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Old 07-08-2022, 11:34 AM   #51
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"Cars are becoming data centers on wheels, and electric vehicles use four times as many chips as regular cars," said John Barr, portfolio manager at Needham Investment Management. "The auto industry is still short parts, and I think that with growth in EVs, you'll continue to see strong growth here."
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I just want to buy a new GPU but I'm waiting for the next gen in the 4th quarter. Limping along on my GTX1070. I refuse to pay MSRP or higher for a 2 year old card.

So glad crypto is in the ****ter.
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I just want to buy a new GPU but I'm waiting for the next gen in the 4th quarter. Limping along on my GTX1070. I refuse to pay MSRP or higher for a 2 year old card.

So glad crypto is in the ****ter.
This may interest you: https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-...000-oversupply

Basically, you should be able to get a discounted RTX-3000 at some point...
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This may interest you: https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/rtx-...000-oversupply

Basically, you should be able to get a discounted RTX-3000 at some point...
For my son who wants a mid to budget card this is what I've been watching and we'll pick him one up this summer as prices continue to fall.

I'm not paying MSRP or similar on 2year old product when rumors show the next series launching in the 4th quarter could be 50% or more faster.

I'll pick up the equivalent from AMD of a 4070/4080. In the meantime I'm glad to see crypto burn and the ETH proof of stake will hopefully be the nail in the coffin for GPU mining and wasting of electricity.
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Old 07-11-2022, 12:56 PM   #55
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For my son who wants a mid to budget card this is what I've been watching and we'll pick him one up this summer as prices continue to fall.

I'm not paying MSRP or similar on 2year old product when rumors show the next series launching in the 4th quarter could be 50% or more faster.

I'll pick up the equivalent from AMD of a 4070/4080. In the meantime I'm glad to see crypto burn and the ETH proof of stake will hopefully be the nail in the coffin for GPU mining and wasting of electricity.
I've been out of the PC gaming/building scene for like, 10ish years or so; I don't even own my own computer, company I work for just gives me what I ask for. Also glad to hear crypto is going bust. Good luck withy our build(s).

Edit... more like 15ish years... holy crap time flies..

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we are all paying the price for now for over reliance on globalism. Not that it is all bad. But I think the pendulum needs to swing back to bring critical industries back in house to some degree.
Not remotely that simple regarding fabs... The article even notes that (many of) the critical tools are foreign made. Where does the wafer starting material come from? Where do the precious metals/specific chemicals come from? Where does the talent come from? ...I could go on. Any US fab will be neck deep in dependencies of other countries.

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Naturally we cannot do any of this overnight. But a move to bring more manufacturing back inside the borders is probably a good idea.
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Volkswagen expects semiconductor shortages to continue into 2023 and says the supply chain disruptions experienced over the past two years will become the “new normal.”

While recently speaking with German publication Automobilwoche, Volkswagen head of procurement Murat Aksel noted that geopolitical concerns with leading chip manufacturers have created new and challenging issues.

“With the new geopolitical issues, if anything, it’s going to get even more complex and challenging,” Aksel said. “Investments for new capacity are now on track, but there will probably still be a structural shortfall in semiconductors up to and including 2023.”

In February, Aksel had told the media that the chip shortage could resolve itself this year but his outlook has clearly changed.
Read Also: Stellantis Output May Drop By 220,000 Vehicles In Italy This Year Due To Chip Shortages


The German car manufacturer has been doing what it can to reduce the impact of the shortage throughout the year. In early 2022, it had to cut output at its Wolfsburg plant and introduced an early warning system designed to detect supply shortfalls which had helped it identify 150 technical alternatives to semiconductor chips, Fortune reports.

Furthermore, Volkswagen has moved to reduce its reliance on semiconductors from leading South Korean manufacturers. Its Cariad software division recent entered into an agreement with both European semiconductor supplier STMicroelectronics and Taiwan’s TSMC to create a more stable supply of chips.
Research reveals that car manufacturers have had to cull 3.23 million vehicles from production due to chip shortages this year. This comes on the back of more than 10 million units being lost in 2021. North America and Europe have been hit particularly hard with production decreasing by 1,147,000 units in North America and 1,089,000 in Europe. Analysts expect 2022 to end with 4,071,200 vehicles lost due to the shortage, Auto News reports.
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So stop making more EVs and PHEVS and luxury hyper super luxury cars and SUVs and focus on producing cheap cars that don't need a ton of tech and cost a mortgage....

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So stop making more EVs and PHEVS and luxury hyper super luxury cars and SUVs and focus on producing cheap cars that don't need a ton of tech and cost a mortgage....

It's not just the vehicles you mentioned, but anything with a driver assist system (eg. Eyesight) that does lane centering, frontal crash mitigation, etc. that has been affected.

Granted, EV's utilize roughly twice as many semiconductors as an ICE vehicle does, but the issue isn't that "we can't make enough semiconductors" it's "the industry vastly underestimated the amount of vehicles that would be built and sold during the pandemic, so we're playing catchup"

VW also has/had a wire harness supply issue (see "geopolitical issues").

I am all for simpler cars at lower prices; I turn off everything I can when I drive, but the majority of people don't want simpler cars that require them to use their brains while driving; they want a smartphone on wheels that does as much of the driving & thinking for them.

Manufacturers are going to continue to build what they think will sell, and right now it's tech-laden CUV's because that's what the majority of people want.
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I am all for simpler cars at lower prices; I turn off everything I can when I drive, but the majority of people don't want simpler cars that require them to use their brains while driving; they want a smartphone on wheels that does as much of the driving & thinking for them.
well yeah.
If I'm expected to pay $40k for a WRX, I expect it to have every bell and whistle, and be able to drive itself to the mall and supermarket where I'll do donuts while picking up donuts.

I remember when BMW used to sell driver's car. Now its more of a tech car. How much tech can we fit and sell to our idiot nice customers.
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40k "95% complete" Fords waiting for chips at the kentucky speedway.....


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Yeah but I want my vehicle to understand me. Also to deactivate Viruses


Volvo EX90 Debuts November 9 With Tech That "Understands" The Driver

https://www.motor1.com/news/611743/v...stands-driver/


Nissan Develops New Tech That Can "Inactivate" Viruses
https://www.motor1.com/news/611779/n...ivate-viruses/

Maybe they should focus on an Automatic Transmission For The New Z instead of that old POS nine speed that just got recalled. They didn't have any money for new one
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Old 09-22-2022, 03:06 PM   #64
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Thousands of Unfinished Ford Trucks Are Filling Up Kentucky Speedway


Satellite photos reveal parked Ford trucks rapidly accumulating in the speedway for nearly a month due to chip and parts shortages.

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https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...ucky-speedway/
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It's not just the vehicles you mentioned, but anything with a driver assist system (eg. Eyesight) that does lane centering, frontal crash mitigation, etc. that has been affected.

Granted, EV's utilize roughly twice as many semiconductors as an ICE vehicle does, but the issue isn't that "we can't make enough semiconductors" it's "the industry vastly underestimated the amount of vehicles that would be built and sold during the pandemic, so we're playing catchup"

VW also has/had a wire harness supply issue (see "geopolitical issues").

I am all for simpler cars at lower prices; I turn off everything I can when I drive, but the majority of people don't want simpler cars that require them to use their brains while driving; they want a smartphone on wheels that does as much of the driving & thinking for them.

Manufacturers are going to continue to build what they think will sell, and right now it's tech-laden CUV's because that's what the majority of people want.

Root cause for ADAS, the got damn smartphone. Smartphone is $1k. The standard vehicle BS is thousands more. Is a got damn phone worth all this to vehicle charges, and society at large? No. If you are on your smart phones hours everyday, at the gym, at your job, driving a car, you’re a got damn loser. Seek therapy.
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Yeah but I want my vehicle to understand me. Also to deactivate Viruses


Volvo EX90 Debuts November 9 With Tech That "Understands" The Driver

https://www.motor1.com/news/611743/v...stands-driver/


Nissan Develops New Tech That Can "Inactivate" Viruses
https://www.motor1.com/news/611779/n...ivate-viruses/

Maybe they should focus on an Automatic Transmission For The New Z instead of that old POS nine speed that just got recalled. They didn't have any money for new one
The Volvo we test drove didn't understand its own infotainment system.

That car was a total disappoiontment in nearly every way (V60). They do look great though.
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At this point Ford should invest in creating more jobs and making a Chip plant on this side of the Hemisphere.
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There a a number of new fabs being planned/built in the U.S. as it is really a national security issue but it will take years.
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There a a number of new fabs being planned/built in the U.S. as it is really a national security issue but it will take years.
...and we will still be faaaar from independent. Smoke and mirrors.
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...and we will still be faaaar from independent. Smoke and mirrors.
Too much demand for that to happen but if a war breaks out over Taiwan then a number of industries are in deep. TSMC handles an enormous amount of top end chips manufacturing. Chip fabs in multiple countries need to be made to keep up with demand and to reduce single point of failure.
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Too much demand for that to happen but if a war breaks out over Taiwan then a number of industries are in deep. TSMC handles an enormous amount of top end chips manufacturing. Chip fabs in multiple countries need to be made to keep up with demand and to reduce single point of failure.
The US doesn't have the materials needed, nor the talent to run the place...no, it will not happen even in war.

I don't even know of a US supplier for the most basic component...silicon ingots. Tools? Nope, aren't US companies. Cobalt? Off to Africa or Russia. Specialty gases used? Asia controls ~75% of the market. Ukraine supplies something like 90% of the Neon gas currently used in the US's IC manufacturing industry. ...and on and on.
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The US doesn't have the materials needed, nor the talent to run the place...no, it will not happen even in war.

I don't even know of a US supplier for the most basic component...silicon ingots. Tools? Nope, aren't US companies. Cobalt? Off to Africa or Russia. Specialty gases used? Asia controls ~75% of the market. Ukraine supplies something like 90% of the Neon gas currently used in the US's IC manufacturing industry. ...and on and on.
US owned or based? Because we have a polysilicon plant in TN and MI.
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TSMC is already working on Fabs in the U.S. and Europe. Just going to take a while.

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US owned or based? Because we have a polysilicon plant in TN and MI.
I was thinking ownership...after all, the US is trying to clamp down on exports. It is a very real concern that other countries will do the same if something goes down, globally.

...and that is just one part of the puzzle, anyway.
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TSMC is already working on Fabs in the U.S. and Europe. Just going to take a while.
Until China invades Taiwan, and none of that means anything...

Maybe my point is being missed? We don't, and cannot, control most of the inputs to IC manufacturing in the US.
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