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Old 06-19-2020, 11:42 AM   #26
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Also, unless you're the same guy - this is the second stock low mileage S209 to suffer catastrophic failure in California. Subaru really botched the tune on this car, so you won't be alone among people owning an S209 with an engine replacement.
who's the first guy?

im surprised the journalist demo didn't get affected seeing as its been beat on pretty good.
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Old 06-19-2020, 11:48 AM   #27
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we can start a s209 new engine subforum..
It would be as active as the Ascent forum.....or the Crosstrek forum.
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Old 06-19-2020, 11:53 AM   #28
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I thought the s209 had alot of suspension mods and is a little wider than the regular sti? I know that they did put a HKS turbo on it though. It whould be interesting to see if they opened up the ports on the heads at all. You should see if you could see the heads before they put it all together and get some pics for us
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Old 06-19-2020, 12:01 PM   #29
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@ Trueno92, for some reason I can't quote on this forum using Firefox...

I'm not sure who the actual guy was, but he was an Instagram car guy who posted about it and wasn't a member of this forum. A member reached out and posted periodic updates on here. It was the same story - the guy got the runaround regarding who can work on the car and getting parts.

I don't know if the guy ever got his car fixed. I think the updates were in one of the million S209 threads that NightHawk got caved.
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Old 06-19-2020, 12:38 PM   #30
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@ Trueno92, for some reason I can't quote on this forum using Firefox...
In your User CP, click on Edit Options and at the bottom change the Message Editor Interface to Standard.
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Old 06-19-2020, 12:56 PM   #31
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Thanks. Iíll give it a shot. I use three computers and a phone - only my PC/Firefox combo has the issue.
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Lol look at the gap between the bumper and lip...
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Old 06-19-2020, 03:20 PM   #33
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lol i dont know to many states that wouldnt lemon it based on time with that...buuut you are getting a brand new JDM fresh engine put together by JDM hands flown all the way over! if you feel its to much then lemon...if you like the car, just wait...is odd that something happened but they are taking care of you which is always good to [email protected]
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Old 06-19-2020, 06:03 PM   #35
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lol i dont know to many states that wouldnt lemon it based on time with that...buuut you are getting a brand new JDM fresh engine put together by JDM hands flown all the way over! if you feel its to much then lemon...if you like the car, just wait...is odd that something happened but they are taking care of you which is always good to [email protected]

Most lemon laws allow 3 repair attempts before they kick in.
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I genuinely feel bad for the OP and know that the crowd here can be a little tough, especially when you're talking about a car that not everyone here could afford - so people can get a little testy.

What I would argue you (OP) need to be focusing your attention on, namely with SoA, is the level of attention that went into the production of your car. STi hand built, but what should really be called "modified", all 209 of the S209s and that's what's being undone to complete the repairs here.

Personally, this is the underlying issue, among others, that really turned me off about the S209. You don't truly have local dealer support, everything must be run through Japan and that naturally draws everything out and it's something I feel Subaru was a little short sighted on. Yes, Subaru/STi can sell the car, but can they address any issues 'promptly' and guarantee the same level of care and attention to detail in the repair? Clearly, that answer is no and that's the real issue at hand.

I want to be clear that I'm 'not' saying that SoA can't repair the car, but attempting to compare a local dealer's quality of work to techs at STi is something I would never buy and that's disheartening. Yeah, they've got "Master-techs", but are you telling me they're going to have three different people use a digital torque wrench to ensure the car was torqued back down to spec? I highly doubt it and that would be an issue for me. Yes, they fixed the block, but now the vast majority of your STi painted (checked) bolts will be a mess and you have no clue how much attention was applied to putting it back together, but hey - you got a new block bruh!

On the bright side, yes there actually is one, you've got a fresh block to break-in all over again. If you plan on keeping this car for a 'long time', then don't sweat it; however, if this was a shorter term purchase (less than 3-5 years) then I think you'll be in for some disappointment. You might be able to work with SoA and the dealer to work out a fair trade in value towards another STi and get SoA to discount that car, but I don't think they'll do all too much with regards to diminished value.

Lastly, diminished value is usually attributed to a collision or comprehensive loss (vandalism for example) and not something a failed motor would trigger - from an insurance standpoint. Why? Because "full coverage" is comprehensive and collision and car repairs / breakdowns are not included in those coverage's.
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I genuinely feel bad for the OP and know that the crowd here can be a little tough, especially when you're talking about a car that not everyone here could afford - so people can get a little testy.

What I would argue you (OP) need to be focusing your attention on, namely with SoA, is the level of attention that went into the production of your car. STi hand built, but what should really be called "modified", all 209 of the S209s and that's what's being undone to complete the repairs here.

Personally, this is the underlying issue, among others, that really turned me off about the S209. You don't truly have local dealer support, everything must be run through Japan and that naturally draws everything out and it's something I feel Subaru was a little short sighted on. Yes, Subaru/STi can sell the car, but can they address any issues 'promptly' and guarantee the same level of care and attention to detail in the repair? Clearly, that answer is no and that's the real issue at hand.

I want to be clear that I'm 'not' saying that SoA can't repair the car, but attempting to compare a local dealer's quality of work to techs at STi is something I would never buy and that's disheartening. Yeah, they've got "Master-techs", but are you telling me they're going to have three different people use a digital torque wrench to ensure the car was torqued back down to spec? I highly doubt it and that would be an issue for me. Yes, they fixed the block, but now the vast majority of your STi painted (checked) bolts will be a mess and you have no clue how much attention was applied to putting it back together, but hey - you got a new block bruh!

On the bright side, yes there actually is one, you've got a fresh block to break-in all over again. If you plan on keeping this car for a 'long time', then don't sweat it; however, if this was a shorter term purchase (less than 3-5 years) then I think you'll be in for some disappointment. You might be able to work with SoA and the dealer to work out a fair trade in value towards another STi and get SoA to discount that car, but I don't think they'll do all too much with regards to diminished value.

Lastly, diminished value is usually attributed to a collision or comprehensive loss (vandalism for example) and not something a failed motor would trigger - from an insurance standpoint. Why? Because "full coverage" is comprehensive and collision and car repairs / breakdowns are not included in those coverage's.
Well an update to the situation, is Subaru is going to buy the car back or give me a cash payout to keep the car.

Most posts on here are super negative and honestly donít seem to comprehend my concerns with taking this car back. If it has had issues (like some have mentioned) then Subaru is going more then willing to take care of this without having it blasted for other Subaru enthusiasts to read. And, most donít get that Iím not in need of this vehicle. It was meant to be fun not a head ache. Iím not going to be one of the few that pays 80k (with taxes) for a Subaru that breaks. Yes itís a cool car but once you take away all of the exclusive reasons the car is that much, I.e. the motor and that itís put together by Subaru tecnica international engineers then they can repurchase and Iíll buy another sti.

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Old 06-19-2020, 07:18 PM   #38
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Well an update to the situation, is Subaru is going to buy the car back or give me a cash payout to keep the car.

Most posts on here are super negative and honestly donít seem to comprehend my concerns with taking this car back. If it has had issues (like some have mentioned) then Subaru is going more then willing to take care of this without having it blasted for other Subaru enthusiasts to read. And, most donít get that Iím not in need of this vehicle. It was meant to be fun not a head ache. Iím not going to be one of the few that pays 80k (with taxes) for a Subaru. Yes itís a cool car but once you take away all of the exclusive reasons the car is that much, I.e. the motor then they can repurchase and Iíll buy another sti.
its nice subaru is going to take care of you. i think everyone really gets where you are coming from, but at the same time if you buy something for its future value, and still drive it, you are accepting a risk of devaluing it.
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Well an update to the situation, is Subaru is going to buy the car back or give me a cash payout to keep the car.

Most posts on here are super negative and honestly don’t seem to comprehend my concerns with taking this car back. If it has had issues (like some have mentioned) then Subaru is going more then willing to take care of this without having it blasted for other Subaru enthusiasts to read. And, most don’t get that I’m not in need of this vehicle. It was meant to be fun not a head ache. I’m not going to be one of the few that pays 80k (with taxes) for a Subaru. Yes it’s a cool car but once you take away all of the exclusive reasons the car is that much, I.e. the motor then they can repurchase and I’ll buy another sti.

That's great news, congratulations! Well then it's entirely your call - have you decided what route you're going to take?

I would be hesitant taking the car back myself and can genuinely relate to the disappointment. No one wants to spend top dollar for a car that they bought to enjoy and have it turn into a nightmare.

Perhaps the best bet is to take the buy back, buy a base STi and mod as you see fit.

It's a tough spot all around, but at least I'm happy to see that Subaru stepped up.

Good luck man.
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I genuinely feel bad for the OP and know that the crowd here can be a little tough, especially when you're talking about a car that not everyone here could afford - so people can get a little testy.
All other parts of this thread aside, there's no bigger douchebag on a car forum than the guy who uses the "don't listen to them, they just can't afford it" line. Don't be that guy. Nobody should be that guy. That guy is the absolute worst.

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I'm curious if this was truly an engine defect or if it's due to the ****ty California gas in combination with the more aggressive tune. Since it sounds like there was another California S209 that had a similar issue, it would seem like it could be related to gas.

Doesn't the S209 basically use the same STI motor with a different tune? If it's the same motor built from the same factory, then I believe the tune just isn't suited for the gas in Cali.

I'm glad you got special treatment from Subaru considering this was a 80k car. If this was just a regular STI, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't buy the car back and just tell you to punch sand.
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I'm curious if this was truly an engine defect or if it's due to the ****ty California gas in combination with the more aggressive tune. Since it sounds like there was another California S209 that had a similar issue, it would seem like it could be related to gas.

Doesn't the S209 basically use the same STI motor with a different tune? If it's the same motor built from the same factory, then I believe the tune just isn't suited for the gas in Cali.

I'm glad you got special treatment from Subaru considering this was a 80k car. If this was just a regular STI, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't buy the car back and just tell you to punch sand.
it also had a HKS turbo
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All other parts of this thread aside, there's no bigger douchebag on a car forum than the guy who uses the "don't listen to them, they just can't afford it" line. Don't be that guy. Nobody should be that guy. That guy is the absolute worst.
I respectfully disagree with this. In my mind, there is no bigger douchebag on an enthusiast forum than the guy who simply puts down others for choices that they themselves cannot afford. Such types are usually not helpful and are simply bitter. I see quite a few of these types on Facebook. There line is usually - what were you thinking dropping this kind of money for a dressed up plain vanilla car? Or, that is way too much money for a Subaru bro. Usually boils down to them missing the whole point why someone buys an 'overpriced' car, such as the OP who clearly has stated that he does not need this car to be a daily driver. I don't see such comments being of any help to the issue at hand.

OP - I must say I am surprised that Suabru provided such options in your situation. Regardless of which route you decide to go, hopefully it offers a reasonable resolution that you hoped for.

On a lighter note, you should post this on Facebook. You will likely get some financial advice from a 20 year old who complains about the price of 93 gas!
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Check this out. It goes over what makes it a different unit than the USDM Sti.
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Are we going to have another S209 thread lock?

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I guess I shouldnít say collectors car. I meant just trying to sell it 5 years down the road and it not holding itís value as for it being limited edition. But I appreciate the advice.
Gotcha, yeah thatís a complication for sure. I know Iíd be a bit spooked and wouldnít pay top dollar on a used car with engine work. My Focus got a new head and while it runs great, itís not unmolested anymore.

Sounds like youíre getting Subaru to buy it back though? Thatís good, but very unfortunate you only had such a short time to enjoy such a cool car.

On the bright side, if you do replace it with a regular STI youíll have plenty of funds left over for track days.
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So the tune...

I wouldn't drive this car on ACN91 without a good octane booster. i even drove my normal STI on canadian 94oct E0 on octane booster until I had it tuned for our 94oct.
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All other parts of this thread aside, there's no bigger douchebag on a car forum than the guy who uses the "don't listen to them, they just can't afford it" line. Don't be that guy. Nobody should be that guy. That guy is the absolute worst.
The point I was making was for the OP to temper his frustrations with some of the negative posts he was receiving, largely because of the 'fact' not everyone in his audience has the same financial means as he does. That doesn't mean that most people can't swing an S209, or that he should ignore their comments, but to view them differently and attempt to understand where they're coming from.

I don't own an S209 myself, but I also didn't feel the need to bash the guy for buying one either - so who would really be the "douchebag" - the dude trying to help the OP out, or the people pointlessly bashing the guy for buying an $80k STi?

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I respectfully disagree with this. In my mind, there is no bigger douchebag on an enthusiast forum than the guy who simply puts down others for choices that they themselves cannot afford. Such types are usually not helpful and are simply bitter. I see quite a few of these types on Facebook. There line is usually - what were you thinking dropping this kind of money for a dressed up plain vanilla car? Or, that is way too much money for a Subaru bro. Usually boils down to them missing the whole point why someone buys an 'overpriced' car, such as the OP who clearly has stated that he does not need this car to be a daily driver. I don't see such comments being of any help to the issue at hand.
Exactly, the thread is littered with hate towards the OP instead of actually attempting to offer constructive advice.

I was actually surprised to read his comment, as I thought I drafted a fair and, subjectively, helpful response. That said, there's always one person who needs to try and turn a comment into something else and viola.
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So the tune...

I wouldn't drive this car on ACN91 without a good octane booster. i even drove my normal STI on canadian 94oct E0 on octane booster until I had it tuned for our 94oct.

I can't recall where I read it, but wasn't it advised to avoid using octane boosters? I think there was a thread here on it, as they do more harm than good, overall.



If it's financially possible, I would always recommend splashing higher octane (not a concentrated octane booster) to help mitigate knock on hotter days. California gas is absolute trash, from one tank to the next - you never know what you're actually getting.
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On the DIT 2.0 WRX, you could mix about 3 gallons of E85 to boost the octane running on the factory tune. I'm sure the same could be done for the STI.

My gut tells me that Subaru doesn't really tune these cars for US gas and relies on the knock strategy to automatically de-tune these cars.
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