To Anti-Lift Kit..? Or, Not to Anti-Lift..? PSRS (+Video)

krylon · 10-06-2009, 12:42 AM

Anyone currently using or used a "PSRS" or "Anti-Lift Kit"..?
My DD GC8 (EJ257 inside) is currently running Whiteline Front Roll Center Adjustment Kit and was wondering to jump into the other kit mentioned above..? .
As I drive in some of the crappiest streets/highways around.. i was looking for less pull on steering when i enter shi**y roads, etc. I have 17x8 (235/45), TEIN Super Streets, Whiteline's Balljoint/Tie rod upgrade and 22mm adj. SB /Perrin Links, STI Alum Control Arms up front.

Just wanted to know if anyone (GC8/LGT/FXT/STi/WRX) is running the Anti-L/PSRS Kits on only setups consisting of at least NON-OEM Suspension/wheels and can provide me with any feedback. Thanks!

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Back Road Runner · 10-06-2009, 01:22 AM

The bushings will do very little for pull on rough roads. This is much more an issue with the tire/wheel package. As well, Subaru steering isn't exactly an anti-feedback type system, so expect some.

krylon · 10-06-2009, 01:53 AM

After the install of Whitelines Roll Kit... I have to say the wheels feel flat to the floor at all times.. Tread wear is going well.. but, I still have some pull. Perrin's Kit claims to stop/reduce this slight pull feeling with the PSRS. I really don;t mind it... it just scares the shi* outta my old lady..

Fierysun · 10-06-2009, 02:28 AM

The Whiteline ALK does increase your caster, so that will help in keeping the car going straight. Have you done the free caster mod?

krylon · 10-06-2009, 02:45 AM

The watcha ma caster..??

silver-duck · 10-06-2009, 07:50 AM

I have the W/L ALK kit on my 06 wrx with too many mods to list now. I like it ; straight line stability is increased[very stable on track at high speeds]

Calamity Jesus · 10-06-2009, 08:16 AM

The additional caster and firmer bushing should help tremendously with wandering over washboards and reduce tramlining. I can't speak for the anti-lift geometry (lowering the rear of the control arm).. but the other two were true on my '08 WRX when I installed the AVO caster bushings (the front suspension bolts up a different way on the GE/GH/GR Imprezas). It used to wander badly over some rough pavement near my house.. then it tracked perfectly after the bushings.. the slight increase in NVH wasn't an issue.

That said, since you drive on such rough roads, I'd recommend one of the Whiteline kits rather than the Perrin PSRS since Whiteline uses urethane bushings and Perrin uses a metal spherical bushing.

575rider · 10-07-2009, 12:49 AM

I have the Whiteline ALK and it's pretty awesome. The car definitely doesn't track in road grooves like it used to. The brake dive and acceleration squat are considerably close to being gone. Only during the serious braking of a track day do I notice some dive. It also really helps getting power down out of corners too. I'd highly recommend it, it's one largely noticeable modification.
My susp mods are the ALK, fr&rr sways with endlinks, upper strut tie bars at both ends, Eibach Prokit sedan springs, Tokico D-Spec struts, H brace, and fender braces. So, I meet your non-stock suspension or wheel criteria. The car also puts down close to 290 whp with high 270's wtq. So the better bite in the front out of corners does make a difference.

krylon · 10-07-2009, 01:13 AM

Ahh, this is what im talking about... exactly the feedback I am looking for. Thank you guys..

Im hoping the car will track perfectly now, with these mods. The car only makes 320whp 93oct and noticed some nasty feedback when braking too.. less now with the whiteline roll kit..and hope to reduce at least 30% more and ill be good.
Can you imagine my feelings when my wife is driving and we hit some uneven, groovy highway and she is trying to correct the steering with the most frightened look in her eyes.... HELL IF SHE WOULD SEE MINE...!! No LIE, I want to vomit.. i get so fricken scared...! I lean my seat alll the waayyyy back.. so I cant see anything.

todeswalzer · 10-07-2009, 02:41 AM

im runnin 17x9s with 245/40s, stance gr+ pro coilovers sittin at 4" ride height all around... so i feel your pain here.

i got a p.s.r.s. sittin next to me waiting to be installed soon, hopefully thatll help with a lot of the major pull i get when im slowing down. usually its no issue but man is it scary sometimes when it bites hard/comes out of nowhere and i dont have an extremely firm grip on the wheel

krylon · 10-07-2009, 03:42 AM

hope you got em on sale.. Perrin, lowered the price to $169 and still have extra 18% off on top of that...

Uncle Scotty · 10-07-2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon

Ahh, this is what im talking about... exactly the feedback I am looking for. Thank you guys..

Im hoping the car will track perfectly now, with these mods. The car only makes 320whp 93oct and noticed some nasty feedback when braking too.. less now with the whiteline roll kit..and hope to reduce at least 30% more and ill be good.
Can you imagine my feelings when my wife is driving and we hit some uneven, groovy highway and she is trying to correct the steering with the most frightened look in her eyes.... HELL IF SHE WOULD SEE MINE...!! No LIE, I want to vomit.. i get so fricken scared...! I lean my seat alll the waayyyy back.. so I cant see anything.

you have a mechanical issue and/or a bad alignment

the car shouldnt want to jump off the road like that and any 'alk' isnt gonna fix that

I suspect a BAD-BAD alignment

todeswalzer · 10-07-2009, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon

hope you got em on sale.. Perrin, lowered the price to $169 and still have extra 18% off on top of that...

got the 18% off but not the $169. $229 on the site right now(and what i paid...-18%) I dont know where you saw $169 but damn thats a crazy deal

also to the post above me, im in dire need of an alignment. i swear to god i can actually see the toe out, thats how bad it is

krylon · 10-08-2009, 12:08 AM

Its was for the STi PSRS, as the WRX / STI versions differ. I just went to check and their server is down, my luck they are updating all the prices, So i can look crazy. The total was like $139.. The Perrin version has the rubber like bushing on that set, right? The 08+ models have a metal and I can just see that being harsh as all hell.

What the hell....!! I was searching to see if I can find the price noted in a search engine and found this.. I can just gut my mounts and replace with Perrin $22 Poly Bushing that will provide the same affect..!!! What the heck is the 3xtra $200 for.. anodized mounts..?? Isnt the part number listed the same as the PSRS system??

http://www.maperformance.com/perrin-...g-upgrade.html

krylon · 10-08-2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Scotty

you have a mechanical issue and/or a bad alignment

the car shouldnt want to jump off the road like that and any 'alk' isnt gonna fix that

I suspect a BAD-BAD alignment

Not jumping.. just pulling in the wheel... more of annoyance really. Like driving on a old bridge with grating, that slight pull side to side, its just lil worse.

todeswalzer · 10-08-2009, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon

Its was for the STi PSRS, as the WRX / STI versions differ. I just went to check and their server is down, my luck they are updating all the prices, So i can look crazy. The total was like $139.. The Perrin version has the rubber like bushing on that set, right? The 08+ models have a metal and I can just see that being harsh as all hell.

What the hell....!! I was searching to see if I can find the price noted in a search engine and found this.. I can just gut my mounts and replace with Perrin $22 Poly Bushing that will provide the same affect..!!! What the heck is the 3xtra $200 for.. anodized mounts..?? Isnt the part number listed the same as the PSRS system??

http://www.maperformance.com/perrin-...g-upgrade.html

yeah its a hard black rubber/urethane bushing

im pretty sure that those red bushings are just replacements in the PSRS system for a less NVH ride. not sure if anyone has tried them on stock mounts? my PSRS actually came with a set of the red bushings i can try them in my stock mounts once removed just to see if they'd even fit

krylon · 10-08-2009, 12:37 AM

That would be great to know, if they do fit!!!! I'll let you be the guinea pig..
When are you doing install??

todeswalzer · 10-08-2009, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon

That would be great to know, if they do fit!!!! I'll let you be the guinea pig..
When are you doing install??

Dont know!

Maybe next tuesday, not sure, as my days off are tuesday and wednesday, i work weekends.

im waiting for my sway bars/links to come in before i install the psrs so can do it all at once

and im debating buying an sti rack

but most likely itll happen next week.

krylon · 10-08-2009, 12:56 AM

Good luck w/ install and be safe under there...

todeswalzer · 10-08-2009, 01:03 AM

Yeah Ill go from this:

Stance GR+ Pro's (w/ helper spring)
Turn In Concepts Fender Cowl Braces
Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings
Whiteline Rear Subframe Lockdown Kit
Work Wheels Emotion CR Kai (17x9 +44)
Ebay Front/Rear Strut Bars
Ebay H Brace

To This

Perrin Positive Steering Response System
Whiteline 24MM adjustable front and rear swaybars
Whiteline HD front and rear endlinks
Whiteline HD Rear sway mounts
Stance GR+ Pro's (w/ helper spring)
Turn In Concepts Fender Cowl Braces
Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings
Whiteline Rear Subframe Lockdown Kit
Work Wheels Emotion CR Kai (17x9 +44)
Ebay Front/Rear Strut Bars
Ebay H Brace

i cant wait to take on some twisties!

krylon · 10-08-2009, 01:16 AM

You so have to do the Whiteline Roll Kit... !!!!! Trust me..!

todeswalzer · 10-08-2009, 01:22 AM

yeah RCA's are on my short list. i almost bought the bullet and ordered em with my sways

how much did they change the ride?

krylon · 10-08-2009, 10:42 PM

Honestly, I have to say it's probably one of my best purchases. Since moving up 235/245 tires.. it almost feels stock to me. High/low speed fairly tight turns seem effortless.
I was watching a short video today on how the Roll kit and ALK used on a stock suspension WRX w/ the Euro larger OEM wheels improved w/ good numbers to boot on the track. I was impressed, and now considering to give up my coilovers for my DD.

YouTube - Project STi by Whiteline Suspension

krylon · 10-08-2009, 10:57 PM

In no way am I endorsing/pushing whiteline products. However they are one of favorite companies, since they nearly started these kits from the ground up. I do wish their painted products held up better in the enviroment. On both my GC8's, all my undercarriage whiteline bits that I have, have seem to have their paint flaking off. The other companies I have under there, seem to be holding up just fine, with no paint flake or rusting.

Uncle Scotty · 10-09-2009, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krylon

In no way am I endorsing/pushing whiteline products. However they are one of favorite companies, since they nearly started these kits from the ground up. I do wish their painted products held up better in the enviroment. On both my GC8's, all my undercarriage whiteline bits that I have, have seem to have their paint flaking off. The other companies I have under there, seem to be holding up just fine, with no paint flake or rusting.

I'd rather have good bits that I hadda re-paint than **** bits that were all shiny and garbage

10-06-2009, 12:42 AM	#1
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	To Anti-Lift Kit..? Or, Not to Anti-Lift..? PSRS (+Video) Anyone currently using or used a "PSRS" or "Anti-Lift Kit"..? My DD GC8 (EJ257 inside) is currently running Whiteline Front Roll Center Adjustment Kit and was wondering to jump into the other kit mentioned above..? . As I drive in some of the crappiest streets/highways around.. i was looking for less pull on steering when i enter shi*y roads, etc. I have 17x8 (235/45), TEIN Super Streets, Whiteline's Balljoint/Tie rod upgrade and 22mm adj. SB /Perrin Links, STI Alum Control Arms up front. Just wanted to know if anyone (GC8/LGT/FXT/STi/WRX) is running the Anti-L/PSRS Kits on only setups consisting of at least NON-OEM Suspension/wheels and can provide me with any feedback. Thanks! Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by krylon; 10-08-2009 at 10:54 PM.

10-06-2009, 02:45 AM	#5
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	err.. The watcha ma caster..??

10-08-2009, 12:08 AM	#14
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	Me No Crazy! Its was for the STi PSRS, as the WRX / STI versions differ. I just went to check and their server is down, my luck they are updating all the prices, So i can look crazy. The total was like $139.. The Perrin version has the rubber like bushing on that set, right? The 08+ models have a metal and I can just see that being harsh as all hell. What the hell....!! I was searching to see if I can find the price noted in a search engine and found this.. I can just gut my mounts and replace with Perrin $22 Poly Bushing that will provide the same affect..!!! What the heck is the 3xtra $200 for.. anodized mounts..?? Isnt the part number listed the same as the PSRS system?? http://www.maperformance.com/perrin-...g-upgrade.html Last edited by krylon; 10-08-2009 at 12:17 AM.

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Back Road Runner Scooby Guru Member#: 60082 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Minnesota Vehicle: 2004 Forester STI Silver	The bushings will do very little for pull on rough roads. This is much more an issue with the tire/wheel package. As well, Subaru steering isn't exactly an anti-feedback type system, so expect some.

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krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	After the install of Whitelines Roll Kit... I have to say the wheels feel flat to the floor at all times.. Tread wear is going well.. but, I still have some pull. Perrin's Kit claims to stop/reduce this slight pull feeling with the PSRS. I really don;t mind it... it just scares the shi* outta my old lady..

10-06-2009, 02:28 AM	#4
Fierysun Scooby Guru Member#: 82745 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: So Cal Vehicle: 2005 Subaru STI 2003 EJ207 S204 Wagon	The Whiteline ALK does increase your caster, so that will help in keeping the car going straight. Have you done the free caster mod?

10-06-2009, 07:50 AM	#6
silver-duck Scooby Specialist Member#: 130710 Join Date: Oct 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Wenatchee Wa. Vehicle: 06	I have the W/L ALK kit on my 06 wrx with too many mods to list now. I like it ; straight line stability is increased[very stable on track at high speeds]

10-06-2009, 08:16 AM	#7
Calamity Jesus Scooby Guru Member#: 44501 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Yeah, well, you know Vehicle: that 's, like, your alternate facts, man.	The additional caster and firmer bushing should help tremendously with wandering over washboards and reduce tramlining. I can't speak for the anti-lift geometry (lowering the rear of the control arm).. but the other two were true on my '08 WRX when I installed the AVO caster bushings (the front suspension bolts up a different way on the GE/GH/GR Imprezas). It used to wander badly over some rough pavement near my house.. then it tracked perfectly after the bushings.. the slight increase in NVH wasn't an issue. That said, since you drive on such rough roads, I'd recommend one of the Whiteline kits rather than the Perrin PSRS since Whiteline uses urethane bushings and Perrin uses a metal spherical bushing.

10-07-2009, 12:49 AM	#8
575rider Scooby Specialist Member#: 112024 Join Date: Apr 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Bends epic singletrack Vehicle: 03 WRX 6sp wgn '12HondaFit, C Bronson	I have the Whiteline ALK and it's pretty awesome. The car definitely doesn't track in road grooves like it used to. The brake dive and acceleration squat are considerably close to being gone. Only during the serious braking of a track day do I notice some dive. It also really helps getting power down out of corners too. I'd highly recommend it, it's one largely noticeable modification. My susp mods are the ALK, fr&rr sways with endlinks, upper strut tie bars at both ends, Eibach Prokit sedan springs, Tokico D-Spec struts, H brace, and fender braces. So, I meet your non-stock suspension or wheel criteria. The car also puts down close to 290 whp with high 270's wtq. So the better bite in the front out of corners does make a difference.

10-07-2009, 01:13 AM	#9
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	Ahh, this is what im talking about... exactly the feedback I am looking for. Thank you guys.. Im hoping the car will track perfectly now, with these mods. The car only makes 320whp 93oct and noticed some nasty feedback when braking too.. less now with the whiteline roll kit..and hope to reduce at least 30% more and ill be good. Can you imagine my feelings when my wife is driving and we hit some uneven, groovy highway and she is trying to correct the steering with the most frightened look in her eyes.... HELL IF SHE WOULD SEE MINE...!! No LIE, I want to vomit.. i get so fricken scared...! I lean my seat alll the waayyyy back.. so I cant see anything.

10-07-2009, 02:41 AM	#10
todeswalzer Scooby Specialist Member#: 191495 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Lowell MA Vehicle: '05 WRB GTX3071R JDM V8 EJ207 USDM 6MT	im runnin 17x9s with 245/40s, stance gr+ pro coilovers sittin at 4" ride height all around... so i feel your pain here. i got a p.s.r.s. sittin next to me waiting to be installed soon, hopefully thatll help with a lot of the major pull i get when im slowing down. usually its no issue but man is it scary sometimes when it bites hard/comes out of nowhere and i dont have an extremely firm grip on the wheel

10-07-2009, 03:42 AM	#11
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	hope you got em on sale.. Perrin, lowered the price to $169 and still have extra 18% off on top of that...

10-08-2009, 12:37 AM	#17
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	That would be great to know, if they do fit!!!! I'll let you be the guinea pig.. When are you doing install??

10-08-2009, 12:56 AM	#19
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	Good luck w/ install and be safe under there...

10-08-2009, 01:03 AM	#20
todeswalzer Scooby Specialist Member#: 191495 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Lowell MA Vehicle: '05 WRB GTX3071R JDM V8 EJ207 USDM 6MT	Yeah Ill go from this: Stance GR+ Pro's (w/ helper spring) Turn In Concepts Fender Cowl Braces Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings Whiteline Rear Subframe Lockdown Kit Work Wheels Emotion CR Kai (17x9 +44) Ebay Front/Rear Strut Bars Ebay H Brace To This Perrin Positive Steering Response System Whiteline 24MM adjustable front and rear swaybars Whiteline HD front and rear endlinks Whiteline HD Rear sway mounts Stance GR+ Pro's (w/ helper spring) Turn In Concepts Fender Cowl Braces Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings Whiteline Rear Subframe Lockdown Kit Work Wheels Emotion CR Kai (17x9 +44) Ebay Front/Rear Strut Bars Ebay H Brace i cant wait to take on some twisties!

10-08-2009, 01:16 AM	#21
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	You so have to do the Whiteline Roll Kit... !!!!! Trust me..!

10-08-2009, 01:22 AM	#22
todeswalzer Scooby Specialist Member#: 191495 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Lowell MA Vehicle: '05 WRB GTX3071R JDM V8 EJ207 USDM 6MT	yeah RCA's are on my short list. i almost bought the bullet and ordered em with my sways how much did they change the ride?

10-08-2009, 10:57 PM	#24
krylon Scooby Specialist Member#: 56761 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NYC Vehicle: 9599 EJ255 EJ257 GC8 Rally Blues	In no way am I endorsing/pushing whiteline products. However they are one of favorite companies, since they nearly started these kits from the ground up. I do wish their painted products held up better in the enviroment. On both my GC8's, all my undercarriage whiteline bits that I have, have seem to have their paint flaking off. The other companies I have under there, seem to be holding up just fine, with no paint flake or rusting.