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06-02-2015, 04:09 PM | #76 |
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06-02-2015, 10:51 PM | #78 |
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06-03-2015, 03:34 AM | #79 |
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06-03-2015, 06:25 AM | #80 | |
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0-60 in 5.8, 1/4 mile in 14.5 at 95mph, Street of Willow in 1:29.91. It bested the BRZ in all three. That's...uh... really goddamn quick for a stock Miata. Even with the lower curb weight, it sounds like those are a very healthy 155 horses. Could be SkyActive is helping put it to the ground too. Last edited by Skunkers; 06-03-2015 at 06:36 AM. |
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06-03-2015, 09:51 AM | #81 |
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I saw that post...
Yea, very healthy 155 horses. I suspect the performance is due to the "area under the curve" of the Skyactiv's broad power band, though I'm sure a low friction drivetrain helps too. We've seen this kind of thing a lot recently. The "240 hp" 228i is within a whisker of the same speed as the old 333 hp E46 M3. |
06-03-2015, 02:25 PM | #82 |
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Just to put that into perspective, a 1998 BMW M3 Convertible is listed as 5.9 zero-to-sixty and 14.3 in the quarter.
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06-03-2015, 04:28 PM | #83 |
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06-03-2015, 05:42 PM | #84 |
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It could be witchcraft, but I'm wondering if they are shipping car magazines ringers. Call me old, but under 6 seconds to 60mph is a fast street car in my book.
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06-03-2015, 07:24 PM | #86 | |
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I recall a car magazine stating (years ago) that their definition of "fast" was a car that traps the 1/4 mile in the 90's. Today, if a full-size pickup can't do that, it is considered an under-powered turd... living in a golden age. |
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06-04-2015, 08:48 AM | #87 |
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Everyone ships "special" cars to magazine reviews. Not quite the white-glove custom tuned cars Ferrari supplies, but they'll all get fresh tires, fresh brakes, fresh alignment, double-checked for all the latest and greatest software and calibration updates, etc.
I didn't think my NA Miata was slow, and it wasn't under 6 seconds to 60. It was likely a little quicker than stock as Hondaslappy put a lightweight flywheel on it before I bought it. Still, I'm looking forward to taking a new Miata for a drive. Probably going to order the Club edition. I think it looks great. |
06-04-2015, 12:43 PM | #88 | |
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I'm not being down on the ND at all, I just can't muster up too much excitement about it. |
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06-04-2015, 01:06 PM | #89 | ||
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06-04-2015, 01:11 PM | #90 | |
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That said, this has practically the same skyactive engine my GF's mazda 3 does, which is a good thing. It's a nice engine; move the 3 just fine. I never expect the miata to become a performance car with actual balls; I just want it to, since mazda seems intent on not making any actual performance vehicles any more in the fashion I want (rwd coupe). It's like there isn't a single foreign company that wants to tango with the american GT coupes. The two that I can think of that try fail hard (370z and genesis coupe). |
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06-04-2015, 01:17 PM | #91 | |
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Right now they are too hard to even get even with, much less beat. So it's best to go the markets above and below them. or take a different approach like lightweight handlers. |
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06-04-2015, 02:01 PM | #92 |
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One of the interesting things about a Miata is that it doesn't have "high performance" or "race inspired" or anything else competitive as one of its primary design goals. This means that when they do get slightly faster, it was a secondary goal or it was a side effect of some other design/engineering decision. Mazda knows that they just need to keep to the original formula so they don't ruin it.
Think of all the 2-seater sports cars that have come and gone since 1989. The downside is that they are always competing with the used Miata market. A good problem to have. |
06-04-2015, 02:13 PM | #93 |
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That's exactly what I'd like to see, but as it is, all these lightweight cars still need a bump in power to be competitive. I'd buy a 30k+ jap car what had the same HP/Weight ratio as a mustang GT, albeit much smaller (even an actual 2 seater!)and lighter. I don't need utility; my fiance has that covered. I suppose I already have the car I'm looking for, in the form of my s2000, but I'd love the opportunity to buy a new, modernized s2000. I love my track car, but it's not the same as the experience I have with the EVO which can only come from being the original and only owner throughout the car's whole life.
^That highly illogical side of me that I can't seem to shake Last edited by WRXHillClimb; 06-04-2015 at 02:18 PM. |
06-04-2015, 02:18 PM | #94 | |
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06-04-2015, 05:37 PM | #95 | |
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06-05-2015, 09:22 AM | #96 | |
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I know of a certain vehicle which will have a summer tire option. This option also adds a different cooling fan and I think different radiator. This option exists only to benefit media days where the car will see excessive, hard use and they need it to NOT overheat. 99% of buyers will never buy this package as they don't care about the summer tire option. It exists purely to help the car on media days. |
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06-05-2015, 03:32 PM | #97 | ||
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On the other hand, giving magazines a car which does not really represent the product available to consumers is not cricket. It's a fine line that many manufacturers have tiptoed across in the past. Is that magazine alignment specified in the service manual, or does it include settings which affect handling balance which would not be achievable within the limits of the factory specs? Unless you go to a shop that knows and services autocross & track day enthusiasts, it's almost impossible to convince them to go outside the factory specs. Quote:
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06-05-2015, 10:01 PM | #98 | |
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06-06-2015, 10:16 AM | #99 |
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Reminds me of the press Lincoln MKZ cars having Pilot Super Sports (iirc), when that's an option that precisely no real buyers would select.
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06-06-2015, 09:31 PM | #100 |
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Pretty much exactly what I was talking about.
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