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Old 10-13-2021, 02:20 PM   #2776
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it's an automatic, and we all know that most automatics these days are faster than manuals, subaru's CVT *I'm sorry SPT* garbage excluded. So it has the transmission advantage. It's also not going to be quite as nimble or ready for track duty as the CTR. So they're certainly not equivalent cars, that is, unless you're trying to get around one on the highway, and then they basically are.


Not specifically calling you out for this, but it's all really amusing. For years, Subaru fanbois loved that the wrx/sti put down good 0-60 and 1/4 mile times compared to the competition due to the awd and ability to aggressively launch. Now that even FWD cars are starting to keep up, everyone's just making excuses and saying that now acceleration doesn't matter. All just caught up in that fanboi world. Glad I branched out and moved on with life.
Personally I missed the phase you speak of above, my prior cars were a Subaru Impreza, Honda Insight, Honda Civic, Volvo S70. I never did car about off the line acceleration. Most of my prior cars were purchased for long distance commuting. Now that I don:t have a long commute I can have a fun car. But I don:t care if an accord or kia or anything else is quicker than my car. I don't drag race people, I don:t launch my car anyway. To me until I did not commute 90 miles a day a Subaru WRX was simply irrelevant, so I was not in the fan boy camp. It just made the most sense for a fun car for me here and now over any other car.
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Old 10-13-2021, 02:27 PM   #2777
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The problem is it is an expensive piece to throw away when it fails. And, it is failing more than it should. My problem is irbid a dealer only replacement. No aamco, no local rebuild.

Audi used the LUX chain setup also for a few years. They would only use it in fwd apps because, regardless of the number LUX was pushing, it couldn’t hold the power. Audi did the math and dropped the whole CVT for an 8 speed auto. The CVT was not efficient enough. That was 10+ years ago. I don’t know what FHI was thinking back then.

A chain CVT was an OK answer 10 years ago, in medium to low power applications. Now I think it’s just the wrong answer.

Even Nissan dumped the CVT in the new pathfinder for a 8 speed. Too much warranty costs. Subaru needs to quit fighting physics.

Sorry, I am done with CVT talk.

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Audi is the only other company that can be compared as it's the only one that used at least one thing similar. And they just chose not to continue that route.

Don't know what Subaru was thinking 10 years ago? How about going from 20city-26hwy to 22-29 while making it considerably larger. Or 20-26 to 27-36 on the Impreza? One of the big reasons people walked away from the lots back before then was too small and much lower MPG than it's competitors.

Not saying they don't have an issue and I am curious what they are planning to "fix" the issue. If it were as big an issue as many here seem to believe, I am sure they would find another way. Makes no sense to continue something if it's costing you more in warranty.
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Old 10-13-2021, 02:38 PM   #2778
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I do not understand the need to defend the CVT. It is a horrible choice for any performance car. They are great for economy cars whose only job is to sip fuel. If that is what Subaru wants to be known for great. But putting that 'thing' into a WRX is horrible.

Just had the Ascent oil changed at the Dealer. Choices for food were vegan seaweed crackers and pumpkin seed and Kale biscuits. I normally do not give a crap about complimentary food, as I just stick to coffee, but that was an abomination. I promise you after the Ascent lease us up my tenure with Subaru is done.
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Old 10-13-2021, 03:13 PM   #2779
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I do not understand the need to defend the CVT. It is a horrible choice for any performance car. They are great for economy cars whose only job is to sip fuel. If that is what Subaru wants to be known for great. But putting that 'thing' into a WRX is horrible.

Just had the Ascent oil changed at the Dealer. Choices for food were vegan seaweed crackers and pumpkin seed and Kale biscuits. I normally do not give a crap about complimentary food, as I just stick to coffee, but that was an abomination. I promise you after the Ascent lease us up my tenure with Subaru is done.
Agreed I had two cars with CVT trans, they were commuter cars though, I just wanted gas mileage and when I bought an Impreza I was happy with the all wheel drive. We have had Crosstrek as with CVT as well, as my wife has owned one. For its purpose I feel it is okay. I am not happy with complicated transmissions in cheap cars, take the Ford Focus, they had the dual clutch and every transmission was bad in every focus and fiesta they put it in. So you end up with a car that repair will cost far more than the car is worth. I like the WRX manual, I do not feel i would buy a WRX with a CVT though. I also now am spoiled and would not go back to an impreza either, I know because my wife has one and we drive it on family trips and I am happy to not own it myself.

If the new WRX does not grow on me, which I am moving the opposite as far as desire goes. I am inclined toward a Model 3 next go around.
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Old 10-13-2021, 04:05 PM   #2780
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Except drivers who review the WRX choose its competition, like the GTI, way more often than not. This applies even more to the STI.
Interesting as the WRX handily outsells the GTI in the US market.
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Old 10-13-2021, 04:20 PM   #2781
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Again. Marketing vs. real world performance. People across the world have been tricked into thinking they need AWD across the board. Unless they live in select rural areas, almost no one in my region needs AWD, yet they all have them in their SUV's. Compare FWD CRV to AWD CRV. It's less expensive, uses less fuel, and is probably more reliable. But, there's less markup, and a need for Honda to be "on par" with the competition.

Subaru has also done a brilliant job of directing consumers into thinking they're the safest, bulletproof, most pet friendly, and off-road capable vehicles. They also ride on their reputation for resale value, despite most of the consumers intending to trade them in, and get less for their money, anyway. (I do.) As soon as the WRX put a CVT in the VA, it was clear they were more interested in building this car for the masses, and that's fine. It's exactly why I see gray haired dads, and even a few women and grandpa aged people driving them. Yet, there are more engaging cars out there, with the GTI being the prime example. It may not have WRX numbers, but it has more excitement and practicality. Some might argue it has more handsome, yet subtle/adult, looks. I wouldn't be embarassed to drive one, and I wouldn't have to shrug my shoulders at people constantly asking if it was as fast as it looks...

It also comes from market driven competition. For example, in the US, most car seats have the plastic horizontal chest clips. Many European car seats do not, because they make no difference. Yet, one company made them in the US and chose to advertise it as an extra point of contact. A bunch of moms bought that car seat, because they wanted the facade of it being safer. Other car seats had to keep up with the competition, despite it being a complete facade. Now, they're almost standard across the board. AWD, in most circumstances, is the car seat clip.

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Old 10-13-2021, 04:26 PM   #2782
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Lol @ GTI being more engaging to drive, just stop.
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Old 10-13-2021, 05:31 PM   #2783
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It's exactly why I see gray haired dads, and even a few women and grandpa aged people driving them.
There's an obviously 70+ year old woman who lives around me that drives a VA WRX.
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Old 10-13-2021, 05:49 PM   #2784
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There's an obviously 70+ year old woman who lives around me that drives a VA WRX.
Never too old to have some fun in life.
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Indeed.



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Old 10-13-2021, 06:48 PM   #2786
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What a dweeb that ^^^^ guy. Err, I mean he's a visionary.
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:11 AM   #2788
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Subaru does it again. Looks like australia is getting the levorg as a WRX wagon

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Subaru does it again. Looks like australia is getting the levorg as a WRX wagon



Edit: Double post, i don't know how to delete on this website

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Old 10-14-2021, 06:59 AM   #2790
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Subaru does it again. Looks like australia is getting the levorg as a WRX wagon

Wow! So they just left the Levorg with no cladding and called it a WRX. Well that tells you how much money they had for this dumb car. No wonder the SPT is the big thing they are pushing lol.

In no way am I supporting the terrible cladding. I just find it funny that one is fully cladded and the other is a Levorg and looks so much better than the Sedan.

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Old 10-14-2021, 07:19 AM   #2791
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So apparently, according to an Australian article, they'll have the WRX and now the WRX Sportwagon. Levorg nomenclature has been dropped. Hilarious that the sedan gets the cladding. My oh my what is going on?!

I love how Subaru seems to favor the Dark Grey WRX since it obviously hides the cladding better and makes it less of a shock to behold. Without blowing up the picture, to me it actually looks pretty good. Cladding isn't obvious and the rear bumper is out of sight. Such a tragedy.
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Old 10-14-2021, 07:27 AM   #2792
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When ya gotta hide the cladding and the entire body shape in dark colors, there might be a problem.
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Old 10-14-2021, 07:42 AM   #2793
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Don't be too quick to judge kid. I'm one of those old dudes (71) and have been driving manual transmissions for 56 years. Everyone in my age group knows how to row a gear box as we learned it from a young age. I'd be more inclined to believe they are selling CVT's to those who never had to learn to drive a manual but still want to have some fun ie Young un's. And, not being ageist, I have no problem with that.
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Old 10-14-2021, 08:02 AM   #2794
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Lol @ GTI being more engaging to drive, just stop.
Yes, because the opinions of countless journalists, professional drivers, amateur reviewers, etc... don't matter. At first I thought people were being obnoxious, but now I understand why people have been dogging on your biased posts. It's like you can't imagine any car being better than the WRX/STI.

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The WRX from that angle and where you can't see the cladding looks great. It shows you how little they would have had to do to get it right.

The rear, though.... No fixing it.

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Don't be too quick to judge kid. I'm one of those old dudes (71) and have been driving manual transmissions for 56 years. Everyone in my age group knows how to row a gear box as we learned it from a young age. I'd be more inclined to believe they are selling CVT's to those who never had to learn to drive a manual but still want to have some fun ie Young un's. And, not being ageist, I have no problem with that.
I'd argue there are still quite a few WRX's sold to an older market who has no interested in shifting anymore, if they ever did. But, I think your assessment of the car being sold to young people is also correct. Many of whom don't care to drive a manual. I think this is increasing as 0-60 times go up for automatics (not talking about the WRX). The younger car generation seems to latch on to that marketing more.
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Most people aren’t enthusiasts. Also, as you grow older you grow out of that whole elitist “I’m a manual driver and you’re not you peasant!” bs some carry around like they’re asking for some participation trophy. So..yeah…CVT will sell.
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Speaking of manuals, looks like Australia Levorg will get WRX CVT engine/drivetrain only. No surprise there. Could have been a little exiting otherwise.
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Yes, because the opinions of countless journalists, professional drivers, amateur reviewers, etc... don't matter. At first I thought people were being obnoxious, but now I understand why people have been dogging on your biased posts. It's like you can't imagine any car being better than the WRX/STI.



The WRX from that angle and where you can't see the cladding looks great. It shows you how little they would have had to do to get it right.

The rear, though.... No fixing it.



I'd argue there are still quite a few WRX's sold to an older market who has no interested in shifting anymore, if they ever did. But, I think your assessment of the car being sold to young people is also correct. Many of whom don't care to drive a manual. I think this is increasing as 0-60 times go up for automatics (not talking about the WRX). The younger car generation seems to latch on to that marketing more.
Literally every single review pretty much states that the GTI is a bit numb or less engaging to drive than the competition...It is a big part of its "grown up" appeal. I owned few of them, heck I basically drive one but with a trunk. Just stop.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:03 AM   #2798
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Speaking of manuals, looks like Australia Levorg will get WRX CVT engine/drivetrain only. No surprise there. Could have been a little exiting otherwise.
Tom Doll leading Subaru Australia confirmed.
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Old 10-14-2021, 09:13 AM   #2799
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Of course they show it in a dark color, smart move on the marketing team
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Speaking of manuals, looks like Australia Levorg will get WRX CVT engine/drivetrain only. No surprise there. Could have been a little exiting otherwise.

Article I read said 6MT or CVT for the wagon.

I don’t like the skinny body or the truckish nature of the 2.4T, but those would have been compromises I’d have been willing to make for the wagon form factor and a 6MT. Hell, I’d have even been OK with the cladding on the wagon body if it meant the wider stance. All that on a sedan body is just a bridge too far, though.

Edit: Subaru’s press release says CVT only for the sportwagon. Motor1 got it wrong. Surprise!

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