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Old 06-22-2020, 01:36 PM   #51
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The point I was making was for the OP to temper his frustrations with some of the negative posts he was receiving, largely because of the 'fact' not everyone in his audience has the same financial means as he does. That doesn't mean that most people can't swing an S209, or that he should ignore their comments, but to view them differently and attempt to understand where they're coming from.

I don't own an S209 myself, but I also didn't feel the need to bash the guy for buying one either - so who would really be the "douchebag" - the dude trying to help the OP out, or the people pointlessly bashing the guy for buying an $80k STi?



Exactly, the thread is littered with hate towards the OP instead of actually attempting to offer constructive advice.

I was actually surprised to read his comment, as I thought I drafted a fair and, subjectively, helpful response. That said, there's always one person who needs to try and turn a comment into something else and viola.
No, definitely the guys pointing out that people can't afford it would be the douchebags. Surprised they'd come back and feel the need to double down on it.

The guy didn't need any help, he was just whining. Subaru was bending over backwards to help him out, even in his original post. His complaint was purely "I overpaid for this and I'm afraid of the potential value hit". There was never a concern that Subaru would completely, and fully, fix the problem. No question of reliability, if it was a sufficient fix, or any other discussion about if the car would still be made whole.

This is the same Subaru that's notorious for telling people with similar brand new vehicles to pound sand when their ringlands break, bearings fail, etc. So much so that there were class actions raised. In this case they were just deciding who to fly in to properly oversee the repair.

The OP was entirely a financial question, which is why people gave responses on a basis of cost vs value.

Then the guys in tuxedo t-shirts showed up with the "don't listen to the poor people, they just can't afford it so they're hatin."
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Old 06-22-2020, 01:50 PM   #52
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You can be filthy rich and still be "concerned about the value of your car".

Just because you can throw away 30k from a resale value hit doesn't mean you shouldn't care about it.

Anyway, someone's financial situation isn't anybody's business. Any comments that are related to that isn't constructive.
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Old 06-22-2020, 02:00 PM   #53
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No, definitely the guys pointing out that people can't afford it would be the douchebags. Surprised they'd come back and feel the need to double down on it.

The guy didn't need any help, he was just whining. Subaru was bending over backwards to help him out, even in his original post. His complaint was purely "I overpaid for this and I'm afraid of the potential value hit". There was never a concern that Subaru would completely, and fully, fix the problem. No question of reliability, if it was a sufficient fix, or any other discussion about if the car would still be made whole.

This is the same Subaru that's notorious for telling people with similar brand new vehicles to pound sand when their ringlands break, bearings fail, etc. So much so that there were class actions raised. In this case they were just deciding who to fly in to properly oversee the repair.

The OP was entirely a financial question, which is why people gave responses on a basis of cost vs value.

Then the guys in tuxedo t-shirts showed up with the "don't listen to the poor people, they just can't afford it so they're hatin."

Is hating to hate any more of a defensible position, regardless of being able to afford the car or not?

To me, whining is whining. The OP is upset his brand new S209 failed, which is crux of the issue here. Regardless of cost, a brand new S209 failed and the cost tied to the S209 only serves to make it worse. SoA bending over backwards is the biggest joke of my life. Them buying it back is a PR matter more than a "we care about your feels" decision. The last thing SoA wants to see is their beloved S209 getting flamed on the forums while there's still ample S209s sitting on lots.

I don't really care if everyone, or no one, here can afford an S209 - that wasn't even the point of my post. The simple fact is that 9/10 people show up to bash the OP and demonstrate 0 tact in their responses.
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Old 06-22-2020, 02:22 PM   #54
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Don’t buy cars as an investment. Yes I know it has worked out for some with specific cars. But we know cars are a depreciating asset. Some cars that are collected can appreciate but it generally happens after a huge depreciation. Also this takes years and it is impossible to know the demographics well enough to predict buying habits in the future.

You need to do your homework if thinking about buying a car as an investment.

Plenty of examples of how difficult this is.

1. Boomers retired and started buying restorations of 60s muscle cars from their youth. Prices soared. 10 years later they need to sell as they get old, not enough buyers prices went down. Some are coming back.

2. Depreciation on expensive cars is huge, some come back like Porsche 911 u-shaped curves. But that u-shape does not apply to all cars, 928s and 944s are just coming up off the bottom, years later.

Two concerns I have is the electric move could reduce interested buyers in the future and you also need to be careful as the current money printing world wide has led to asset bubbles including cars.

Many people think prices will only go up, just like I heard about houses before the Great Recession. If you want an S209 buy it because you want it as a special car. If you are buying for investment well that’s gambling and it might not work out for you.
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Old 06-22-2020, 03:05 PM   #55
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20 posts after the OP says he got offered a buyout OR a cash handout to keep the car. . . . . .and I'm the first person asking what the offers were?????????

What were the offers?????
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Old 06-22-2020, 05:24 PM   #56
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This is sad. A halo car blows it's engine at 1600 miles. I would be beyond upset with Subaru. #shouldhaveputforgedpistonsinit.
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:37 PM   #57
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Not sure how you thought an S209 is worth $80,000. Anyway. Get your money back while you can and redirect funds to a Supra or GT-R.

Signed, $35k STI owner.
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Old 06-23-2020, 12:59 AM   #58
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I can't recall where I read it, but wasn't it advised to avoid using octane boosters? I think there was a thread here on it, as they do more harm than good, overall.

If it's financially possible, I would always recommend splashing higher octane (not a concentrated octane booster) to help mitigate knock on hotter days. California gas is absolute trash, from one tank to the next - you never know what you're actually getting.
Yep, best is to go with the best fuel you can find. Or use proper race fuel for track days and so on. But in Cali I think there's not many choices. I don't think Subaru understands crappy California gas

In terms of downsides, with octane boosters you have higher emissions, higher combustion temps and it is not cost-efficient. But... the STI (let alone a S209) is already not fuel-efficient at all, so a bit extra gas $ is no biggie. Keep an eye on the spark plugs as well if using it often, and mix the brands/types of booster to vary the chemistry and dilute any ill effects.

I would say, use booster as a precaution. On the days you want to get on it, or if for whatever reason you feel you got a bad gas batch... add octane booster (but the good ones... like Lucas, NOS and some others which really raise the Oct... not the cheap stuff like STP) to that fill up, until you can get a tune for crappy fuel.
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Old 06-23-2020, 01:15 AM   #59
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I'd be FURIOUS if my brand new car failed. Regardless of the brand or model. And regardless if the price was $30k or $100k. Nobody wants to take an additional hit on a brand new car.

Similar situation with insurance claims and accidents. There's a reason cars take a price hit when they have claims: repairs are very rarely 100% (I'd say never).
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Old 06-23-2020, 07:34 AM   #60
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I wonder what the offers were?????
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Old 06-23-2020, 03:47 PM   #61
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Iím not going to be one of the few that pays 80k (with taxes) for a Subaru that breaks.
Wait, isn't that EXACTLY what happened in your case? SoA cashing you out doesn't change that it happened.
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Old 06-23-2020, 04:33 PM   #62
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Wait, isn't that EXACTLY what happened in your case? SoA cashing you out doesn't change that it happened.
I swear every thread like this ends the same.
Guy blows up his car, wants somebody to pay for it all.
Get flamed online for it.
Then comes back a few days later saying he got some insane offer to cover everything for him, almost too good to be true, but provides no details, then disappears
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Old 06-23-2020, 04:43 PM   #63
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I swear every thread like this ends the same.
Guy blows up his car, wants somebody to pay for it all.
Get flamed online for it.
Then comes back a few days later saying he got some insane offer to cover everything for him, almost too good to be true, but provides no details, then disappears

They probably made him sign a "waiver" and agree to no longer discuss the matter and or the ultimate resolution, so it makes sense.
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Old 06-23-2020, 05:51 PM   #64
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They probably made him sign a "waiver" and agree to no longer discuss the matter and or the ultimate resolution, so it makes sense.
IF that is indeed what happened. Like the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop, the world may never know...
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:32 PM   #65
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IF that is indeed what happened. Like the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop, the world may never know...
IT'S THREE DAMN LICKS. HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE OWL HAVE TO TELL YOU?!?!?!?! THREE. DAMN. LICKS.
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Old 06-23-2020, 08:15 PM   #66
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so did people that bought the S209 actually think that if something broke either in the drivetrain or suspension or body....that the car would be shipped back to japan so ONLY the STI facility could work on it for replacement parts in order to keep it exactly as it was assembled???? And then it would get shipped BACK to the U.S from japan, so that if in the future the car was sold that they could tell a prospective buyer that it was only EVER worked on in Japan where the cars were assembled new so its never going to loose value???

Sorry the owner blew his engine(if this is even a real legit occurance and not a fake post, but WOW... This assumption is crazy....if Subaru has assigned lead mechanics to work on S209's than whats the problem? There is no need to take the car anywhere else or fly a mechanic half way around the world to do the same job in the same dealership that the lead mechanic assigned to working on the S209's would be doing.

LOL this is probably one of the if not THE most ridiculous queries I have read on this site.

Seriously is this even real????? I have my doubts. But the description that each dealership would have a lead mechanic assigned to working on these makes sense, so he already had an answer....this site never ceases to amaze me sometimes. Any car is only original once.

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Old 06-23-2020, 09:07 PM   #67
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If this place befuddles you, just imagine how we all feel reading your posts.
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Old 06-23-2020, 09:27 PM   #68
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Are we going to have another S209 thread lock?



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Yes....yes we are.
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