2024 WRX TR spec

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

Last I looked track ready means good brakes. WRX need not apply. Look they we just need to be honest with ourselves. The value bargain the WRX was is no longer around. We have this WRXtrek thing. A WRX wilderness is actually probably the best use case for this car. Finish raising up the ride height more, give it some M+S rated trail tires and call it a day.

Also, no WRX on earth has ever obtained 28mph. Except down hill in neutral, coasting.

You talking overall? Got 28-30 regularly with my 2009.......on trips.

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[samagon]

Originally Posted by RemyLeBeau

Similarly, if Subaru does what I think they will do, and go for the cash, it also makes my decision that much easier for me.

I refuse to spend over $35 to $38K on a car, so if the TR is no longer in my price range, I can work a deal on a Premium with my desired options, and then address some limitations in the aftermarket if I so choose to do in the future.

Yeah, I can't stand the economy right now, and the hyper-inflation that has taken hold over the past 24 to 36 months, but I also don't NEED to get a new car. The good ol days of competitively priced and performance compacts are long gone.

inflation is a thing, and it's not just the last 24-36 months that it's been a thing.

from a 25 year period of 1970 to 1995 the equivalent buying power of $20,000 became $78,000.

from 1998 to 2023 the equivalent buying power of $20,000 is $37,000

so yeah, get used to the idea of spending $35k or more on a car that you might want.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

You talking overall? Got 28-30 regularly with my 2009.......on trips.

you're some kind of mileage whisperer, in any WRX I ever owned the best I ever got on the highway was 24ish in my 2015.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by samagon

you're some kind of mileage whisperer [...]

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by samagon

you're some kind of mileage whisperer, in any WRX I ever owned the best I ever got on the highway was 24ish in my 2015.

My response to him was more about "it can't happen" type mentality. A lot of those trips were on 55mph highways and we weren't in any sort of hurry. I was actually astonished the first time we did it. I was like "no way" and had to do a manual calculation on the way back.

[chanomatik]

People that drive WRX and STI slow and worry about MPG should drive something else. They're embarrassing.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

People that drive WRX and STI slow and worry about MPG should drive something else. They're embarrassing.

Well, when you buy a car and gas is sub $2/gal and then in it's lifespan the price more than doubles......you start to think about cranking it up....

[Yotsuya]

I do wish premium gas was still about $.25 more than regular. It's usually closer to a dollar these days.

[samagon]

meh, gas costs money.

if you drive 1000 miles a month that's either 40 gallons or 50 gallons depending on 20 vs 25 mpg.

so at $4 a gallon you're either spending $160, or $200 on gas per month. $40 is having a date night with a tombstone pizza once a month at home, or choosing to bring ramen for lunch (or a homemade sandwich) 3x a week.

of course, if you're already sitting at your desk every day to eat lunch because you can't afford to go out with the team, or you never go out to dinner because you can't afford it already, then maybe a brand new sporty car isn't for you, even if you "can afford it".

so yeah, if you can honestly, really, actually afford the shiney new sporty car, you can probably afford the gas to fill it whether you're driving like a saint for 25mpg, or driving the piss out of it and only manage 20mpg.

granted, in my STI my average MPG was about 18, so it was about $60 difference between nursing it, and driving like it wanted to be driven. the GRC, no matter how hard I flog it, I struggle to get below 21mpg.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by samagon

meh, gas costs money.

if you drive 1000 miles a month that's either 40 gallons or 50 gallons depending on 20 vs 25 mpg.

so at $4 a gallon you're either spending $160, or $200 on gas per month. $40 is having a date night with a tombstone pizza once a month at home, or choosing to bring ramen for lunch (or a homemade sandwich) 3x a week.

of course, if you're already sitting at your desk every day to eat lunch because you can't afford to go out with the team, or you never go out to dinner because you can't afford it already, then maybe a brand new sporty car isn't for you, even if you "can afford it".

so yeah, if you can honestly, really, actually afford the shiney new sporty car, you can probably afford the gas to fill it whether you're driving like a saint for 25mpg, or driving the piss out of it and only manage 20mpg.

granted, in my STI my average MPG was about 18, so it was about $60 difference between nursing it, and driving like it wanted to be driven. the GRC, no matter how hard I flog it, I struggle to get below 21mpg.

Maybe people want to spread out what they spend their money on? And rising gas prices affects that side of it. Shoot, rising fuel costs affects a lot of it. Airline prices have been atrocious.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Well, when you buy a car and gas is sub $2/gal and then in it's lifespan the price more than doubles......you start to think about cranking it up....

Wack. Time to rethink life choices if cranking your sporty car no longer appeals for any reason, especially if it's a Subaru. Cruising around sipping gas on a luxury car? Sure. Enjoy the slow roll. WRX/STI/BRZ need not apply.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Wack. Time to rethink life choices if cranking your sporty car no longer appeals for any reason, especially if it's a Subaru. Cruising around sipping gas on a luxury car? Sure. Enjoy the slow roll. WRX/STI/BRZ need not apply.

Now, I didn't say to "sip" gas or even not have fun in the car. I would just probably drive it less. Like I choose to drive the Baja Turbo less because it's 20mpg avg at best. On premium. When I'm getting 28 on my Forester on regular. I WOULD care less if gas prices were like when I got the Baja/STI/WRX.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Maybe people want to spread out what they spend their money on? And rising gas prices affects that side of it. Shoot, rising fuel costs affects a lot of it. Airline prices have been atrocious.

maybe I'm some kind of elite earner, but I don't think so. we go out to dinner as a family usually a max of 6x a month and it averages to probably $50 for dinner, if gas prices go up too much, I (and the wife) don't feel bad only going out 5x a month for dinner.

so essentially, I budget $300 a month for dinner out and $200 a month for gas. when gas prices get crazy enough to feel it, I budget $250 for dinner out so I can pack the remainder into the cost of gasoline.

or maybe I'm the only one who uses a spreadsheet to analyze that kind of crap, and I'm not worried about moving money around to accommodate different pleasures.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by samagon

maybe I'm some kind of elite earner, but I don't think so. we go out to dinner as a family usually a max of 6x a month and it averages to probably $50 for dinner, if gas prices go up too much, I (and the wife) don't feel bad only going out 5x a month for dinner.

so essentially, I budget $300 a month for dinner out and $200 a month for gas. when gas prices get crazy enough to feel it, I budget $250 for dinner out so I can pack the remainder into the cost of gasoline.

or maybe I'm the only one who uses a spreadsheet to analyze that kind of crap, and I'm not worried about moving money around to accommodate different pleasures.

I wish I could be that organized; but, I'm too spontaneous. But, That's also you. Me? I'm one that would rather keep the 6 times going out and sacrifice a drive or two. I like cars. I REALLY enjoyed my STIs and WRX and autocrossing. But, I'm not an "enthusiast" on the level the people on this site claim to be. Those cars have always been a luxury to me. An "extra". But, I also think that if someone wants one...and can afford it; but, needs/wants to be conscience of gas prices, they can. The WRX is still an all around car. They still need it to do everyday things and to drive "easy" to watch the consumption. STI? Maybe different. With today's gas prices? Certainly should be a consideration.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by samagon

maybe I'm some kind of elite earner, but I don't think so. we go out to dinner as a family usually a max of 6x a month and it averages to probably $50 for dinner, if gas prices go up too much, I (and the wife) don't feel bad only going out 5x a month for dinner.

so essentially, I budget $300 a month for dinner out and $200 a month for gas. when gas prices get crazy enough to feel it, I budget $250 for dinner out so I can pack the remainder into the cost of gasoline.

or maybe I'm the only one who uses a spreadsheet to analyze that kind of crap, and I'm not worried about moving money around to accommodate different pleasures.

It costs me $50+/night to order take-out delivery for 2 people.

Now, I also remember when it used to be way cheaper. But your prices are super low for 2023.

That being said. I don't really care how much 93 costs. I put it in my Crosstreks. Or about MPG, my STI got 17 MPG usually.

[dowroa]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

People that drive WRX and STI slow and worry about MPG should drive something else. They're embarrassing.

hmm... I have owned quite a few WRX/STis and I currently drive my (VA1) STi slow on the road. I get about 31 mpg to work and back (40 mile, one way highway). On the local roads, I drive slow and get about 28mpg.

No one around me pays for my gas or maintains my car.

Now, when it is time to autoX/track/rallyX, that is when I drive fast.

Driving on the roads is basically pit lane speed. Why would I "drive fast" there?

[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by dowroa

hmm... I have owned quite a few WRX/STis and I currently drive my (VA1) STi slow on the road. I get about 31 mpg to work and back (40 mile, one way highway). On the local roads, I drive slow and get about 28mpg.

No one around me pays for my gas or maintains my car.

Now, when it is time to autoX/track/rallyX, that is when I drive fast.

Driving on the roads is basically pit lane speed. Why would I "drive fast" there?

At the end of the day, people can do whatever they want with their cars. That doesn't mean that it doesn't sound boring as crap, however. If I wanted a boring car to drive on a daily basis, I'd get anything but what you or I have.

Also, for someone who has owned many STIs, why do you keep calling it STi? Is it a bad habit you haven't unlearned? It's like calling a VA+ WRX/STI an Impreza WRX/STI.

[dowroa]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

At the end of the day, people can do whatever they want with their cars. That doesn't mean that it doesn't sound boring as crap, however. If I wanted a boring car to drive on a daily basis, I'd get anything but what you or I have.

Also, for someone who has owned many STIs, why do you keep calling it STi? Is it a bad habit you haven't unlearned? It's like calling a VA+ WRX/STI an Impreza WRX/STI.

hmm... who said I drive this every day or this isn't one of many cars I own?

So much anger.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by dowroa

hmm... I have owned quite a few WRX/STis and I currently drive my (VA1) STi slow on the road. I get about 31 mpg to work and back (40 mile, one way highway). On the local roads, I drive slow and get about 28mpg.



No one around me pays for my gas or maintains my car.



Now, when it is time to autoX/track/rallyX, that is when I drive fast.



Driving on the roads is basically pit lane speed. Why would I "drive fast" there?

Drive however you want. Even if I paid all your expenses, I still would never rob you of your "joy" of driving a fast car slow. Do I think it's a waste of a car? Yes. Did I say you have to drive 20 mph over the speed limit? No. Does it hurt my heart seeing a WRX/STI sitting in the slow lane when the next exit is 10 miles away? Absolutely. Every. Single. Time.

I'd probably get the same feeling if I saw a super fit marathon runner look like they were ready to run a marathon, but just saw them walking with their hands in their pocket and nowhere near the starting line. Is that their choice? Sure. Might I question why they dressed for the wrong occasion? Absolutely. Will I be inclined to actually inquire? Maybe, depending on how approachable they are. Someone like that is most likely off their rocker. Better for me to just take a picture of them and shame them publicly, online, amirite?

[dowroa]

So... don't drive anything other than a commuter car on the road if you aren't going to drive... how exactly on public roads?

I am really enthralled to see how these "real" drivers can explain how everyone should live up to your expectations on public roads.

Am I supposed to drive 8/10ths on my way to ViR or an autoX? Anything less and I should be towing it?

Please, enlighten me with your wisdom.

[dowroa]

Interesting double post. hmm.

[RonnieSoxs]

Originally Posted by dowroa

So... don't drive anything other than a commuter car on the road if you aren't going to drive... how exactly on public roads?

I am really enthralled to see how these "real" drivers can explain how everyone should live up to your expectations on public roads.

Am I supposed to drive 8/10ths on my way to ViR or an autoX? Anything less and I should be towing it?

Please, enlighten me with your wisdom.

Yes, you shall drive 8/10 sir. His feel feels supersede your free will and personal liberty.

Last time I was walking at the marathon he fixed me right up with a series of criticisms. Wait, what I meant was unsolicited questions.

I’ve been running ever since. It’s been about three years and two-and-a half months.

[RonnieSoxs]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Nah. Just stupid comment/idea that some latch onto that something just came along to prove it.

If Subaru claims to use a global chassis for its entire lineup I would see that as a topic worthy of debate. And an easy dig for anyone critical of the new gen.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by dowroa

So... don't drive anything other than a commuter car on the road if you aren't going to drive... how exactly on public roads?

I am really enthralled to see how these "real" drivers can explain how everyone should live up to your expectations on public roads.

Am I supposed to drive 8/10ths on my way to ViR or an autoX? Anything less and I should be towing it?

Please, enlighten me with your wisdom.

Yes.

Originally Posted by RonnieSoxs

Yes, you shall drive 8/10 sir. His feel feels supersede your free will and personal liberty.

Last time I was walking at the marathon he fixed me right up with a series of criticisms. Wait, what I meant was unsolicited questions.

I’ve been running ever since. It’s been about three years and two-and-a half months.

This guy is my spirit animal.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by RonnieSoxs

If Subaru claims to use a global chassis for its entire lineup I would see that as a topic worthy of debate. And an easy dig for anyone critical of the new gen.

Then the Impreza is just a Outback then.