Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Tuesday October 15, 2019
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Service & Maintenance

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-21-2011, 03:16 PM   #51
tcarter
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12366
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Birmingham, AL
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
WRB

Default

Yah I was really thinking about just taking to to get it emptied out, then in my own time replace the parts and take it to get it oiled/charged. I just didn't want to pay for that part when I'm capable of doing it myself.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
tcarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 03-21-2011, 07:37 PM   #52
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Fast4U1DAY View Post
The A/C system is one of the things on a car that you absolutely should not touch, unless you are Section 609 certified
609 certified just means you remembered to say I won't vent CFCs to the atmosphere when asked.

It has no technical qualification implications.
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 09:48 PM   #53
2Fast4U1DAY
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 250152
Join Date: Jun 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Pennsylvania
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Limited
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rick-l

609 certified just means you remembered to say I won't vent CFCs to the atmosphere when asked.

It has no technical qualification implications.
It most certainly qualifies you to service other peoples systems. Without it you could be subject to hefty fines. And its not just about not venting to atmosphere (though you could be fined $25k+ if caught doing so).
2Fast4U1DAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 10:27 PM   #54
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Fast4U1DAY View Post
It most certainly qualifies you to service other peoples systems. Without it you could be subject to hefty fines. And its not just about not venting to atmosphere (though you could be fined $25k+ if caught doing so).
You should go to EPA.gov and read about it. All it lets you do is buy CFCs like r-12

EDIT: $19.99 and an open book on-line test and you too could be EPA 609 certified. And to pass the test, repeat after me: "I will not vent refrigerant to the atmosphere".

RE-EDIT It went down in price.

Last edited by rick-l; 03-22-2011 at 01:28 AM.
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2011, 10:37 PM   #55
Wrencher86
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 250463
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Evanston, Il
Vehicle:
2010 Impreza 2.5i
Silver

Default

Section 609 certifies you to work on other peoples A/C systems. It has very little bearing on technical knowledge of A/C systems. And technically, only one person in a shop has to be 609 certified.


I agree, though, that giving Jimmy a can of Autozone refrigerant (SEALANT! ICK!!) is a recipe for environmental, financial (on Jimmy's part), and automotive disaster. You're not going to get the correct charge by shaking a can until a cheap gauge set reads a certain PSI. You need an accurate, digital scale.

Long story short: You might save hundreds doing the work yourself or you might **** your A/C system up even more and cost yourself a LOT more money than just paying a pro in the first place.
















Sealant=
Wrencher86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 01:26 AM   #56
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

609 certifies you have had training to handle refrigerant. It doesn't
say you know squat about air conditioning.
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 08:47 AM   #57
2Fast4U1DAY
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 250152
Join Date: Jun 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Pennsylvania
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Limited
OBP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrencher86
Section 609 certifies you to work on other peoples A/C systems. It has very little bearing on technical knowledge of A/C systems. And technically, only one person in a shop has to be 609 certified.

I agree, though, that giving Jimmy a can of Autozone refrigerant (SEALANT! ICK!!) is a recipe for environmental, financial (on Jimmy's part), and automotive disaster. You're not going to get the correct charge by shaking a can until a cheap gauge set reads a certain PSI. You need an accurate, digital scale.

Long story short: You might save hundreds doing the work yourself or you might **** your A/C system up even more and cost yourself a LOT more money than just paying a pro in the first place.

Sealant=
If only one person is certified, than only that person can work on the system. It's not a shop certification. Its a per person certification. Working on someone elses system for profit without the certification is a violation of Federal law.
2Fast4U1DAY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 09:26 PM   #58
z
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 41762
Join Date: Aug 2003
Chapter/Region: International
Location: House of Pancakes
Vehicle:
04 STi
in ur Floriduh

Default

I'm getting a little 'chirp' from the A/C fan clutch every time the clutch engages.

Anyone know much about this? Can I replace just the fan clutch on the compressor?
(or throw some grease in there somewhere?)
z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2011, 10:54 PM   #59
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

Probably the belt is a little loose. Per the manual to have a used belt deflect 3/10 of an inch when you put 22 lbs force on it is incredibly tight.
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2011, 10:04 AM   #60
z
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 41762
Join Date: Aug 2003
Chapter/Region: International
Location: House of Pancakes
Vehicle:
04 STi
in ur Floriduh

Default

^Cool, i'll check that out.
I had recently taken everything off to pull the motor so I may have left it a little loose.
z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2011, 02:05 AM   #61
HellaWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 261374
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Sacramento, CA
Vehicle:
2012 Legacy 2.5i
Dark grey metalic

Default

Just ordered a condensor w/dryer and expansion valve from here: http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php
Got a high pressure hose from a member here and going to follow the DIY when it all arrives.
HellaWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 12:38 PM   #62
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

Is the hose bad? Mine it was just the o-ring. That fitting sees a lot of heat and vibration.

If you get a used hose you want new o-rings anyway. lubricate them with PAG100 oil. belive it or not the amount in the manual for the condeser is 1/4 ounce???

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1780808
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 02:34 PM   #63
HellaWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 261374
Join Date: Oct 2010
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Sacramento, CA
Vehicle:
2012 Legacy 2.5i
Dark grey metalic

Default

Replaced the O-ring on the high pressure hose at the compressor still had a leak. After cleaning all of the lines so leaks would show up easier I noticed dots of AC oil (and UV dye) equa-distant apart along the rubber hose eventually dripping down... I assumed the hose was bad

Received some parts still waiting on the rest to start the project.

I'm replacing:

Condenser and dryer
Expansion valve
high pressure hose (have spare low pressure)
and Fram ventilation filter (while i'm in there behind the glove box)

I'm thinking of getting the system pumped and recharged by a professional instead of buying a pump (no one rents them around here), manifold tubes, and recharge can. Depending on what they will charge $$$... no pun intended
HellaWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 07:43 PM   #64
tcarter
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12366
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Birmingham, AL
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
WRB

Default

Quick question. If your AC is cold for 1-5 minutes then goes warmer and warmer to the point of not being AC at all is that a sign of bad condenser/dryer? I have no leaks at all it was tested for leaks. Should I replace the condenser/dryer and expansion valve? Or could it be the compressor? I am getting the system discharged and doing the other work myself and then taking it back for the recharge. Should I replace everything or just the condenser/dryer and expansion valve?
tcarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2011, 11:20 PM   #65
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

When it hasn't been cooling for a while and you park the car does it leave a big puddle of water under it (evaporator frozen up)?

Do you have gauges to see what the pressures are when it is not cooling (expansion valve sticking)?
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2011, 09:03 AM   #66
tcarter
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12366
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Birmingham, AL
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
WRB

Default

I have no gauges. Yeah I think it did leave more water under the car than a normal AC would. I'm not 100% positive as I gave up on AC about 3 years ago. I was just getting back to it and thinking about fixing it. If it is freezing up and there are no leaks what is the next step?
tcarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2011, 02:02 PM   #67
rick-l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 33868
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chesterfield, MO
Vehicle:
2003 wrx
srp

Default

Looking at your post again 1-5 minutes would be pretty quick to form ice on the evaporator but there is a TSB about that: Look herehttp://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...orator+ice+tsb

You could be just low on r-134. You can look at the pressures to see if the evaporator is starved.

Unfortunately the only way to fill it is to start from zero either by removing all the r-134 or if it all leaked out and you pulled it to vacuum.

You could do a search for expansion valve and see if your symptoms match

If you got some gauges and a thermometer you could ask a question over at this palce. http://www.autoacforum.com/categories.cfm?catid=2 The guys that run it know this stuff.
rick-l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2011, 06:11 PM   #68
cueballsi
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 202736
Join Date: Feb 2009
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle:
2002 WRX- 6spd - MBP
1992 Civic VX 40MPG

Default

good info
cueballsi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2011, 09:28 PM   #69
txl146
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 32459
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NY
Vehicle:
02 WRX VF34 (SOLD)
Junior Tuned 301whp

Default

How's AC system in you guys' Subaru? Do you really have to crank up the A/C to get the cold air going? Also, RPM / vacuum shifts significantly to the point it's annoying to drive at times.

That's my observation on my 02 WRX after I did work to replace expansion valve and condenser/drier.
txl146 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2011, 10:07 PM   #70
NitroTrike
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 62408
Join Date: May 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: GWR, Florida
Vehicle:
2002 wrx w/ STi guts
174k miles on Mobil 1

Default

No problems here on my 02, original compressor and almost 150k. Just had to replace the top compressor o-ring. I get a pretty steady 40 degrees out of the center vent whether I'm idling in traffic, or on the highway.
NitroTrike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2011, 06:11 AM   #71
oguitar
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 206720
Join Date: Mar 2009
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: Albuquerque NM
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
Silver

Default

In the extreme heat of summer my AC seems to get heat soaked. If I am moving it works great but if I get stuck in traffic it does not seem to work so well.
oguitar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2011, 02:46 PM   #72
Luizwrx
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 188577
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Conroe, Texas
Vehicle:
2003 EJ207
PSM

Default

Hey guys do i have to put some type of ac conditionor on the o rings?
Luizwrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2012, 10:02 AM   #73
Parky50
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 292176
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Vehicle:
2012 GR STi Hatch
DGM

Default

Anybody know the Autozone part # for the o-rings listed in the first post?
Parky50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2012, 12:28 PM   #74
stompinstu
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 189330
Join Date: Sep 2008
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Fresno/Idaho Falls
Vehicle:
2008 Impreza STI
White

Default

2Fast4U1DAY must work for Oshlapa. he's so worried about being compliant that he forgot that the government works for him. not the other way around.
subject to heft fines just means 'we can legally tax you more money'. and its not illegal unless you get caught. I dont need them one bit, but they sure as hell need us. the EPA is a joke. any government program is a joke.

i'll change my stance on the above when this statement proves to be false: 'If throwing money at people worked, then it would have worked by now.'
stompinstu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2012, 10:13 AM   #75
Dat8687
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 243261
Join Date: Apr 2010
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Forney
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
Java black pearl

Default

MY ac went out.. The clutch on the compressor messed up. You can turn it but then it gets hard to turn then easy to turn then impossible to turn.

1,100 to fix.. Getting done now at the dealership. Replacing the compressor and other parts as well
Dat8687 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Auto AC Repair...Fix teh hole or replace the line? volume311 Off-Topic 17 08-03-2013 10:57 AM
DIY AC Air filter clean Liberty1996 Legacy Forum 3 07-11-2006 10:50 PM
AC repair question - Is the repair suggested reasonable? Malik Service & Maintenance 4 06-17-2005 12:47 PM
HELP: home furnace/ac repair subie2b Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 0 08-20-2004 05:20 PM
Home AC Repair suggestions... kschmohl Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 8 07-01-2004 02:54 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2019 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.