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Old 05-06-2005, 02:22 AM   #1
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Default Need 4.11 rear diff ASAP!!!

My car was towed and damaged as I posted about before a couple days ago.

I need a replacement rear differential. My car is a '00 2.5rs and would need one of a 4.11 ratio. At this point I not sure I even care if its the viscous limited slip. Just need to get my car back on the road. Tow company is refusin to pay. Going through insurance I face a $500 deductible..

Please contact me if you have one I can buy. (PM is probably best)

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I'm in glen ellyn IL but am willing to drive a couple hours a way to pick it up.
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Old 05-06-2005, 04:30 AM   #2
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ummm you center differntial is waht will get destroyed if your car is towed with the wheels on the ground, not the rear diff
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Old 05-06-2005, 07:30 AM   #3
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Yep you need center dif, not rear.
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:27 AM   #4
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Even worse, you need an RS center diff -- the WRX one won't work for you as it has offset ratios (1.1:1 versus 1:1).
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:02 AM   #5
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The good news is you can get a diff from any 2.5L subaru from 1998 to present.

The bad news is, you'll need to buy a whole transmission to get one. (and it that case, it will be easier just to replace the transmission).

Check car-part.com or there may be some people with one lying around locally.

Send a PM to Dylan at downshift1. He may be able to help you by some remote chance.

Alternatively, you can just buy the differential itself. It lists for $436. Subaru parts.com will sell you one for $388. Call Subaru of Schaumburg and ask for Craig. Tell him what you need and ask if he can help you out.

You still need get it installed though.

At that point, I would just get it fixed under your insurance and get them to sue the tow company. If they win, you'll get the money back.

That's going to be your comprehensive insurance, BTW. The deductible might only be $250 or even $100. Check with your agent and make sure, since it is usually less than the collision deductible.


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Old 05-06-2005, 10:04 AM   #6
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I don't have any used parts laying around for you but if all else fails we do sell OEM and aftermarket parts at a great discount. All you have to do is send me a list of what you need and I can send you a quote back. With a job like this it would probably be cheaper to pay the $500 deductible. If a tow company improperly towed your vehicle I am pretty sure they should be responsible for the damage that they caused.

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Old 05-06-2005, 10:34 AM   #7
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if you find out you need a 4.11 rear diff, i'll sell you mine. the stock rear diff on a wrx is 4.11 right?
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:12 AM   #8
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:28 AM   #9
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the rear diff is damaged.

the shop i took it to isolated the noise to the rear and they opened it and found teeth sheared off and metal shavings all over.

the tow company admits to trying to pull the car while it was in gear and then when id didn't move realized it was awd and called for a flatbed.

so at this point i need AT LEAST a rear
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:36 AM   #10
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i think the wrx diff is a 3.9... damn
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:46 AM   #11
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Have you talked to a lawyer about this? I don't care what the towing company people told you; they'll say they aren't responsible no matter what. However, I've never heard of a jurisdiction in which a towing company is not liable for damage they knew or should have known would be caused by their failure to follow proper procedures for towing a given vehicle, and towing company employees are generally individually liable as well, I think(I'm not a lawyer.) I realize you might be scared of the cost, but most lawyers will at least talk to you about your options and what the costs are or might be without charging you for it. That's a lot cheaper than a new transmission.
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Old 05-06-2005, 01:33 PM   #12
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the rear diff is damaged.

the shop i took it to isolated the noise to the rear and they opened it and found teeth sheared off and metal shavings all over.

the tow company admits to trying to pull the car while it was in gear and then when id didn't move realized it was awd and called for a flatbed.

so at this point i need AT LEAST a rear
well in that case you should contact doctor nick, he has a 4.11 rear diff but it has no carrier so you'd have to reuse the carrier that is currently in your rear diff.

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Old 05-06-2005, 01:45 PM   #13
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i appreciate everyones help.

carparts.com doesn't find it.

subaruparts.com lists the viscous rear @ $1300

i really need to take the check for estimated repairs at a shop and then find a used one and install it myself to avoid paying my 500 deductible

i'll keep looking.

thanks again for your quick responses!

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Old 05-06-2005, 10:10 PM   #14
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Sounds like you need a new pinion and crown gear set, not a new diff.
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Old 05-06-2005, 11:42 PM   #15
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Well take it this way, you can get my rear dif, throw it in your case, if it works. Pay me for it, if it doesn't, return it in the shape you received it. Either way, I think you should have the tow company pay for being so effin stupid.
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Old 05-07-2005, 02:10 AM   #16
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Sounds like you need a new pinion and crown gear set, not a new diff.
I agree, though I think replacing the whole thing is a better bet, but I'm diff-shy still.

On a side note, if they admitted to trying to move it in gear and THEN realized it was AWD, they should be able to be held accountable. It's a known fact, especially for towing companies, that any Subaru 1996 or newer WILL be AWD, no exceptions.
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Old 05-07-2005, 02:40 AM   #17
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i appreciate everyones help.

carparts.com doesn't find it.

subaruparts.com lists the viscous rear @ $1300

i really need to take the check for estimated repairs at a shop and then find a used one and install it myself to avoid paying my 500 deductible

i'll keep looking.

thanks again for your quick responses!

-frank
like i said before i believe doctornick has all the parts that you will need to get your car going cheap
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Old 05-07-2005, 11:04 PM   #18
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Ok cool. I'll take you up on the offer doctornick. I'll send you a PM with my info so we can meet up.

I was thinking about geting just the ring/pinion, but the mechanic said with the amount of metal shavings in there he felt like I may need new bearings. This is why he suggested getting the whole thing replaced. I have yet to see it for myself and also am not familiar with the internals enough to know what can be replaced easily, what is a pain to replaced, and what would constitute a need for a complete replacement.

I'm assuming the r160 on the suby is similar to my r180 that I used to have in my '73 datsun 240z. I had the 3.36 and swapped in the 4.11 ring/pinion out of a 200sx turbo r180 diff. In that case(no pun intednded) the internal differential parts swapped easily from diff case to diff case. All i needed to do was unbolt and swap what i think is called the ring gear. IIRC Anyways...

The whole thing with the tow company is quite simple: They towed it wrong and damaged the car, BUT refuse to pay. I told them I have a witness that saw them trying to pull it with the regular tow truck, and even had them admit fault. However, their response was in summary "While we admit to trying to drag it by the rear wheels while in gear you can't prove the damage was a direct result of towing, we are not paying for the damage, and you can sue us if you'd like..."

I filed with my insurance who claims they will go after them. They gave me a rental (dodge neon, which makes me miss my car even more...) and will cover the damages. I also filed a police report the Cicero police, and by the police's advice am going to speak to the town of cicero legal dept. who deals with the tow company's city contract. We'll see how that goes.

Just wanted to thank everyone again for you insightful advice. I'll let ya' know what happens. Thanks!

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Old 05-08-2005, 03:32 AM   #19
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he already has a 4.11 ring an pinion installed in a case, all you need to do is transfer your carrier and bearing housings and you are ready to rock, the carrier he has is a mechanical LSD which require special axles
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Old 05-08-2005, 02:18 PM   #20
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pls. keep us up to date on the towing thing. i'm always curious hown these things end up.
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Old 05-10-2005, 12:48 AM   #21
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I filed a complaint with the better business bureau today. Not sure what it will amount to but it only took a few minutes.

I'd like to get a lawyer to write a letter to the towing company for me outlining my intentions to file my insurance claim, file complaints with city of Cicero concerning their city towing contract, then to pursue this in small claims court if they don't fess up.

This really sucks because as a grad student an unexpected $1500 repair is a huge deal to me, but to everyone else I talk to( not you guys of course), its an insignificant amount.

Like the cop taking the report " Just pay the deductible kid and forget about it... thats how life goes most of the time." The he went on to say that I should just try to get the deductible out of them... When i said "Isn't that kinda illegal, to take payment and still file a claim Mr. enforcer of the law?" (Not that I hadn't thought of that among other things like marching into the tow company with my H&K USP .45 and demanding my money )Cop's response: "No one's gonna lock you up for that kid." Funny thing is he kept calling me kid, yet hes only 5 or so years older than me...And then theres my insurance company who will only really be out $900 after I pay my deductible so I don't realy think they'll pursue it.

So... its really up to me to try and fight it out through small claims or something. If i give up it will be just what they expect me to do, and we can't let them have that satisfaction, now can we?
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:54 AM   #22
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Allstate cut me a check for the repairs minus the deductible. I told them I wanted to fix it myself.

I got the car into the garage today and pulled the rear diff myself. I was suprised how easily it was to remove. Anyways... what I found was that the shop I took it to exagerrated a bit. All the gear teeth were intact, however two teeth on the ring? gear, and two teeth on the pinion? gear exhibited matching wounds which look as if the metal was smeared. Each area of damage was about 1-1.5 " long and about 1/2" wide. The was a little metal missing and the surface of the two teeth looked a bit jagged. I'm supposing that even this small amount of difference in clearance was enough to cause noise. There was metal shavings on the little magnet thingy, but not too bad(though they did already swap the fluid before i left with the car.) I intend to post pics once I get done with all the work.

So I think doctornick's diff will work perfectly for me. All I have to do is unbolt what i believe is called the ring gear on mine and place that assembly in his case. I'm hoping the bearings are fine. I'm not sure i can tell whether they are damaged or not.

Still working on getting the tow company to pay...
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