2026 subaru outback news?!

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Suisse

New material:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Subaru_Outb...igan/#lightbox

LOL comments are spot-on.

Way to F up another design Subaru!

You are the best at creating train-wreck designs! You make something halfway decent, then proceed to ruin it. Every. Time. Ok, BRZ and 2015-2021 WRX/STi is the exception.

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[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

LOL comments are spot-on.

Way to F up another design Subaru!

You are the best at creating train-wreck designs! You make something halfway decent, then proceed to ruin it. Every. Time. Ok, BRZ and 2015-2021 WRX/STi is the exception.

You can drop the BRZ. That was Toyota!

[bugatti0628]

The official reveal of the outback is only a month away. But I keep thinking about either the current hyundai SantaFe or land rover defender 130 based on the spyshots. However, I dont believe the new outback will have a third row. It will simply be more cargo space instead. While I know the new outback will have more ground clearance than the Sante fe, I dont see it being more than the land rover defender. And the outback will still be a unibody, not body on frame like the land rover. My only hope for the new frame is that it allows for more towing capacity with the wilderness trim. I believe the hybrid trim will be delayed till next year. The longer and heavier frame might require some adjustments to the hybrid drivetrain. This is especially true for implementing a hybrid for the 2.4 turbo. But will the outback or brand new ascent get the 2.4 turbo hybrid first

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

The official reveal of the outback is only a month away. But I keep thinking about either the current hyundai SantaFe or land rover defender 130 based on the spyshots. However, I dont believe the new outback will have a third row. It will simply be more cargo space instead. While I know the new outback will have more ground clearance than the Sante fe, I dont see it being more than the land rover defender. And the outback will still be a unibody, not body on frame like the land rover. My only hope for the new frame is that it allows for more towing capacity with the wilderness trim. I believe the hybrid trim will be delayed till next year. The longer and heavier frame might require some adjustments to the hybrid drivetrain. This is especially true for implementing a hybrid for the 2.4 turbo. But will the outback or brand new ascent get the 2.4 turbo hybrid first

This reads like one of those AI generated clickbait articles.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

The official reveal of the outback is only a month away. But I keep thinking about either the current hyundai SantaFe or land rover defender 130 based on the spyshots. However, I dont believe the new outback will have a third row. It will simply be more cargo space instead. While I know the new outback will have more ground clearance than the Sante fe, I dont see it being more than the land rover defender. And the outback will still be a unibody, not body on frame like the land rover. My only hope for the new frame is that it allows for more towing capacity with the wilderness trim. I believe the hybrid trim will be delayed till next year. The longer and heavier frame might require some adjustments to the hybrid drivetrain. This is especially true for implementing a hybrid for the 2.4 turbo. But will the outback or brand new ascent get the 2.4 turbo hybrid first

What makes you think they will electrify the turbo? And what is this "longer and heavier" frame?

[Gixhost]

I am very interested to see how this new Outback is received after ditching the wagon body style. All this forum talk of Subaru hating their performance cars and catering to people who want SUVs. I'm not buying it.

Its easy to see they are trying to get the biggest return they can on what they have to offer which has always been the case. They are too small to have the diversity of other manufacturers. When they did sell more hatches and wagons you saw them all the time.

People who don't want Subarus don't buy them, period. People who do don't mind the wagons and the Ascent attempted to fill the gap for those that truly needed something larger. Those that feel they've outgrown the brand as their income goes up are a lost cause as well.

CVTs kept me from buying a new Subaru twice now. Focusing on better drivetrain technology should be their goal IMHO. Again, they can't afford to have traditional automatics and CVTs going at the same time. They need the efficiency of a CVT for fuel economy. The hybrids eCVT will help but the price of them will not.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

What makes you think they will electrify the turbo? And what is this "longer and heavier" frame?

the outback does have a longer and heavier frame than the forester and the crosstrek. The forester hybrid is about to go on sale and the crosstrek hybrid will follow later in the year. If they intend to add a hybrid trim to the outback, the frame is longer and heavier than the forester and crosstrek. That is what I'm pertaining too. We don't know if they will introduce 2.4 turbo hybrid yet for a new ascent. But such an engine could also find it's way to the outback if they did

[subySerb]

Originally Posted by Gixhost

I am very interested to see how this new Outback is received after ditching the wagon body style. All this forum talk of Subaru hating their performance cars and catering to people who want SUVs. I'm not buying it.

Its easy to see they are trying to get the biggest return they can on what they have to offer which has always been the case. They are too small to have the diversity of other manufacturers. When they did sell more hatches and wagons you saw them all the time.

People who don't want Subarus don't buy them, period. People who do don't mind the wagons and the Ascent attempted to fill the gap for those that truly needed something larger. Those that feel they've outgrown the brand as their income goes up are a lost cause as well.

CVTs kept me from buying a new Subaru twice now. Focusing on better drivetrain technology should be their goal IMHO. Again, they can't afford to have traditional automatics and CVTs going at the same time. They need the efficiency of a CVT for fuel economy. The hybrids eCVT will help but the price of them will not.

Subaru now sells 50% more cars than Mazda. Yet, Mazda is putting turbo engines in every single car line that they make. Why can't Subaru do that?

[b4wantab]

Originally Posted by subySerb

Subaru now sells 50% more cars than Mazda. Yet, Mazda is putting turbo engines in every single car line that they make. Why can't Subaru do that?

Emissions. Toyota couldn't help them, I don't see what SOA can do. They will have to evolve away from the over-square boxer just like they evolved into it. I think Subaru planned on going all electric long-term anyway.

Peace,

Greg

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by subySerb

Subaru now sells 50% more cars than Mazda. Yet, Mazda is putting turbo engines in every single car line that they make. Why can't Subaru do that?

Probably because Subaru puts AWD in almost ever single car that they make. Also, Mazda is a larger volume car company globally.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by subySerb

Subaru now sells 50% more cars than Mazda. Yet, Mazda is putting turbo engines in every single car line that they make. Why can't Subaru do that?

Re-read what you wrote. They don't need to spend money on complicated and higher warranty repair turbo engines. They sell appliances like hotcakes.

[subySerb]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Re-read what you wrote. They don't need to spend money on complicated and higher warranty repair turbo engines. They sell appliances like hotcakes.

But Subaru has been making turbo engines for decades now, it's not complicated at all. I'm just saying that Subaru being small is not an excuse to offer more choices to consumers. Subarus are selling just fine as is and Subaru doesn't need to invest more money to offer more choices.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

the outback does have a longer and heavier frame than the forester and the crosstrek. The forester hybrid is about to go on sale and the crosstrek hybrid will follow later in the year. If they intend to add a hybrid trim to the outback, the frame is longer and heavier than the forester and crosstrek. That is what I'm pertaining too. We don't know if they will introduce 2.4 turbo hybrid yet for a new ascent. But such an engine could also find it's way to the outback if they did

They are all still SGP. I doubt the Outback is "that" much of a difference when it comes to that frame. Which was made ready for hybrids....originally.

Originally Posted by b4wantab

Emissions. Toyota couldn't help them, I don't see what SOA can do. They will have to evolve away from the over-square boxer just like they evolved into it. I think Subaru planned on going all electric long-term anyway.

Peace,

Greg

Subaru is committed to ICE for a long time to come while adding hybrid and BEV to their lineup.

Originally Posted by subySerb

But Subaru has been making turbo engines for decades now, it's not complicated at all. I'm just saying that Subaru being small is not an excuse to offer more choices to consumers. Subarus are selling just fine as is and Subaru doesn't need to invest more money to offer more choices.

More offerings does mean more money. And complication. One of the problems with manual transmission options was having what the customer wanted available. Lets say we had a KLE 21 in CR4. But, the customer wants a KLA 01 in DBL. The cars sit because we don't have exactly what they want. We had a base Forester MT that sat on the lot and had a birthday while here. No one wanted a base Forester stick in that color. No matter how much we took off the price. FINALLY someone did. Elsewhere. We traded it. Shoot, I think we paid that retailer to take it. Getting that right combo of models/options/colors is why, I guess, they call it inventory "complexity". Looking at the options right now, Subaru can build right at 632 different cars before starting over. Just by adding an engine option will increase that dramatically. Plus, as mentioned, they haven't gotten their turbos correct with emissions yet. WHY? Yeah, I ask the same question.

[Goempie]

Every now and then I have contact with people from Subaru. With Mr Hori from Japan and also the boss of Subaru Europe. Now it is very difficult to make products that will simultaneously be sold well all over the world.
Of course the focus goes to the USA. It is not difficult. But I have been shouting all the time that they have to revitalize the European market. It will also be necessary. Yes, the hybrids that are now coming to you will sell like hot cakes. But they will not come to us in Europe. They still pollute too much for us.
But a whole series of fully electric cars has been announced with much fanfare. And that is where the problem lies. America is a special market. If you look at states in the USA where Subaru achieves the best sales figures, then there is the least chance of selling fully electric cars there. There is also almost no infrastructure provided there. So there is a great risk of flooding the dealers with unsellable cars. Yes, there are opportunities if you boost your dealer network in the US markets where it is possible. You will mainly have to exploit California with new dealers, but also Florida and Texas, New Jersey and New York.
But above all they have to revive Europe now. You cannot promise a switch with a lot of models full electric only relying on the American market as they do now. And our European Subaru dealers have had a second brand for a long time to survive. A lot already have a cheap Chinese brand to offer something.
We are now in very exciting and at the same time challenging times. Where all investments involve a lot of risk. Dosing and adjusting in time. Certainly for a small player like Subaru.

[subySerb]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

They are all still SGP. I doubt the Outback is "that" much of a difference when it comes to that frame. Which was made ready for hybrids....originally.



Subaru is committed to ICE for a long time to come while adding hybrid and BEV to their lineup.




More offerings does mean more money. And complication. One of the problems with manual transmission options was having what the customer wanted available. Lets say we had a KLE 21 in CR4. But, the customer wants a KLA 01 in DBL. The cars sit because we don't have exactly what they want. We had a base Forester MT that sat on the lot and had a birthday while here. No one wanted a base Forester stick in that color. No matter how much we took off the price. FINALLY someone did. Elsewhere. We traded it. Shoot, I think we paid that retailer to take it. Getting that right combo of models/options/colors is why, I guess, they call it inventory "complexity". Looking at the options right now, Subaru can build right at 632 different cars before starting over. Just by adding an engine option will increase that dramatically. Plus, as mentioned, they haven't gotten their turbos correct with emissions yet. WHY? Yeah, I ask the same question.

I've given up on manual transmissions in all the cars, however turbos are a different thing. But, having emissions passing problems might be a reason why Subaru doesn't want to sell more of them.
I be that Subaru could sell the same amount of Turbo Crosstreks as they do WRX's now.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by subySerb

I've given up on manual transmissions in all the cars, however turbos are a different thing. But, having emissions passing problems might be a reason why Subaru doesn't want to sell more of them.
I be that Subaru could sell the same amount of Turbo Crosstreks as they do WRX's now.

Not if they cost too much. LOL. But, yeah, I agree. BUUUT, I think why the Crosstrek has been selling sooo well IS cause of the more affordable price for what you get. Look at how "well" the hybrid sold at it's astronomical price! A turbo may or may not be that high(depends on what they added to it, i.e. heated steering wheel) but, higher it would be. THEN would that trim be a seller?


I think it is the combo of price and emissions. Likely leaning hard to the emissions.

[b4wantab]

Originally Posted by Goempie

they will not come to us in Europe. They still pollute too much for us.

Subaru has been dying in Europe for 10-15+ years and the problem is 100% emissions. When Toyota stepped in they didn't/couldn't help with emissions at all. What options does Subaru have to fix a decades old problem that is only getting worse?

If they were serious about this they would not have gone old-school to lean-burn tech for mpg. Then the TCV design/failures band-aid for temp control to help with emissions. All that money for a bad thermostat.

I just don't see them serious about ICE.

Peace,

Greg

[subySerb]

NY Auto Show is next week. Media days start on Wednesday. Subaru has two "events" on the published schedule. First one is at 9:25 and second is at 11:50. I'm hoping one of those is the Outback reveal.

[deanstevenson]

Originally Posted by subySerb

NY Auto Show is next week. Media days start on Wednesday. Subaru has two "events" on the published schedule. First one is at 9:25 and second is at 11:50. I'm hoping one of those is the Outback reveal.

Thanks for that info.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Outback and what will likely be the new Subaru direction for display and HVAC controls.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by subySerb

NY Auto Show is next week. Media days start on Wednesday. Subaru has two "events" on the published schedule. First one is at 9:25 and second is at 11:50. I'm hoping one of those is the Outback reveal.

I'll be there, and will take pics as usual.

[bugatti0628]

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...ew-2026-outbac
Finally we have official confirmation. The second press conference will reveal both the new 2026 outback and it's wilderness trim. I see wraparound taillights and the copper trim. What is the dirt hiding from us in the picture

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...ew-2026-outbac
Finally we have official confirmation. The second press conference will reveal both the new 2026 outback and it's wilderness trim. I see wraparound taillights and the copper trim. What is the dirt hiding from us in the picture

As much as I'd like a Wilderness, I really don't need one with that MPG drop(unless they fix that this gen. Not holding my breath); but, also like the look of the non-Wilderness better anyway actually. AND hopefully not too long a wait for a hybrid.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

As much as I'd like a Wilderness, I really don't need one with that MPG drop(unless they fix that this gen. Not holding my breath); but, also like the look of the non-Wilderness better anyway actually. AND hopefully not too long a wait for a hybrid.

I wonder what that new frame will mean for towing capacity. That squared tailgate means more cargo capacity. This is no longer a sedan based frame.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

I wonder what that new frame will mean for towing capacity. That squared tailgate means more cargo capacity. This is no longer a sedan based frame.

Towing will remain ****ty. As long as its hampered with a gutless 2.5 liter engine, expect towing to remain 2500 lbs ish.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Gixhost

Those that feel they've outgrown the brand as their income goes up are a lost cause as well.

I was patiently waiting for a Legacy STI for a decade that never came. Subaru really just gave up on those of us who were brand enthusiasts back in the day and saw our incomes increase. They likely could have even sold me an Outback based STI. I do agree that the CVT change killed them for them. They just really aren't able to do high performance automatic vehicles which would be the main seller even if I personally would want a manual.