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Old 09-25-2007, 03:16 PM   #51
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how do you figure that there are more parts to fail?

what do you mean ride? there are more parts on the car...more non oem parts=higher probability of a part failing. I have an ewg too btw
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:05 PM   #52
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oem doesnt always = better

and an ext gate is a spring and a diaphragm, not really parts that fail a lot

and there arent really more parts on the car, you switch from an internal gate to an external, you really didnt add more.
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:47 PM   #53
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yah a ringland was what went, still no way to figure out what happend. I thank mike warfield a lot for helping me out on the fix.

I have no idea what happend man..yes a lot of heartache, my folks were very upset with me as well.
That sucks man, I know how it can be with parents. Mine still don't understand why people mod their cars in the first place .

Ringlands generally let go from excessive knock... not too many other possibilities. It probably had to do with heatsoak at the track. Were you icing down the tmic at all?

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Old 09-26-2007, 12:13 PM   #54
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That sucks man, I know how it can be with parents. Mine still don't understand why people mod their cars in the first place .

Ringlands generally let go from excessive knock... not too many other possibilities. It probably had to do with heatsoak at the track. Were you icing down the tmic at all?

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yah someone said it was overboost, some people say bad gas, some people think i changed the setup last minute, etc........i know it's not impossible to creep with a ewg, but i didn't do anything different than normal setup wise...nothing was changed, nothign altered, nothing ran funny. Car was running perfectly EVERYDAY until that day at the track. It was decently hot though at the track...but i have no idea why all those days when it was hotter and i was pushing the car more and giving it more chance to creep or overboost and it didn't(from what i saw/heard). Yah my folks don't understand that drag racing is probably the least damaging of the motor sports to the car's. I'm only 23 and this is my dd(other than the motorcycle). So I have to give up my quest for your's and sean's record.


no i wasn't icing or anything, got there and let her cool down and then got in line....started smoking up first run 12.9@106.66

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Old 09-26-2007, 12:18 PM   #55
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oem doesnt always = better

and an ext gate is a spring and a diaphragm, not really parts that fail a lot

and there arent really more parts on the car, you switch from an internal gate to an external, you really didnt add more.

i think it's quite a change going ewg, UR up-pipe for tial 38, mbc vs. Stock boost control.........

there is also the manual boost controller, i forgot to mention that when i returned ride500's post. So yah imo there is a lot of factors that can lead the mbc to cause problems in the car and the ewg is run by that mbc. Weather, altitude and other factors can lead to the car hitting target boost earlier or later, etc. and you need to address these changes so the car isn't getting hurt
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i think it's quite a change going ewg, UR up-pipe for tial 38, mbc vs. Stock boost control.........
A wastegate for a wastegate and a boost controller for a boost controller.
A manual boost controller is quite a simple device.

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So yah imo there is a lot of factors that can lead the mbc to cause problems in the car and the ewg is run by that mbc. Weather, altitude and other factors can lead to the car hitting target boost earlier or later, etc. and you need to address these changes so the car isn't getting hurt
I agree with this, but your original post said "PARTS failing". The mbc isnt gonna fail anymore than the stock one, but yes it can cause other problems if you dont adjust it properly.
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what do you mean ride? there are more parts on the car...more non oem parts=higher probability of a part failing. I have an ewg too btw
MORE parts on the car?

how do you figure?

you had a wastegate valve before, and you have one now.
you had an actuator before, and you have one now.
you had an up pipe before, and you have one now.

as far as oem being more reliable, generally i would agree, but there are a lot of oem parts that have come off my car to be replaced by something stronger.

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ps a good ball and spring mbc is MORE reliable than any EBC.
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yah someone said it was overboost, some people say bad gas, some people think i changed the setup last minute, etc........i know it's not impossible to creep with a ewg, but i didn't do anything different than normal setup wise...nothing was changed, nothign altered, nothing ran funny. Car was running perfectly EVERYDAY until that day at the track. It was decently hot though at the track...but i have no idea why all those days when it was hotter and i was pushing the car more and giving it more chance to creep or overboost and it didn't(from what i saw/heard). Yah my folks don't understand that drag racing is probably the least damaging of the motor sports to the car's. I'm only 23 and this is my dd(other than the motorcycle). So I have to give up my quest for your's and sean's record.


no i wasn't icing or anything, got there and let her cool down and then got in line....started smoking up first run 12.9@106.66

thank's ed
Creep with an EWG controlled by a good MBC . I've only seen a couple VF39 cars that had true boost creep but that was with IWG's. There's really no way for it to creep if the EWG is functioning propperly. Even the 38mm can flow more than enough gas to keep the little VF39 from spinning too fast. The Hallman is also excellent at controlling boost and providing a nice, natural taper. On top of that, it beats out any solenoid based system for consistency. I would say unless one of the boost control lines came off or melted or you just cranked up the MBC too far, I would rule out overboost or boost "creep".

Bad gas is certainly a possibility from the pump, but race gas tends to be pretty darn consistent, so I would highly doubt that as the cause.

As far as pushing the car hard before this happened, were you doing so on your race gas map and boost levels or were you on pump gas at that point?

I still have my bet on the heatsoak issues at the track. Even though you let the car cool down prior to your run, the TMIC can get extremely hot when the car isn't moving. A very hot TMIC immediately before the run with the resulting knock could certainly result in some serious problems.

BTW, I'm 24 so I know where you're coming from with the parents

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Old 09-26-2007, 04:49 PM   #59
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Creep with an EWG controlled by a good MBC . I've only seen a couple VF39 cars that had true boost creep but that was with IWG's. There's really no way for it to creep if the EWG is functioning propperly. Even the 38mm can flow more than enough gas to keep the little VF39 from spinning too fast. The Hallman is also excellent at controlling boost and providing a nice, natural taper. On top of that, it beats out any solenoid based system for consistency. I would say unless one of the boost control lines came off or melted or you just cranked up the MBC too far, I would rule out overboost or boost "creep".

Bad gas is certainly a possibility from the pump, but race gas tends to be pretty darn consistent, so I would highly doubt that as the cause.

As far as pushing the car hard before this happened, were you doing so on your race gas map and boost levels or were you on pump gas at that point?

I still have my bet on the heatsoak issues at the track. Even though you let the car cool down prior to your run, the TMIC can get extremely hot when the car isn't moving. A very hot TMIC immediately before the run with the resulting knock could certainly result in some serious problems.

BTW, I'm 24 so I know where you're coming from with the parents

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yah i didn't crank it up so i am lost in trying to pin point the source. I think the heat could have been a bigger factor than i first thought. I addeed race gas to the pump gas, but there was barely any left. I could have maybe had bad 91 mixed with that vp and that could have done the job. I wish there was a way for me to find out PRECISELY what happend.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:51 PM   #60
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MORE parts on the car?

how do you figure?

you had a wastegate valve before, and you have one now.
you had an actuator before, and you have one now.
you had an up pipe before, and you have one now.

as far as oem being more reliable, generally i would agree, but there are a lot of oem parts that have come off my car to be replaced by something stronger.

ken

ps a good ball and spring mbc is MORE reliable than any EBC.

right, i don't disagree with anything. I just was stating the fact that i don't trust non oem parts, as much as i trust oem. I think if my car had stock boost control i might have been able to avoid my car going kablleeewy, on the same token, it might have had no bearing.

you're the man ken, what's up with your setup?
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:55 PM   #61
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so has this car gotten tracked yet!? im anxious to see the traps!
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Old 09-26-2007, 05:28 PM   #62
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hahaha not yet

the driverr still in the practicing phase

he jus receltly smoked a 400whp trans am from 40 - 130mph yes thats goin of a roll
his goin against couple of cammed full bolt on c5 z05 and a 450whp 03 04 cobra. from 40 - 140mph i will get the vids
on this

oh btw i beat that conbra already 450whp 40 - 140 by about 4 - 5 cars

streeet racing is bad

but only way to really learn your car since

we live like 150mile away form the track
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Old 09-26-2007, 06:11 PM   #63
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I guess Phung is no longer taping the runs huh!J/K Good luck with the practice runs.

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hahaha not yet

the driverr still in the practicing phase

he jus receltly smoked a 400whp trans am from 40 - 130mph yes thats goin of a roll
his goin against couple of cammed full bolt on c5 z05 and a 450whp 03 04 cobra. from 40 - 140mph i will get the vids
on this

oh btw i beat that conbra already 450whp 40 - 140 by about 4 - 5 cars

streeet racing is bad

but only way to really learn your car since

we live like 150mile away form the track
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Old 09-26-2007, 07:42 PM   #64
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hahaha not yet

the driverr still in the practicing phase

he jus receltly smoked a 400whp trans am from 40 - 130mph yes thats goin of a roll
his goin against couple of cammed full bolt on c5 z05 and a 450whp 03 04 cobra. from 40 - 140mph i will get the vids
on this

oh btw i beat that conbra already 450whp 40 - 140 by about 4 - 5 cars

streeet racing is bad

but only way to really learn your car since

we live like 150mile away form the track
Actually I am letting downsti savor his last moments with his record before it get shattered like he shatter the previous record. Hahahaha.
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Old 09-26-2007, 07:45 PM   #65
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Creep with an EWG controlled by a good MBC . I've only seen a couple VF39 cars that had true boost creep but that was with IWG's. There's really no way for it to creep if the EWG is functioning propperly. Even the 38mm can flow more than enough gas to keep the little VF39 from spinning too fast. The Hallman is also excellent at controlling boost and providing a nice, natural taper. On top of that, it beats out any solenoid based system for consistency. I would say unless one of the boost control lines came off or melted or you just cranked up the MBC too far, I would rule out overboost or boost "creep".

Bad gas is certainly a possibility from the pump, but race gas tends to be pretty darn consistent, so I would highly doubt that as the cause.

As far as pushing the car hard before this happened, were you doing so on your race gas map and boost levels or were you on pump gas at that point?

I still have my bet on the heatsoak issues at the track. Even though you let the car cool down prior to your run, the TMIC can get extremely hot when the car isn't moving. A very hot TMIC immediately before the run with the resulting knock could certainly result in some serious problems.

BTW, I'm 24 so I know where you're coming from with the parents

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You're only 24 Ed?!?! No way.
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I guess Phung is no longer taping the runs huh!J/K Good luck with the practice runs.

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Ron,

Does Sacramento Raceway have open runs Sat or Sun? I start working next week so I my weekday are filled.

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Ron,

Does Sacramento Raceway have open runs Sat or Sun? I start working next week so I my weekday are filled.

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Hey Phung,

29... Sat Grudge Fest
Gates open 4pm. Racing 6-10pm Adm. $5. Racing $35

30... Sun CMI SPORT COMPACT DRAGS
Gates open 8am Adm. $10,Racing $45 Info: 916-416-0546.

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Hey Phung,

29... Sat Grudge Fest
Gates open 4pm. Racing 6-10pm Adm. $5. Racing $35

30... Sun CMI SPORT COMPACT DRAGS
Gates open 8am Adm. $10,Racing $45 Info: 916-416-0546.

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Oh man. That's great to hear because I've always thought Wednesday was the only day for some reason. Hahahh.

Is this every sat and sun?

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yah i didn't crank it up so i am lost in trying to pin point the source. I think the heat could have been a bigger factor than i first thought. I addeed race gas to the pump gas, but there was barely any left. I could have maybe had bad 91 mixed with that vp and that could have done the job. I wish there was a way for me to find out PRECISELY what happend.
It really sounds like you took every precaution aside from making sure the tmic was cool prior to the run. I'm sure the car wasn't tuned with an extremely hot tmic in mind, so during the run you must have experienced some extreme knock (probably even more extreme during hard shifting) which busted the ringland.

Having the stock boost control wouldn't have saved you. The ECU only pulls out boost if the IAM drops significantly and it takes quite some time for this to happen. By the time boost was potentially dropped, the damage would have already been done.

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You're only 24 Ed?!?! No way.
yep... gonna be 25 in November

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Vaus -

Hmmm...I'm 24 and will be 25 in November as well...But what are the chances that your birthday is also on the 25th?

Anyway, I like the road dyno plots that you use. It would be nice if all road tunes on NASIOC used the same method to analyze acceleration data. Do you want to share your road dyno with the community so we can start displaying/comparing tunes in a standard fashion? Standards are good in my opinion, as they give a universal reference point. If you are up for it, I'll be the first in line to adopt to your road dyno 'software'. If not, that's cool too.
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hahaha not yet

the driverr still in the practicing phase

he jus receltly smoked a 400whp trans am from 40 - 130mph yes thats goin of a roll
his goin against couple of cammed full bolt on c5 z05 and a 450whp 03 04 cobra. from 40 - 140mph i will get the vids
on this

oh btw i beat that conbra already 450whp 40 - 140 by about 4 - 5 cars

streeet racing is bad

but only way to really learn your car since

we live like 150mile away form the track
definitely post the vids!
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Vaus -

Hmmm...I'm 24 and will be 25 in November as well...But what are the chances that your birthday is also on the 25th?

Anyway, I like the road dyno plots that you use. It would be nice if all road tunes on NASIOC used the same method to analyze acceleration data. Do you want to share your road dyno with the community so we can start displaying/comparing tunes in a standard fashion? Standards are good in my opinion, as they give a universal reference point. If you are up for it, I'll be the first in line to adopt to your road dyno 'software'. If not, that's cool too.
Actually its on the 27th... but pretty darn close

Many people have asked to purchase the road dyno software but for now I've decided to keep it proprietary. I've managed to earn some significant credit for the software and the numbers it produces and don't want to spoil that by having people potentially messing with the parameters to skew their graphs one way or another. Remember, its just as easy to change how this software reads as it is with any chassis dyno out there.

I have been offering a little service to some people who tune their own cars. They send me logs along with weight and tire info and I send them plots for a small fee.

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Actually I am letting downsti savor his last moments with his record before it get shattered like he shatter the previous record. Hahahaha.
hahaha your funny man... NOTTTTTTTTTTTT

haha if you do break my record. im goin to call up ron and ed ask them to help me run 10s on stock turbo hahaha.. and ill hire earl to drive my car

or MAYBE 100 shot NAWZZZ
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hahaha your funny man... NOTTTTTTTTTTTT

haha if you do break my record. im goin to call up ron and ed ask them to help me run 10s on stock turbo hahaha.. and ill hire earl to drive my car

or MAYBE 100 shot NAWZZZ
Hey down,

speakin about the NAWZZZ, some kid put a 75 shot in his stg 2 sti about two weeks back. If he goes sub 11.5's, i think im gonna try it, lol. Just have to buy another intake manifold because ill have to tap the current one. When and if the motor blows, ill switch the manifolds and use suby's 5yr/60k wrnty

In this case, I just think NOS would be soooo cheating, although it would be cool to have. I had it in my integra back in high school, lol. Oh yeah, my high school days of cars that couldnt even break 13's with nitrous, haha.
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