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Old 01-11-2019, 04:14 PM   #401
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I think the front and rear splitters make it look super awkward. The thicker parts on the sides terminate before the wheel wells and make it look like an ill-fitting eBay part. If you could get it without those I think I'd like the overall flow of the looks more.
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:20 AM   #402
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This will be easily over $50k well optioned at that point I'd just buy something else.
The Z4 is a really good car so I don't see it being based on that car as an issue. It's not like Toyota has a lot of expertise making sports cars anymore as look at the RC F which is slow and bloated. What RWD car is going to be considerably better at $50k? M2C starts close to $60k. The Audi and MB options in this price range are FWD based.
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Old 01-13-2019, 09:25 AM   #403
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The Z4 is a really good car so I don't see it being based on that car as an issue. It's not like Toyota has a lot of expertise making sports cars anymore as look at the RC F which is slow and bloated. What RWD car is going to be considerably better at $50k? M2C starts close to $60k. The Audi and MB options in this price range are FWD based.
Biggest issue I see with it being basically a BMW is now it will have BMW long term reliability and maintenance costs which are not in line with the last generation Supra where both were basically like any other Toyota.

The only other thing I will add is that Toyota’s of old were hopelessly over engineered so that you could pull enormous power out of them with minimal modification and they still be reliable. BMWs are good for about 20% over stock before you have reliability issues in the remaining stock parts. Just doesn’t live up to the first (Toyota) or last (Supra) names on the name plate basing it on traditional BMW build quality.

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Old 01-13-2019, 02:05 PM   #404
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Take a look at the reliability charts. BMW is a perennial top 10 brand higher than most of the Japanese brands. The BMW forums I frequent these days are pretty boring when it comes to problems because there aren't really many and I'm actually surprised how many members are still driving E46 M3's today. I do agree that out of warranty replacement parts will be higher but then again if you can afford a $50k plus car you probably can afford to pay a bit more for repairs. Toyota doesn't really build any vehicles where they need to over-engineer anymore and to be honest the cars they build today are nowhere near as overbuilt as they were in the past. Their reliably reputation has been based on simple, lower tech cars and using the same dated powertrains over and over as Toyota is no longer an innovator. Does anyone see Toyota investing money into a new engine that's going to be as efficient and high tech as the B58 for a low volume car like a Supra? Not going to happen as they barely put money into their existing drivetrains. When you talk about 90's Toyota you are talking about a company that does not exist today.

This is the only way there is going to be a new generation of Toyota Supra so if it's a good car you either embrace it or pout that it's not the 90's and drive something else that's probably not as good.

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Old 01-14-2019, 10:33 AM   #405
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:40 AM   #406
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From Motor Trend
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyo...st-look-review

PRICE $50,920
LAYOUT Front-engine, RWD, 2-pass, 2-door coupe/hatch
ENGINE 3.0L/335-hp/365-lb-ft turbocharged DOHC 24-valve I-6
TRANSMISSION 8-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT 3,397 lb (mfr est)
WHEELBASE 97.2 in
TRACK WIDTH F/R 62.8/62.6 in

I'll just take loaded Mustang thanks.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:08 AM   #407
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It might drive great, but numbers sell cars. This car doesn’t have the power or weight numbers for the price to be over 1000 units in the US annually after the first year. Leaving the particulate filter in that robs it of 50hp was a boneheaded move.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:11 AM   #408
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Shoot, I'll take a base Cayman. 300hp, manual, and weighs 400lbs less. Yeah it won't be quite as nicely appointed in terms of creature comfort / features, and maybe not sound as good, but may be the better driver.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:14 AM   #409
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It might drive great, but numbers sell cars. This car doesn’t have the power or weight numbers for the price to be over 1000 units in the US annually after the first year. Leaving the particulate filter in that robs it of 50hp was a boneheaded move.
First year excitement, second year fix the stuff that didn't work, 3rd year HP bump and revised suspension with a 30% price bump. "Special Edition" and the hits just keep on commin'.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:39 AM   #410
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:51 AM   #411
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pretty disappoint.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:58 AM   #412
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I need to see it in person. The shots i've seen from friends on instagram and snapchat from NAIAS in the white color look a lot nicer.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:11 PM   #413
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Well, that interior is just so, bland.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:13 PM   #414
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The base 3.0 is at $50k (was expecting a higher price). Still, $50k is a lot. The car should have a manual option, even if it's slower.

Toyota is saying 4.1s 0-60. So Toyota must be under rating the engine as much as BMW does.

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Old 01-14-2019, 12:13 PM   #415
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:22 PM   #416
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Dealer markup will be big now that it's Finally available.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:26 PM   #417
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Wait...it's an automatic as in torque converter or as in DCT?
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:31 PM   #418
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Toyota killed this car before it even hits the market with that price. Fail. Mustang please even given the ac issues/BBQ tick.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:33 PM   #419
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Wait...it's an automatic as in torque converter or as in DCT?
Torque Converter I believe with paddle shifters. But, they've come a long way in 5-10 years, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some new trickery.

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Old 01-14-2019, 12:49 PM   #420
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Is it just me or did they fail to transfer the magic from the concept to the production car? It looks awful.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:17 PM   #422
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Wait...it's an automatic as in torque converter or as in DCT?
Should be using the ZF 8 Speed like most BMW's. Its a very good transmission for an auto, shifts really quick.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:39 PM   #423
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The Lowest Four-Cylinder 2020 Toyota Supra Gets 194 HP, Less Than the 86

https://jalopnik.com/the-lowest-four...-hp-1831734785

BRZ/GT86 ver 2.0 maybe.

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Old 01-14-2019, 01:52 PM   #424
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https://toyotagazooracing.com/gr/supra/specs/

Three engines.

Funny thing is, the lesser two power specs? Get wider tires.

Something is amiss.

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Normally I'd wonder how long until a 2JZ and R154 find it's way in there. But after seeing the pictures I think it's far to fugly to waste a 2JZ and R154 on.
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