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Old 05-21-2019, 11:42 PM   #751
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I'm comfortable with the truth being that Toyota would have a lot more to lose by lying than they would gain. Incentives are a good predictor of behavior.
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Surely they are smart enough to know that using ringers will end up badly for them. This isnít the 80s where dynamometer access was poor and it isnít a Ferrari where they really control who ends up with them.

Then again, we are living in the post-truth world. As long as you donít admit being incorrect or fault and keep slightly changing the message, you can apparently get away with lying.
Honestly, I'm more concerned about variations in dynos / operators. It's the first one to hit a dyno, who knows, maybe with more we will find that it needs to be in a specific gear or you get wonky readings.
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Like I mentioned in the other thread, I'll reserve my yay's until more (production, not press) cars have hit dynos.
I get the skepticism as look at Honda's Nurburgring time with a prototype Civic Type R to which stock cars have not come remotely close to matching but I think most people realize the ring times are somewhat fictional when it comes to actual vehicles that roll off the assembly line. It would be something different to provide the press souped-up cars to perform initial road tests. That would be kind of dirty and deceptive. That said I wouldn't be surprised if the press cars were broken in so when magazines perform tests on brand new production cars that the times may be slightly slower.
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Tires can be purchased and fitted immediately for track driving. So can brake pads and fluid. Unless there is an option box to check, every car rolling off an assembly line comes fitted with all conditions wearable items. This is where rags and manus numbers should be taken as a spectrum guideline for a vehicle’s performance potential rather than defending one number over another.

If it doesn’t take much more than a pair of stickier tires to put a stock Supra into the 11’s, yeah I can believe that torque number.
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Just learned the Supra’s chassis is stiffer than the LFA’s carbon mono.
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I get the skepticism as look at Honda's Nurburgring time with a prototype Civic Type R to which stock cars have not come remotely close to matching but I think most people realize the ring times are somewhat fictional when it comes to actual vehicles that roll off the assembly line. It would be something different to provide the press souped-up cars to perform initial road tests. That would be kind of dirty and deceptive. That said I wouldn't be surprised if the press cars were broken in so when magazines perform tests on brand new production cars that the times may be slightly slower.
They are most definitely pre broken in. They are also hand selected off the line, rigorously checked over and made perfect. Some have had special attention to the build of the motor, and suspension ensuring that the stock parts and build are PERFECT.

In the past some automakers also had what was known as "press package" cars, which are options packages that aren't advertised to the public. Usually the press package was just tires that were far better than the standard tires and maybe the dampers were higher quality. This would make the cars perform better under journalist testing.
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Great example of the latter would be the Lincoln MKZ, I believe, which was sent to the magazines with Pilot Super Sports on it.

Found it: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...-car/index.htm
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