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Old 03-22-2018, 10:11 PM   #7176
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2018 WRX, going to use the stock 18s for permanent cold weather use. I'm in the Midwest with relatively mild winters. It's mostly wet and cold and usually the only place I'm driving on actual snow is in my neighborhood.

I think some winter biased (if that's even a thing) all seasons would suit me well. Looking to keep the price reasonably low. Any ideas?
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Do you want to have two sets of wheels?

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Old 03-23-2018, 11:53 AM   #7178
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Yes, so I don't have to go back and forth mounting and unmounting tires.

I know 17s are mentioned because you can get better tires + steelies for about the same price as good 18" tires, but I'm not trying to go through the hassle of having to find 17s.
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The moment you find that decent 18" tires cost as much as decent 17" tires with wheels you may change your mind.
I had to replace my winter setup due to a pothole (one wheel bent, one wheel cracked not to mention that the integrity of tires was not confidence inspiring) and I found that 16" steel wheels with mandatory TMPS were more expensive than alloy wheels without TMPS (110 vs 90).

I avoid using All Seasons so I do not have first hand experience but Michelin Pilot A/S Plus, Continental DWS 06 and Bridgestone RE 980 would be my choices from first tier brands.

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Old 03-23-2018, 01:39 PM   #7180
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What you're describing definitely sounds like good all-seasons is all you need. If you prefer to stick with your 18's, then I'd check on the prices of the recommended tires. I've tried the Pilot A/S Plus and I would go with that but price point may be of concern.
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Old 03-23-2018, 05:14 PM   #7181
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I have the Continental DWS on my car and see each season. For the money, theyíre the favorite that Iíve tried. Never had the Michelinís tho. Never wanted to pay that much, but Michelin does make a great tire. Iím happy with my choice and itís my second set.
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Old 04-12-2018, 11:41 AM   #7182
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...I think some winter biased (if that's even a thing) all seasons would suit me well...
Look for all season tires that have the 3-Peak-Mountain-Snowflake logo on the sidewall. In the USA, they are often ,but not always, called all-weather tires by the tire industry. Tires like the Nokian WR G4, the Toyo Celsius, etc.

Goodyear recently introduced an all-weather tire for the USA market, the Assurance WeatherReady:
https://www.moderntiredealer.com/new...s-weatherready
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Old 04-27-2018, 07:10 PM   #7183
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After a season with the Nokian Hakka 7's (non-studded), I have to say I was very impressed with their performance in just about all conditions that Colorado threw at them. The ONLY time I had an issue was driving back from snowboarding at Winter Park, the roads were a little wet and had a LOT of sand/gravel/road salt that had accumulated, and I was taking a pretty tight S-curve at a decent rate of speed at which point the car started to slide a bit as the debris definitely reduced traction. Nothing major and I recovered quickly without any issue, so no harm, no foul. Regarding snow and ice though, they performed like a champ and were worth every penny. I watched a number of cars end up in the ditch while I just cruised right past.
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Old 04-28-2018, 02:41 AM   #7184
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If anyone is interested in our set of nokian studded tires in Oregon, let me know. They are coming off next Tuesday. Either in the Portland area or the Prairie City area. Amazing tires, save now, and be ready for the next winter season.
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:54 PM   #7185
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I wish there was an easy way to search within this thread to jump to specific posts given its length (maybe there is and I am just not aware of it?)

Tire Rack shows that numerous wheels that are 18x8 as fitting my 2018 STI. Based on what I've read here, I was under the impression that the six piston 2018 needed an 18x8.5. But either way, I am going to buy an 18-inch wheel for winter use.

I don't think I quite need the Hakkapeliitta R2/R3 or Blizzaks, as we deal more with cold than we do winter precipitation, and most snow is relatively light (near Baltimore MD, and I usually do not go to the side of the state that gets nasty weather.) Further, I think I would prefer a tire that has a bit more of a performance orientation than the above, and simultaneously more winter capability than an UHP all-season (such as the Pilot Sport A/S 3+ or Continental DWS, both which I've had outstanding experiences with.)

This leaves me interested in the Nokian WR G3 or G4 and Michelin Pilot Alpin. Direct comparisons here are somewhat limited, especially considering they are not really in the same class, and even more so with the WR G4 being so new.

In the 225/45/18 (G3) or 225/40/18 (Alpin) size, the pricing seems roughly the same at about 200 bucks a pop. The Nokian has a 55k warranty, where as the Michelin 30k. Further, other performance winter models with not quite as high a ratings are also not that different in pricing.

Has anyone driven the WR G3/WR G4 and the Alpin? From what I am reading, even though the Alpin is a performance snow tire, where as the WR is an all-weather tire, some reports indicate that the Alpin has better overall performance where as the WR has better overall winter capability. Is this accurate? Would one of these tires do better during the transitional season where it may be 40-45F during the day?
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:43 PM   #7186
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I wish there was an easy way to search within this thread to jump to specific posts given its length (maybe there is and I am just not aware of it?)

Tire Rack shows that numerous wheels that are 18x8 as fitting my 2018 STI. Based on what I've read here, I was under the impression that the six piston 2018 needed an 18x8.5. But either way, I am going to buy an 18-inch wheel for winter use.

I don't think I quite need the Hakkapeliitta R2/R3 or Blizzaks, as we deal more with cold than we do winter precipitation, and most snow is relatively light (near Baltimore MD, and I usually do not go to the side of the state that gets nasty weather.) Further, I think I would prefer a tire that has a bit more of a performance orientation than the above, and simultaneously more winter capability than an UHP all-season (such as the Pilot Sport A/S 3+ or Continental DWS, both which I've had outstanding experiences with.)

This leaves me interested in the Nokian WR G3 or G4 and Michelin Pilot Alpin. Direct comparisons here are somewhat limited, especially considering they are not really in the same class, and even more so with the WR G4 being so new.

In the 225/45/18 (G3) or 225/40/18 (Alpin) size, the pricing seems roughly the same at about 200 bucks a pop. The Nokian has a 55k warranty, where as the Michelin 30k. Further, other performance winter models with not quite as high a ratings are also not that different in pricing.

Has anyone driven the WR G3/WR G4 and the Alpin? From what I am reading, even though the Alpin is a performance snow tire, where as the WR is an all-weather tire, some reports indicate that the Alpin has better overall performance where as the WR has better overall winter capability. Is this accurate? Would one of these tires do better during the transitional season where it may be 40-45F during the day?
I have the Michelin Alpine PA4 on my 2016 wrx sti. This tire handles like summers when things are dry in the winter. Very little squirm and good braking. The trade off is not stupendous levels of control in the white stuff, but it's a lot better than running on all seasons/summers in cold weather.

I recommend them for performance winters with good snow/ice traction. If you're looking for outright snow/ice traction there are better options.




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Old 06-21-2018, 02:41 PM   #7187
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I am really sorry to be starting this, but I have spent many sessions trying to go through this thread with no positive answers. Also did a lot of Tire Rack research.

Getting a 2019 WRX Limited for a DD
Stock wheels are +55 18x8.5 with 245/40-18 with 25.7" rolling diameter.

I live in northern VA, so not a lot of snow, more cold and wet. I was all set to purchase something like the Xi3 or WS80 on 17's until I read about performance winter tires being maybe best suited for this kind of largely snowless climate.

1. For VA, DC and MD area, is the Performance Winter tire a better choice than the studless ice and snow?

I am still thinking about 17's, for cost and pothole protection, but was a little leery of the tire rack recommendation of 215/50-17 which specs out at 25.5" diameter vs the OEM 25.7" diameter. In hunting around, I thought maybe 225/50-17 might be a little better. The 225/50-17 Pirelli Sottozero 3 specs out a 26.0" or about 1.2% larger.

I chatted with Tire Rack, but realize they will only recommend what is in their website which are 215/50-17 or 235/45-17; both are SMALLER in diameter than OEM summer tire. Tire Rack specifically avoided the discussions about smaller diameter altogether saying only 215/50-17 and 235/45-17 were recommended for the car.

2. Is 225/50-17 a bad choice? Should I stick with the Tire Rack recommendation of 215?

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Old 06-22-2018, 01:08 PM   #7188
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I am really sorry to be starting this, but I have spent many sessions trying to go through this thread with no positive answers. Also did a lot of Tire Rack research.

Getting a 2019 WRX Limited for a DD
Stock wheels are +55 18x8.5 with 245/40-18 with 25.7" rolling diameter.

I live in northern VA, so not a lot of snow, more cold and wet. I was all set to purchase something like the Xi3 or WS80 on 17's until I read about performance winter tires being maybe best suited for this kind of largely snowless climate.

1. For VA, DC and MD area, is the Performance Winter tire a better choice than the studless ice and snow?

I am still thinking about 17's, for cost and pothole protection, but was a little leery of the tire rack recommendation of 215/50-17 which specs out at 25.5" diameter vs the OEM 25.7" diameter. In hunting around, I thought maybe 225/50-17 might be a little better. The 225/50-17 Pirelli Sottozero 3 specs out a 26.0" or about 1.2% larger.

I chatted with Tire Rack, but realize they will only recommend what is in their website which are 215/50-17 or 235/45-17; both are SMALLER in diameter than OEM summer tire. Tire Rack specifically avoided the discussions about smaller diameter altogether saying only 215/50-17 and 235/45-17 were recommended for the car.

2. Is 225/50-17 a bad choice? Should I stick with the Tire Rack recommendation of 215?

Thanks


I was in Pittsburgh until this past November. I bought my Ď17 WRX Premium in Sept. of Ď16 and found some 17 x 9.5 wheels with 225/45 Blizzak (WS 80 if I recall) tires 6/32 left on the tread, so just about worn out) mounted for a bargain. Offset on the 17Ē wheels is +50 if I recall correctly.

The Blizzaks worked great but when it was warmer than freezing they were squishy in the handling feel when driving aggressively (which I do often). This past Fall I scored a screaming deal on some new Cooper performance winters in 245/45r17. I moved down here (NC mountains) in November but we did have snow down here. The Coopers worked great in snow and they feel better in warmer weather than the Blizzaks did. They handle cold wet roads really well. Iím liking a performance winter on this car because with AWD they did fine in snow but better than a pure snow tire without snow.

Size wise Iím running a 255/40 on the factory 18s (8.5 wide and +55) and I have no serious rubbing. With the 17X9.5 and a 245/45 I have zero rub. Same height just about and because of the rim same ish width. Anything skinnier or shorter is good if you keep close to factory offset. Price tires before you settle on rim width and offset.

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is when I started seeing deals online. I looked all summer and didnít see **** in the way of snow tire deals. Use the tire fitment thread if you want to see how far out you want to push the face of the wheel if youíre into that.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2618034

https://tiresize.com/calculator/

Use the comparison tab and use tire #2 as your factory size, tire #1 is what you think you might want size wise. At the top it will show you random internet pricing so you can gauge size availability.
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Old 06-22-2018, 01:26 PM   #7189
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People out your way seem to have good luck with the perf winters. Regular winter tires are probably overkill unless you go to the ski hill a lot. The size is merely preference and taste, do you want slightly smaller or slightly larger, itll be just by a hair but probably just enough to notice by eye. Me, Id opt for the larger. The brand seems to be sorta irrelevant, Ive seen many on this thread get good results from almost all of them.

The 225 is much closer to OEM diameter.
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Old 06-22-2018, 04:16 PM   #7190
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People out your way seem to have good luck with the perf winters. Regular winter tires are probably overkill unless you go to the ski hill a lot. The size is merely preference and taste, do you want slightly smaller or slightly larger, itll be just by a hair but probably just enough to notice by eye. Me, Id opt for the larger. The brand seems to be sorta irrelevant, Ive seen many on this thread get good results from almost all of them.

The 225 is much closer to OEM diameter.
Thank you for providing the info on performance winters, and my research that 225/50-17 seems to be a better match to the OEM 18 size for winters than the 215s.

Now unless I can find a deal on used OEMs, onto the hunt for a generic low cost wheel.

I appreciate your help.
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I was in Pittsburgh until this past November. I bought my Ď17 WRX Premium in Sept. of Ď16 and found some 17 x 9.5 wheels with 225/45 Blizzak (WS 80 if I recall) tires 6/32 left on the tread, so just about worn out) mounted for a bargain. Offset on the 17Ē wheels is +50 if I recall correctly.

The Blizzaks worked great but when it was warmer than freezing they were squishy in the handling feel when driving aggressively (which I do often). This past Fall I scored a screaming deal on some new Cooper performance winters in 245/45r17. I moved down here (NC mountains) in November but we did have snow down here. The Coopers worked great in snow and they feel better in warmer weather than the Blizzaks did. They handle cold wet roads really well. Iím liking a performance winter on this car because with AWD they did fine in snow but better than a pure snow tire without snow.

Size wise Iím running a 255/40 on the factory 18s (8.5 wide and +55) and I have no serious rubbing. With the 17X9.5 and a 245/45 I have zero rub. Same height just about and because of the rim same ish width. Anything skinnier or shorter is good if you keep close to factory offset. Price tires before you settle on rim width and offset.

Early fall
is when I started seeing deals online. I looked all summer and didnít see **** in the way of snow tire deals. Use the tire fitment thread if you want to see how far out you want to push the face of the wheel if youíre into that.

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2618034

https://tiresize.com/calculator/

Use the comparison tab and use tire #2 as your factory size, tire #1 is what you think you might want size wise. At the top it will show you random internet pricing so you can gauge size availability.
Thanks for confirming that Performance Winters may be indeed be better than pure ice/snow tires! Thanks also for the tip to wait for sales on winter tires. I thought there may be sales now, but there do not seem to be any great ones.

Thanks also for the links, but I am not about trying to push the face of the wheels...stock or close to stock is good for me, especially on winters.

Between you and left footed whooten, I am pretty convinced to go with Performance Winters, knowing that these will be way better than summers in cold weather (made THAT mistake when moving here from CA--that was expensive!)
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Do yourself a favor and bookmark that tire size calculator he linked you, youll use that thing a lot and its a good one.

Winter tires are squishy by nature, part of how they work, but after having many sets of winter tires over the years, the Blizzak line is the squishiest of the squishy. WS50, 60, 70, and Revo1 all performed great in winter, but felt extra soft otherwise. I skipped the 80. The general and the goodyear were much less squishy feeling. The only regular winter tire you wouldnt hate in your area would likely be the Goodyear UGIWRT. They were great in winter conditions, but in the dry and even hot, they felt the most normal. They actually handled very well once you were used to them and wear was surprisingly good.

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Old 06-24-2018, 04:03 PM   #7193
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Do yourself a favor and bookmark that tire size calculator he linked you, youll use that thing a lot and its a good one.

Winter tires are squishy by nature, part of how they work, but after having many sets of winter tires over the years, the Blizzak line is the squishiest of the squishy. WS50, 60, 70, and Revo1 all performed great in winter, but felt extra soft otherwise. I skipped the 80. The general and the goodyear were much less squishy feeling. The only regular winter tire you wouldnt hate in your area would likely be the Goodyear UGIWRT. They were great in winter conditions, but in the dry and even hot, they felt the most normal. They actually handled very well once you were used to them and wear was surprisingly good.
Thanks for the tip! Will bookmark and check out the Goodyear UGIWRT
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Old 08-03-2018, 05:27 PM   #7194
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I posted this in the newbie thread but just saw this thread. I live in NYC and go up to NW Connecticut (elevation 1000') on the weekends. Most of the commute is fairly flat. I will bomb up to Vermont to storm chase occasionally and ski in the winter.

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tires only or winter package: Not sure what this means. I do remember hearing that I should consider buying wheels for the winter tires so you don't have to balance them every time you switch. I am open to this.

I just purchased the car CPO 1 month ago. I'm sure I have the standard all-seasons on them now.
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:52 PM   #7195
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tires only or winter package:Winter package.

Hi Luke,
I am looking for a winter wheel and tire package. Probably going to go down to a 17" rim, as having a little more tire flex in winter is nice.
Would love to have a set of steel wheels with studless ice and snow rubber instead of alloys for winter.
What are my options?
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You can get steels in 17 if you want but man theyre heavy, enough to notice at least. Takeoffs and winter alloys are pretty cheap and way lighter than steels. Even 16s are heavy in steel.
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I also found that alloy winter wheels seem to last longer that steel.
If you plan to keep your car long time (8 years or so) and you reuse the wheels for next winter setup then alloy may be better investment.

I usually buy the cheapest alloys that I like. If I like more expensive ones then I do not like their price and cheaper look more tempting ;-)

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Once your after steel 17's, the price goes up a bit too, alloys arent much more expensive new, let alone takeoffs. For that '13 Id get some 16 or 17" takeoffs and have a solid setup, spend that extra money on better tires or maybe a new floor jack
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Old 09-13-2018, 10:43 PM   #7199
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Yeah, I was debating on getting some stock 17 alloys too, just don't really want to run the 18's for winter, as 18" winter tires seem to really jump up in price from 17"
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I have some questions about swapping wheels for winter.

Stock setup: 17x7, 55 offset, 215/45/17 (Did not come with the car/I do not have them)

Current setup: 17x8 Enkei RPF1, not sure of offset, stock brakes, 225/45/17

I have some 17x7 5 spoke alloys from a '14 Forester, 48 offset.

1.) Will the '14 Forester wheels clear the stock WRX brakes? Or will I have to just bolt 'em up to check?

2.) I can acquire a good set of used winter tires in size 215/50/17 size. The tire calculator says they would be 1.5" larger in circumference than my current tires. Would I have clearance issues with this setup -- KYB struts, with STi springs, approx. 1/2 to 3/4 drop, what I consider modestly lowered? Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.



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