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Old 05-15-2010, 06:26 PM   #126
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omg

i still cant get over the final price!
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Old 05-15-2010, 06:44 PM   #127
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You could've driven to NJ and left that parked under a bridge and gotten better work for free. I could be your lawyer and win this case. And I'm an Air Force jet mechanic...
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Old 05-16-2010, 03:56 AM   #128
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enter the reason I hate owning a car.....you just never know who's working on your car. When I went to get my windows tinted the guy kept screwing up and cussing a storm, which I could hear from the waiting area. I took my car without paying him a cent since there was nothing on it and brought it to someone else. This was a guy with numerous recommendations from local forums, just had a bad day I guess. Good luck with getting this straightened out!
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Old 05-17-2010, 01:51 PM   #129
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Geez, is $14K all it would take?

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Old 05-24-2010, 07:37 PM   #130
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according to his member#, he is very new... let's all give him a break
thank you.....yes i am new to the subie world and learning fast....got my starts from bein in the import world.....im an autobody tech so when i saw those numbers.....my jaw dropped!!!! I would quit the shop i work at if my boss quoted somebody something that stupid crazy
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:24 AM   #131
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thank you.....yes i am new to the subie world and learning fast....got my starts from bein in the import world.....im an autobody tech so when i saw those numbers.....my jaw dropped!!!! I would quit the shop i work at if my boss quoted somebody something that stupid crazy
how long have you been a tech? and have you always lived in georgia? the cost would vary from area to area especially since the labor rate, taxes, and material costs would vary from area to area as well.
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:39 PM   #132
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been a tech all my life.....on the books about 3. Yea i know rates vary....but still, thats freakin waaaaaay high!
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:45 PM   #133
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First off, the shop needs to be sued. You need a lawyer and you need to harass you insurance company until they get it together.
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Old 05-31-2010, 12:09 AM   #134
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just kill them all!!!!!!!
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Old 01-06-2017, 03:33 PM   #135
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Hi, This is Nick Orso's Body Shop owner, I'm Mike Orso

First, I was reading this string in horror posted 8 years ago and still active. No resolution was posted. A customer of mine made mention that someone was complaining about OUR work on this site. Not true.

First it was NOT made clear until string #29 that Nick Orso's DID NOTHING WRONG!!! Second; explaining why we were hired and what OUR estimate constitutes. That why I make this statement.

I do NOT know who repaired this vehicle. Other than who may have replaced the window glass that originally causing the damage.

We were hired to complete a "post repair" inspection of the vehicle and to itemize potential cost of RE-REPAIR.

We complete many "post repair" inspections of work completed by offending shops and car dealers minimum fee if we put pen to paper so to speak is, $100.00. Most repairs are a mess, are unsafe and so bad that the car can't be and rightfully should not be economically saved.

Furthermore. The labor rate to "re-repair" a botched repair by me is posted: At $95- $175.00/hour. Take it or leave it!!! This estimate is <> 9 years old rates have gone up since this estimates was prepared.

Repairing a botched repair IS much harder. There is higher costs to me in technical labor, and its very time intensive. It's a lot more difficult to re-repair a botched repair considering management's time, the phone calls, meetings, with 3-4 different parties, explaining details, documentation and pure effort. The risk of liability is substantial as many things can go wrong.. I could be doing two or three cars in the same time it takes to fix one botched repair. And I don't make many friends other than the customers who listen, follow directives. Those I can help.

It takes a toll us mentally managing re-repairs. Very often, realistically, the result is the car is re-classified as a total loss as the offending insurance company pulls the $$ rip-cord and bails out. They realize it's more practical to buy the car, (totals it) sell the salvage and nets out their cost. The owner goes away somewhat made whole if they can negotiate a total loss value they can live with. That's a story for another day.

We prepared the re-repair estimate on this car and explained to the owner to contact his insurance company SF because they SHOULD cover it. I know that happened because we always do. Very often people have "selective hearing" and miss important instructions and details and don't take notes. I see SF did respond with a offer but way low after a long delay, denials and defending their B/S positions.

First the damage done by the offending shop is damage that flowed from the window claim. I'll bet lunch Nich0lai was told by his insurance company WHO to call to install that window glass in the first place? So if he was referred to a glass vendor by SF. SF holds responsibility for what happens. The good, the bad and the ugly.

AND, AND if the "damage" is repaired as a result of that negligence the vehicle re-repair cost is covered by SF and a rental too. It's further covered under the "comprehensive" portion of his policy if the vendor resists. That vendor who damaged this car with his tools, apparently that power knife used to cut the window out and tech who made all the scratches and chips is no different than a hammer or ice-pick that a vandal would use to scratch or damage the car. BTW. We see lots of cars damaged by the driveway glass kings, beware.

If the new damage is paid under "comprehensive", nich0lai would have to pay another deductible BUT he would get that $$ back once SF settled with the other shop. Saving all that time and effort, attorney and court costs. His deductible is surely less than a lawyer I bet? Which all you sue crazies must realize court is a 3-4 year process and he can't get attorney fees in NY. Of course if another claim is submitted he'd have to convince SF to acknowledge the claim, pay off and that is a chore in and of itself as they don't want to pay as you can see they offered little to no help AT ALL!! Thus telling nich0lai he had to fight it out with the offending shop on his own hoping he goes away. Why would they help him? That costs money!!! I'll tell you this...they do pay all the time. I handle many claims with SF, many botched cars are totaled to avoid bigger battles. Persistence pays off.

Think about why they have to pay: If someone were to walk up your driveway and ice-pick scratch your car it's covered right? You may not know who the perpetrator is but it's covered if you have comprehensive ins. right? The insurance company would then pay the claim, right? Well, in this case we know who damaged the car, we got the perpetrator!! Right? While the insurance company may fight it, they should do the right thing and pay to resolve the claim. All the insurance has to do is go after the offending shop. That shop damaged your car right? they damaged the insured property. Most shops have liability coverage so their garage-keepers policy would ultimately have to step in and pay off.

All the fees and charges on our $14K estimate are fees we have a right to charge, like it or not! I don't care how much the car is worth. It's irrelevant. All you whiners do not get the point. You don't know real world business liability. Remember we NEVER repaired this car!!! I was not looking to repair the car, when I wrote the estimate. I offered an "opinion" on what it would take to properly identify and re-repair a vehicle if-I- had-to-do-it based on manufacturer recommended procedures and that statement is printed on the estimate. I write estimates with the potential of someday having to produce supporting testimony in a deposition or court appearance which is $250 per hour extra. Most cases we get into never make it to trial they settle out. Not many people can afford to survive a trial cost wise. This is not TV.

Back to estimates. Often stripping paint is required due to paint thickness and our underlying concern is that if we paint over a bad paint job and it peels it will take the new paint job with it and then I'd be liable and my paint company would NOT honor the paint warranty. If the other shop was that sloppy...and who knows how they prepared the areas, what they painted over, the brand of paint a they used the first time, how my paint may react or what protocol was followed? This car was a visual mess! Who wants to assume that liability?? I'm not! I didn't damage the car!

This car had to be taken all a part. Lots of stuff can break. Lots of stuff is already damaged ie headliner and trim. Interior had overspray everywhere. Jambs were all over sprayed. Some trim is broken others not reusable. Emblems can't be reused. Glass has to come out and seals on doors and glass replaced. It's a big job, no one in their right mind really wants to do it. Remember I'm not working in your backyard for beer and pizza. This is a business. I pay salaries for techs, parts people, receptionist, managers, heat lights, insurance, taxes, rent and utilities. AND I don't take in every car that rolls in our driveway. We are selective.

AND I offer limited help unless hired. Some people know it all and don't want help.

I hope this clears up some of the questions I read as you guys all "eat your young." Some comments; "I know a guy who can do it cheaper" is not the issue here, you missed the point!!! Fixing it in someone's back yard is also not the issue. This is not about the cheapest estimate or the highest estimate. Someone will always do it cheaper!!! I was trying to make the point that THIS car was butchered. My goal was to get attention for nich0lai that he's getting ducked. Best thing for nich0lai back in 2008 was to get another car.

Don't hesitate to email if you have other questions. If you need my help I'm here. But please leave all your backyard B/S home. I hope SF stepped up and took care of this matter. Check out Wreck Checks on our website: nick orso dot com. I'm not giving legal advise. I'm giving you practical advice. Check with your lawyer, if you can find one interested or who understands the subject matter. We advise them too.

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Old 01-06-2017, 10:37 PM   #136
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Glad you cleared the air. Everybody from 2008 wanted to know what really happened.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:26 AM   #137
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lmao, dude the last post on this was 7years ago.

you clearly don't know how the internet works because it was dead, and you just brought it back to life. prepare for a **** storm lol
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Old 01-10-2017, 12:26 PM   #138
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That really sucks, good luck
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Old 01-10-2017, 01:16 PM   #139
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Hi, This is Nick Orso's Body Shop owner, I'm Mike Orso

First, I was reading this string in horror posted 8 years ago and still active. No resolution was posted. A customer of mine made mention that someone was complaining about OUR work on this site. Not true.

First it was NOT made clear until string #29 that Nick Orso's DID NOTHING WRONG!!! Second; explaining why we were hired and what OUR estimate constitutes. That why I make this statement.

I do NOT know who repaired this vehicle. Other than who may have replaced the window glass that originally causing the damage.

We were hired to complete a "post repair" inspection of the vehicle and to itemize potential cost of RE-REPAIR.

We complete many "post repair" inspections of work completed by offending shops and car dealers minimum fee if we put pen to paper so to speak is, $100.00. Most repairs are a mess, are unsafe and so bad that the car can't be and rightfully should not be economically saved.

Furthermore. The labor rate to "re-repair" a botched repair by me is posted: At $95- $175.00/hour. Take it or leave it!!! This estimate is <> 9 years old rates have gone up since this estimates was prepared.

Repairing a botched repair IS much harder. There is higher costs to me in technical labor, and its very time intensive. It's a lot more difficult to re-repair a botched repair considering management's time, the phone calls, meetings, with 3-4 different parties, explaining details, documentation and pure effort. The risk of liability is substantial as many things can go wrong.. I could be doing two or three cars in the same time it takes to fix one botched repair. And I don't make many friends other than the customers who listen, follow directives. Those I can help.

It takes a toll us mentally managing re-repairs. Very often, realistically, the result is the car is re-classified as a total loss as the offending insurance company pulls the $$ rip-cord and bails out. They realize it's more practical to buy the car, (totals it) sell the salvage and nets out their cost. The owner goes away somewhat made whole if they can negotiate a total loss value they can live with. That's a story for another day.

We prepared the re-repair estimate on this car and explained to the owner to contact his insurance company SF because they SHOULD cover it. I know that happened because we always do. Very often people have "selective hearing" and miss important instructions and details and don't take notes. I see SF did respond with a offer but way low after a long delay, denials and defending their B/S positions.

First the damage done by the offending shop is damage that flowed from the window claim. I'll bet lunch Nich0lai was told by his insurance company WHO to call to install that window glass in the first place? So if he was referred to a glass vendor by SF. SF holds responsibility for what happens. The good, the bad and the ugly.

AND, AND if the "damage" is repaired as a result of that negligence the vehicle re-repair cost is covered by SF and a rental too. It's further covered under the "comprehensive" portion of his policy if the vendor resists. That vendor who damaged this car with his tools, apparently that power knife used to cut the window out and tech who made all the scratches and chips is no different than a hammer or ice-pick that a vandal would use to scratch or damage the car. BTW. We see lots of cars damaged by the driveway glass kings, beware.

If the new damage is paid under "comprehensive", nich0lai would have to pay another deductible BUT he would get that $$ back once SF settled with the other shop. Saving all that time and effort, attorney and court costs. His deductible is surely less than a lawyer I bet? Which all you sue crazies must realize court is a 3-4 year process and he can't get attorney fees in NY. Of course if another claim is submitted he'd have to convince SF to acknowledge the claim, pay off and that is a chore in and of itself as they don't want to pay as you can see they offered little to no help AT ALL!! Thus telling nich0lai he had to fight it out with the offending shop on his own hoping he goes away. Why would they help him? That costs money!!! I'll tell you this...they do pay all the time. I handle many claims with SF, many botched cars are totaled to avoid bigger battles. Persistence pays off.

Think about why they have to pay: If someone were to walk up your driveway and ice-pick scratch your car it's covered right? You may not know who the perpetrator is but it's covered if you have comprehensive ins. right? The insurance company would then pay the claim, right? Well, in this case we know who damaged the car, we got the perpetrator!! Right? While the insurance company may fight it, they should do the right thing and pay to resolve the claim. All the insurance has to do is go after the offending shop. That shop damaged your car right? they damaged the insured property. Most shops have liability coverage so their garage-keepers policy would ultimately have to step in and pay off.

All the fees and charges on our $14K estimate are fees we have a right to charge, like it or not! I don't care how much the car is worth. It's irrelevant. All you whiners do not get the point. You don't know real world business liability. Remember we NEVER repaired this car!!! I was not looking to repair the car, when I wrote the estimate. I offered an "opinion" on what it would take to properly identify and re-repair a vehicle if-I- had-to-do-it based on manufacturer recommended procedures and that statement is printed on the estimate. I write estimates with the potential of someday having to produce supporting testimony in a deposition or court appearance which is $250 per hour extra. Most cases we get into never make it to trial they settle out. Not many people can afford to survive a trial cost wise. This is not TV.

Back to estimates. Often stripping paint is required due to paint thickness and our underlying concern is that if we paint over a bad paint job and it peels it will take the new paint job with it and then I'd be liable and my paint company would NOT honor the paint warranty. If the other shop was that sloppy...and who knows how they prepared the areas, what they painted over, the brand of paint a they used the first time, how my paint may react or what protocol was followed? This car was a visual mess! Who wants to assume that liability?? I'm not! I didn't damage the car!

This car had to be taken all a part. Lots of stuff can break. Lots of stuff is already damaged ie headliner and trim. Interior had overspray everywhere. Jambs were all over sprayed. Some trim is broken others not reusable. Emblems can't be reused. Glass has to come out and seals on doors and glass replaced. It's a big job, no one in their right mind really wants to do it. Remember I'm not working in your backyard for beer and pizza. This is a business. I pay salaries for techs, parts people, receptionist, managers, heat lights, insurance, taxes, rent and utilities. AND I don't take in every car that rolls in our driveway. We are selective.

AND I offer limited help unless hired. Some people know it all and don't want help.

I hope this clears up some of the questions I read as you guys all "eat your young." Some comments; "I know a guy who can do it cheaper" is not the issue here, you missed the point!!! Fixing it in someone's back yard is also not the issue. This is not about the cheapest estimate or the highest estimate. Someone will always do it cheaper!!! I was trying to make the point that THIS car was butchered. My goal was to get attention for nich0lai that he's getting ducked. Best thing for nich0lai back in 2008 was to get another car.

Don't hesitate to email if you have other questions. If you need my help I'm here. But please leave all your backyard B/S home. I hope SF stepped up and took care of this matter. Check out Wreck Checks on our website: nick orso dot com. I'm not giving legal advise. I'm giving you practical advice. Check with your lawyer, if you can find one interested or who understands the subject matter. We advise them too.
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:08 PM   #140
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Nick Orso and his shop did not do anything wrong to me, they are just the people who wrote the high estimate.
No one accused you of anything NickOrso - why the post 9 years later?

The OP hasn't even logged into NASIOC in over a year lol

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Old 01-18-2017, 05:16 PM   #141
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lmao, dude the last post on this was 7years ago.

you clearly don't know how the internet works because it was dead, and you just brought it back to life. prepare for a **** storm lol
Ahhh, forums. The thread lives here in perpetuity... It was brought to his attention. So he writes his side of the story in a thread that will forever pop up if someone is researching his business on the internet.

Would it make more sense to start a new thread?? Nope. So he did fine (from a real world business aspect), except he broke the unspoken, time-based forum ethical code.

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Old 01-18-2017, 06:27 PM   #142
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I'm sure glad to hear this isn't TV and to learn how a real business is run. We're all idiots here. Did someone pay you $175 an hour to type that worthless wall of text? Here are more crap reviews. https://www.yelp.com/biz/nick-orsos-body-shop-syracuse

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Old 02-12-2017, 11:30 PM   #143
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Good luck with the suit. It is an awful job and I feel bad for y. Jeep us in the loop. Thx
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Old 02-19-2017, 08:31 PM   #144
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WTF Shop quoted you that? Did you laugh in their face, crinkle it up and throw it in their face, and say what the **** is this? That is the most rediculous **** I have seen.
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Old 02-20-2017, 02:13 PM   #145
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I sure am glad he taught us how to paint and fix a car in his nine page post.
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:57 AM   #146
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They painted you car with the angel tears and holy water bro. You got 50 more whp and a lifetime of Big Macs. Oh and a free voucher to become president.

Great Deal!
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:24 PM   #147
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"It's a big job, no one in their right mind really wants to do it."

Summed up in one sentence. Over inflated price to show to court, insurance company etc with no intent of ever doing the job.
High quotes/estimates scare of the reasonable owner and create an artificial market for those seeking a high quality repair.



As an aside "Paint company warranty" as if !
No paint company does that in real terms due to the endless reasons that can be given for denying any claim.
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