 4 days longer than I was promised after waiting 3 days to start on it after I delivered the car and then ****ed up my car) after I returned showing him my car.

My car is back in the body shop right now and he is fixing everything.

Wish your shop was as kool as mine. Sorry man!!!!
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:46 AM   #73
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wow thats terrible, complete BS about the cost.

I had my celica compleatly redone stripped the entire car, took the bumpers down to bare plastic, redid my lip kit including re-installation and did the whole 9 yards etc. turned out flawless for right around 3.5k (granted I was friends with the shop owner and it was getting the same color but still) 14k is beyond anything I could emagine unless everything on the body needs to be replaced, but the shop is responsable for that damage, I would not have accepted the car after that was done to it, call a lawyer and make them fix it/replace it!!!!
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:34 AM   #74
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id rather take a cumshot in the mouth then pay 14k on that paint job
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Old 07-21-2008, 09:27 AM   #75
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id rather take a cumshot in the mouth then pay 14k on that paint job
Geez, is $14K all it would take?
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