Toyota Yaris GR-4

T-37 · 12-04-2019, 05:48 PM

AWD 3-door? Maybe turbo? Maybe hybrid? I can haz!?

More info should be available during Tokyo Auto Salon. The rumor I saw on twitter was that the TGR WRT will be there instead of the 2020 WRC Season launch in Birmingham, UK.

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dwf137 · 12-04-2019, 06:00 PM

The Yaris we get in the states is drastically different than the Yaris abroad... Ours is based on a Mazda 2. Theirs is a completely different chassis. Doubt we'll ever see this here.

Scooby-Doode · 12-04-2019, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dwf137

The Yaris we get in the states is drastically different than the Yaris abroad... Ours is based on a Mazda 2. Theirs is a completely different chassis. Doubt we'll ever see this here.

What he ^^^^^^ said. Sad because some of us like the euro Yaris.

dwf137 · 12-04-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

What he ^^^^^^ said. Sad because some of us like the euro Yaris.

Super sad. The damn American branches of the car companies want us all to buy the same ****ing thing. Setting up the cattle chutes to sedan or cuv monotony. Then the European branches give all the choices. Like this Yaris. Or any other hatchback offered by tons of other manufacturers. It's ****ing depressing. Thank god VW still brings the R here or I would literally not know what car I'd be driving.

SoDealer · 12-05-2019, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dwf137

Super sad. The damn American branches of the car companies want us all to buy the same ****ing thing. Setting up the cattle chutes to sedan or cuv monotony. Then the European branches give all the choices. Like this Yaris. Or any other hatchback offered by tons of other manufacturers. It's ****ing depressing. Thank god VW still brings the R here or I would literally not know what car I'd be driving.

If Americans bought these cars, they'd be offered here. When they are offered, they don't sell or make money longterm.

4S-TURBO · 12-05-2019, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SoDealer

If Americans bought these cars, they'd be offered here. When they are offered, they don't sell or make money longterm.

When they are offered they suck and are overpriced entry level garbage bins for city dwelling economic toddlers. No screaming engines.

dwf137 · 12-05-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SoDealer

If Americans bought these cars, they'd be offered here. When they are offered, they don't sell or make money longterm.

It's about the bean counters reducing consumers buying options so they can maximize profit and pay CEO's obnoxiously stupid salaries. That's all it is.

VWoA sold 26,700 Golf Sportwagons in 2017. Population about 330M. (about 80 per million people)
VWUK sold 5,800 Golf Sportwagons in 2017. Population about 67M. (about 87 per million people)

Per capita, US bought nearly identical amounts of the the Sportwagons.

VWoA Discontinued Sportwagons.
VWUK continues to sell 5 different trims of Sportwagons, including a legit R.

Why? It's not because the sales aren't there.

T-37 · 12-04-2019, 07:11 PM

Supposedly this is a homologation special for the next Yaris WRC (note the lowered roofline). If the info I was finding online is correct, the production requirements are still fairly low at 2500, but considering Akio Toyoda is in full on WRC fanboy mode, I think there's a shred of a possibility out there.

quentinberg007 · 12-04-2019, 09:35 PM

I don’t think it is coming to the US but it looks like a riot. That squat when all 4 start spinning and sub 2800lbs.

subyski · 12-05-2019, 01:34 PM

It's because they can probably sell more of the equivalent CUV version vs the small wagon in the U.S. While wagons are still popular in Europe, they are slowly shifting to CUVs too. Plus, we'll see how VW (or any company) operates in the UK once the Brexit mess is settled.

Small wagons were never that popular in the U.S. The popular station wagons of old were big and equivalent of the large 2 row and 3 row CUV's of today. The old station wagons also handled like boats too.

Skylab · 12-05-2019, 08:13 PM

No Golf R wagon for the states

But hey, check out that $100K++ RS6 Avant!

***129488;

subyski · 12-06-2019, 12:06 AM

I would like to see how many RS6 Avants they sell before Audi pulls the plug saying Americans don't buy wagons.

4S-TURBO · 12-06-2019, 12:12 AM

This pulls my plug...

...and again.

Pre · 12-06-2019, 12:54 AM

Unobtanium! Or just wait for the thing to depreciate like a rock!

4S-TURBO · 12-06-2019, 11:54 AM

Yeah but full size trucks. /debate

lil'redwagon · 12-06-2019, 02:19 PM

Crossovers. debate

Pre · 12-06-2019, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lil'redwagon

Crossovers. debate

This business will get of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

I wish the local gun range would put in for a raffle to all us members to purchased a used or wrecked CUV so we could use it as target practice. I'd bring the Vepr12, some slugs and maybe an AK. Would be one of the best days of my life.

quentinberg007 · 12-13-2019, 09:15 AM

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/exc...oyota-gr-yaris

I so want this. Light weight, AWD, 6MT.

4S-TURBO · 12-13-2019, 10:09 AM

Rally on, Garth.

BeepBoop · 12-13-2019, 10:38 AM

What I do't understand about products like this that they don't bring here (even just the normal yaris, since apparently we get a different chassis altogether) is how their math works out.

Seems to me that basically ANYTHING offered by a company that is even mildly more practical than a BRZ could sell at least as well as that car... and obviously they see fit to sell that car... so why not bring over everything else?

Scooby-Doode · 12-13-2019, 08:18 PM

LOOK!! At this...

https://www.motor1.com/news/387701/t...yaris-no-camo/

Want to know what's under the hood.

4S-TURBO · 12-13-2019, 09:37 PM

Supercharged 1.8

Scooby-Doode · 12-14-2019, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

Supercharged 1.8

Is this the updated Exige aka Celica motor?? If so, dang, Toyota sure is behind the times in motor development.

subaru_gc8 · 12-14-2019, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

Is this the updated Exige aka Celica motor?? If so, dang, Toyota sure is behind the times in motor development.

they stopped making the 2zz along time ago

4S-TURBO · 12-14-2019, 02:03 AM

We don't know which engine is being used for the GR-4. We'll find out next month. Above is the 2ZR-FE 1.8 which replaced the 1(2)ZZ-FE engine and found in the previous limited edition MY '17 GRMN Yaris that was FWD and had 209 hp. It's not certain whether the AWD setup will require more oomph and a step up to a 2.0 3ZR-FZE with a supercharger or a homologation 1.6 1ZR FE. But given the image above and the images below, using the black plastic cover as a guide, the ZR engines should look similar and the 4 intake plenums on the plastic cover in the bottom image of the actual GR-4 rules out the use of the 'newly developed 1.5-liter inline three-cylinder Dynamic Force Engine based on the TNGA design philosophy.'

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12-04-2019, 06:00 PM	#2
dwf137 Scooby Specialist Member#: 161333 Join Date: Oct 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: snoco wa Vehicle: 20 Yami XSR fast leaf	The Yaris we get in the states is drastically different than the Yaris abroad... Ours is based on a Mazda 2. Theirs is a completely different chassis. Doubt we'll ever see this here.

12-04-2019, 07:11 PM	#8
T-37 Scooby Specialist Member#: 175624 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Wichita, KS Vehicle: 0304 WRX WRX SY WRB	Supposedly this is a homologation special for the next Yaris WRC (note the lowered roofline). If the info I was finding online is correct, the production requirements are still fairly low at 2500, but considering Akio Toyoda is in full on WRC fanboy mode, I think there's a shred of a possibility out there.

12-04-2019, 09:35 PM	#9
quentinberg007 Scooby Guru Member#: 7887 Join Date: Jun 2001 Vehicle: 2023 Tangerine 2017 White/Black Car	I don’t think it is coming to the US but it looks like a riot. That squat when all 4 start spinning and sub 2800lbs.

12-05-2019, 01:34 PM	#10
subyski Scooby Specialist Member#: 202642 Join Date: Nov 2007 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Centennial, Colorado Vehicle: 08 Impreza,80Vette 68 Impala, 15 SantaFe	It's because they can probably sell more of the equivalent CUV version vs the small wagon in the U.S. While wagons are still popular in Europe, they are slowly shifting to CUVs too. Plus, we'll see how VW (or any company) operates in the UK once the Brexit mess is settled. Small wagons were never that popular in the U.S. The popular station wagons of old were big and equivalent of the large 2 row and 3 row CUV's of today. The old station wagons also handled like boats too.

12-05-2019, 08:13 PM	#11
Skylab n00b Moderator Moderator Member#: 4263 Join Date: Feb 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Encinitas	No Golf R wagon for the states But hey, check out that $100K++ RS6 Avant! ***129488;

12-06-2019, 12:06 AM	#12
subyski Scooby Specialist Member#: 202642 Join Date: Nov 2007 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Centennial, Colorado Vehicle: 08 Impreza,80Vette 68 Impala, 15 SantaFe	I would like to see how many RS6 Avants they sell before Audi pulls the plug saying Americans don't buy wagons.

12-06-2019, 12:12 AM	#13
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC	This pulls my plug... ...and again.

12-06-2019, 12:54 AM	#14
Pre Scooby Guru Member#: 139693 Join Date: Feb 2007 Vehicle: Dura ngo 95 horrorshow	Unobtanium! Or just wait for the thing to depreciate like a rock!

12-06-2019, 11:54 AM	#15
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC	Yeah but full size trucks. /debate

12-06-2019, 02:19 PM	#16
lil'redwagon Scooby Specialist Member#: 10854 Join Date: Oct 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Los Angeles, CA. Vehicle: '02 WRX; '08 OBXT; '08 G37 (S/C'd); '09 XF	Crossovers. debate

12-13-2019, 09:15 AM	#18
quentinberg007 Scooby Guru Member#: 7887 Join Date: Jun 2001 Vehicle: 2023 Tangerine 2017 White/Black Car	https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/exc...oyota-gr-yaris I so want this. Light weight, AWD, 6MT.

12-13-2019, 10:09 AM	#19
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC	Rally on, Garth.

12-13-2019, 10:38 AM	#20
BeepBoop Scooby Newbie Member#: 496462 Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: MN	What I do't understand about products like this that they don't bring here (even just the normal yaris, since apparently we get a different chassis altogether) is how their math works out. Seems to me that basically ANYTHING offered by a company that is even mildly more practical than a BRZ could sell at least as well as that car... and obviously they see fit to sell that car... so why not bring over everything else?

12-13-2019, 08:18 PM	#21
Scooby-Doode Scooby Specialist Member#: 28976 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ANE Where Vehicle: 2016 Step 2 Push Buggy GT	LOOK!! At this... https://www.motor1.com/news/387701/t...yaris-no-camo/ Want to know what's under the hood.

12-13-2019, 09:37 PM	#22
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC	Supercharged 1.8

12-14-2019, 02:03 AM	#25
4S-TURBO Scooby Guru Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC	We don't know which engine is being used for the GR-4. We'll find out next month. Above is the 2ZR-FE 1.8 which replaced the 1(2)ZZ-FE engine and found in the previous limited edition MY '17 GRMN Yaris that was FWD and had 209 hp. It's not certain whether the AWD setup will require more oomph and a step up to a 2.0 3ZR-FZE with a supercharger or a homologation 1.6 1ZR FE. But given the image above and the images below, using the black plastic cover as a guide, the ZR engines should look similar and the 4 intake plenums on the plastic cover in the bottom image of the actual GR-4 rules out the use of the 'newly developed 1.5-liter inline three-cylinder Dynamic Force Engine based on the TNGA design philosophy.'