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Old 06-15-2020, 11:36 AM   #1
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So I bought an S209 in March right before covid put us on lockdown here in California. Over the past 3 months of owning it Iíve put 1600 miles on it. Last Sunday I was driving it and the check engine light came on. I took it into Subaru dealership Monday and they pulled the code and it showed one of the spark plugs was misfiring. Subaru said they wanted to pressure test the cylinder just to make sure there were no issues. They pressure tested the cylinder and it wouldnít hold pressure.

Subaru of America gets involved and says that the only person that can work on my car is the head mechanic at this local dealership and that they were going to break the engine down. They said they were sending someone out from Subaru of America to diagnose the problem with the head mechanic from the dealership. 3 days later I get a call and the dealership tells me that Subaru of America had to call Subaru of Japan because it was the S209 and Subaru of Japan told them that no one could work on the car so basically nobody touched it all week.

I was told Subaru of Japan was trying to decide if they were going to ship out a short block to be replaced and have the dealership put it back together or a long block. I got an email Friday saying that Subaru is shipping a short block and itís on back order till July 10th so I have a loaner for the next month.

My question is, wonít the fact that the motor is being broken down and put back together at the dealership devalue my car? One of the reasons you spend 80k on this car is because special it is hand built by Subaru Tecnica international engineers. If I wanted a motor built by just the local mechanic I would of got an STI.

Iím considering trying to see if I can lemon this vehicle. I just canít see it holding its value after replacing the short block within 1600 miles. If anyone has any advice on what I should do Iíd appreciate it? Let me know if Iím looking at it wrong. Maybe it doesnít matter if they change the short block. I just picture trying to sell it one day as a collectors item and someone seeing the service report and the fact it has had a major component replaced and it now isnít really built by Subaru Tecnica international engineers making people walk away.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:43 AM   #2
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STI didn't build the motor, it is just a standard 2019+ STI Block that came in the 2018 STI Type RA, with some bolt-ons by STI. Sucks to hear it already blew a ringland. I can't speak to California's Lemon Law, but resale will definitely be damaged by this, no longer being a sealed blocked and being a limited production model.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:44 AM   #3
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Meh, you’ve already put too many miles on it to worry about it being a collector car in the next 30 years. Let them fix it and then just go drive and enjoy your car. Trying to prospect collector cars is not a very good strategy anyway.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:48 AM   #4
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Meh, youíve already put too many miles on it to worry about it being a collector car in the next 30 years. Let them fix it and then just go drive and enjoy your car. Trying to prospect collector cars is not a very good strategy anyway.
I guess I shouldnít say collectors car. I meant just trying to sell it 5 years down the road and it not holding itís value as for it being limited edition. But I appreciate the advice.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:49 AM   #5
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Can't imagine you're going to get anywhere on a lemon law if they fix it. Diminished value would be your insurance, not the manufacturer.

80k? I thought they were 65? It was already absurd at 65 for having some extra chassis bracing.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:52 AM   #6
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STI didn't build the motor, it is just a standard 2019+ STI Block that came in the 2018 STI Type RA, with some bolt-ons by STI. Sucks to hear it already blew a ringland. I can't speak to California's Lemon Law, but resale will definitely be damaged by this, no longer being a sealed blocked and being a limited production model.
Thanks for the advice, Iím going to contact Subaru of America today. Honestly I would prefer them to buy the car back from me at this point and Iíll just get an STI so I donít owe 60k on the S209 that didnít live up to what the dealership sold me on. They can then replace the block and sell it to someone else if itís still worth 60k after replacing the block. I donít see anyone buying it and thatís going to be my argument about the resale value being affected.
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Old 06-15-2020, 11:53 AM   #7
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Can't imagine you're going to get anywhere on a lemon law if they fix it. Diminished value would be your insurance, not the manufacturer.

80k? I thought they were 65? It was already absurd at 65 for having some extra chassis bracing.
It was 67 but with taxes and all that it was close to 80.
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Old 06-15-2020, 03:14 PM   #8
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80k? I thought they were 65? It was already absurd at 65 for having some extra chassis bracing.
Not uncommon for Cali, or other states, to tack on a " specialty tax ".
For instance, the Ford Mustang GT500 is Invoiced @ $92K. Cali tacks on a $20K specialty tax.

NH was not as heavy-handed and only tacked on $10K.
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Old 06-15-2020, 03:19 PM   #9
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Look up the lemon law for your state. I know it for my state and figuring that they're dicking around before doing anything real with the repair, they'll certainly hit 30 days out of service, which in my state is enough to get it bought back.

Knowing the law, enjoy the free loaner Legacy that I assume you're driving around. (I've had Legacy's for my Crosstrek CVT replacement and for the short block/valve spring replacements).
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Old 06-15-2020, 03:26 PM   #10
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:04 PM   #11
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Honestly I would prefer them to buy the car back from me at this point and Iíll just get an STI so I donít owe 60k on the S209 that didnít live up to what the dealership sold me on. They can then replace the block and sell it to someone else if itís still worth 60k after replacing the block. I donít see anyone buying it and thatís going to be my argument about the resale value being affected.
^on what basis? A lemon law basis? Because if there is an objective issue and they find and fix it I'm not so sure you can just tell them to buy it back.
And it "didn't live up to what the dealer sold you on"?????
What exactly did they sell you on?

and Damn, 80 grand out the door for a car a little better than an STI.


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It was 67 but with taxes and all that it was close to 80.
If California rips you off that bad in taxes that f-ing place sucks.
for gods sake thats practically 20% tax.
Another 10 years of the idiot politicians running that state and they're going to start a penalty tax for having a job.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:12 PM   #12
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OP. Donít listen to most of these guys. Go read the CA lemon law and then consult a specialty attorney.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:46 PM   #13
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Look up the lemon law for your state. I know it for my state and figuring that they're dicking around before doing anything real with the repair, they'll certainly hit 30 days out of service, which in my state is enough to get it bought back.

Knowing the law, enjoy the free loaner Legacy that I assume you're driving around. (I've had Legacy's for my Crosstrek CVT replacement and for the short block/valve spring replacements).
Haha I do have the legacy! Itís actually really nice lol.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:51 PM   #14
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OP. Donít listen to most of these guys. Go read the CA lemon law and then consult a specialty attorney.
Yea, itís funny how you ask a question and people want to rip into you. This is my 5th wrx/sti and Iíve done all the mods in the past. I started with an 02 bugeye and have been with Subaru for 15+ years. I make decent money these days and decided to buy a rare Subaru that had great reviews. Obviously Iíve had bad luck with this engine having issues. I shouldnít be punished for it and Iím going to be expecting Subaru to own up to it having a defect.
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Old 06-15-2020, 04:57 PM   #15
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forums are dead, but i do want to hear how this ends.

i still have my bugeye.. but im done with subaru from a new car perspective.
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Old 06-15-2020, 05:12 PM   #16
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This really sucks and THE reason why I did not buy the S209.

I can't fix it myself and most dealers can't either.
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Old 06-16-2020, 02:20 PM   #17
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forums are dead, but i do want to hear how this ends.

i still have my bugeye.. but im done with subaru from a new car perspective.
Right there with you on the OG bugeye status and distaste for current Subaru models, BRZ and STI aside. (Ignore the fact my wife just bought a used 2019 Outback, it wasn't my money. But damn it's nice to ride in...)

OP, as others have stated, if you're serious about having SoA buy the car back, #1 thing to do is check the lemon laws in your state. You have to reach a certain threshold (days out of service, number of repairs, etc.) to trigger the buyback. Unless you've got "Do you know who I am?..." levels of clout, there is little chance SoA will buy it back without the lemon law qualifications.

That said, they are fixing it, and it sounds like this failure has been run all the way up the flag pole back in Japan, so I'm sure you'll be taken care of. (For the record I'd be after a replacement longblock, just to keep extra hands out of the equation)

As for the people poopooing your decision to buy a S209, let them eat dirt. If I had the disposable income to get one, I would have. I agree with the majority that at MSRP, they're quite bad value for the money, but I still think they're cool, hand-assembled, and are one of the best Subarus we've ever had in Americaland.
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Yea, itís funny how you ask a question and people want to rip into you.
what's your definition of "being ripped into"?

I just scrolled back through the posts above JPballChin and all I saw was people either giving you their opinion on lemon laws, advising you to check your states lemon laws, or face palming themselves in text about spending 80 grand on an STI.

All three of those reactions seem pretty reasonable considering
A) you did spend 80 grand on an STI according to you
B) it lasted you 1300 miles
C) you DO in fact need to determine what your states lemon laws are
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I got $50k ready to splurge if you want out?
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I got $50k ready to splurge if you want out?
too late
he just found out lemon laws don't let you just unload a car on the seller because you beat it to hell in the first 1000 miles and ruined the engine and they still get stuck fixing it for free anyway
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https://www.dca.ca.gov/acp/pdf_files/englemn.pdf

Don't talk Lemon Law until you intelligently understand it. You are FAR from Lemon Law so even mentioning it is silly.

Diminished value is with car insurance NOT the dealer.

Subaru nor your dealer will buy your car back, that's not how that works.

Will your car have diminished value? There are 3,456 things to devalue a car. Maybe you smoke in it. Maybe between now and sale day you will have 200,000 miles on it. Maybe you'll wrap in Nazi flags. All things that can affect resale. If you were really concerned about resale, which you are not, you'd have removed the battery, cosmolined the whole car, put it on jackstands and placed in in an inflatable garage.

I recommend you have some tea, play with a good boi dog, and look at some good memes online....life is good for you! Don't kvetch about the things you can't change.
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Old 06-18-2020, 09:02 PM   #22
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Just keep it and enjoy it, in my opinion. It was assembled by humans and will have flaws. At least having the work done at a dealer will look better than some aftermarket shop. Not like some lube guy newb will be doing the work. At least they had to consult with higher ups and it's more likely the work will be done correctly the first time around. Also, you get to enjoy a nice loaner car instead of some clunker.

Also, don't worry about the people trying to roast you on the price. Some people always have to inject pointless negativity. It's a badass car, you can't really make equal comparisons with price to other cars, there are always upsides and downsides for every brand.
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You are over analyzing it a bit too much, as long as the work is commissioned and done by Subaru with technician of the right qualifications and training, it will not hurt it’s resale value. Everything has a potential fail rate, unfortunately, it happens to you. In this case, I am sure SoJ will want to Know what caused the failure which is why they are going to make sure the right people works on the car. That’s SOP with pretty much all car companies. And I disagree with the other member, the S cars are the only ones that are truly build by STI at STI, not just STI parts being used. Anyway, have the car fixed, keep all documentation On the car for the duration of you owning the car, that’s what will help it’s resale value. Relax and Just enjoy the S209.
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Also, unless you're the same guy - this is the second stock low mileage S209 to suffer catastrophic failure in California. Subaru really botched the tune on this car, so you won't be alone among people owning an S209 with an engine replacement.
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Also, unless you're the same guy - this is the second stock low mileage S209 to suffer catastrophic failure in California. Subaru really botched the tune on this car, so you won't be alone among people owning an S209 with an engine replacement.
we can start a s209 new engine subforum..
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