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08-05-2005, 11:42 AM | #1 | |
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Subaru Broadens and Enhances Legacy and Outback Lines for 2006
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08-05-2005, 11:52 AM | #2 |
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No mention of Spec B
I guess they will issue a PR sometime next month on that model.
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08-05-2005, 12:07 PM | #3 |
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So much for owning a nice cheap quick sedan.
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08-05-2005, 12:33 PM | #4 |
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Do you think that this increase in prices seen here will indicate an increasing price in ALL models next year? I'm worried about the price of the Tribeca increasing even more!
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08-05-2005, 12:43 PM | #5 |
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Nobody has any idea of what pricing will be for 2007MY Subarus.
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08-05-2005, 12:46 PM | #6 | |
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While the integrated screen would look nice, I would rather install a more functional aftermarket GPS system there, since GPS isn't available with MT. |
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08-05-2005, 05:08 PM | #7 | |
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BTW, whats the "special edition" sedan? |
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08-05-2005, 05:10 PM | #8 | |
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08-05-2005, 05:53 PM | #9 | |
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I love how they say they are broadening lines. They must use the same definition of broadening that Comcast used, right before they reduced my channel lineup and upped the price. The Legacy GT is no longer the deal it once was. Subaru's line is looking less and less appealing the way they package options and trim levels like they do. I look at the 06 WRX. I now have three trim levels to choose from instead of one, yet I actually get FEWER choices in configuration from when there was only one model. The TR version doesn't have things I would want. The WRX version adds a few things I wanted, but a few I don't care about, and the LTD model has the rest of what I would want but a WHOLE lot I don't. Now, apparently, if you want a turbo in the Legacy, you must also want leather. I was irate enough as it was when they packaged the moonroof and leather together. To package an ENGINE choice with leather is beyond the pale. |
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08-05-2005, 05:58 PM | #10 |
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No manual GT wagon sucks balls
I'd like to thank Subaru for making my next car an Audi or a Volvo |
08-05-2005, 07:29 PM | #11 | |
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i agree, but for the same price as the audi or volvo you could buy the outback xt with manual, and tweak it to your liking. |
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08-05-2005, 09:59 PM | #12 |
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I don't want an outback...I wanted a Legacy GT Ltd. Wagon MANUAL.
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08-06-2005, 01:53 AM | #13 | |
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If BMW offers the 330 (or maybe the 325) as a RWD wagon I may have to go that way, I know they'll have the new 325ix AWD wagon soon. And their new engine is rated for 215hp, better fuel economy and the build quality and engineering is light years ahead of Subaru. Sigh. |
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08-06-2005, 02:25 AM | #14 | |
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I can get an A3 Quattro with SMG (Audi calls it DSG) this year with a 6 or next year with a turbo 4. Too bad Subaru forgot to offer competing cars. |
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08-06-2005, 03:26 AM | #15 | |
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Subietrue speaks!
Ah, Orwell would be proud. SOA has mastered doublespeak.
"We have broadened your choice by limiting your options." "We have made Subarus more attractive to buyers by raising prices." "We have broadened your choice by limiting your options and we have made Subarus more attractive to buyers by raising prices." "WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH" Awesome. No doubt our chocolate allotment will be increased... Quote:
Question: "Do you think that this increase in prices seen here will indicate an increasing price in ALL models next year?" Answer: You May Rely On It Try again: Answer #2: Yes Definately Try a third time Answer #3: It Is Certain For confirmation, I asked: "Are you sure?" Answer: It Is Decidedly So When I asked "why?", it said: Don't make me slap you. I said "bu-wah?" It replied: Listen, dumbass, it's no secret. Subaru is going "Upscale", and you cannot justify your claim of being "upscale" unless you jack up your prices to match the expectations of those consumers who are already in the pay-too-much-for-German-crap "upscale" market. Now, in order to meet their expectations, you *must* charge a lot--some would say too much--for your product. It's the defining keystone of "upscale". Check Wikpedia if you don't believe me. Now, put me back on my shelf and leave me alone or I'll hurt you. Thanks SOA....I'll be enhancing your sales by buying something else. |
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08-06-2005, 04:55 AM | #16 |
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Wowsers, so now you can't get a GT without leather. Hell even BMW even offers most their models with a cheaper leatherette option.
Glad I picked up an 05 or I likely would have been able to swing it. |
08-06-2005, 05:20 AM | #17 |
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I'm not sure how many of you read Automotive News or other industry magazines but, the reason for price increases is not based on going upscale and it doesn't just affect Subaru. Vehicle prices are generally expected to increase due to rising cost of manufacturing. These are excerpts from one of the more recent S & P articles-
"Following a booming 2004, market conditions in the U.S. steel industry deteriorated in early 2005. Standard & Poor's believes that declines in shipments, consumption and production were due largely to accumulation of excess inventories in late '04 at both distributors and original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), as well as less robust economic growth and weakness in the automotive sector." "Standard & Poor's expects a decline of 4-to-6 percent in the volume of tons of steel shipped in 2005 from last year" resulting in "a 7-to-8 percent decline in shipments to automakers (vs. a 4.9 percent gain in 2004)" "Aluminum prices rose in the first half of 2005 on the heels of increased consumption in the rest of the world, despite weaker aluminum demand in the U.S. that was mainly due to reduced motor vehicle production. However, with shipment volume still down, a continued high price for aluminum will be necessary to result in any significant increase in industry profits for 2005." Just food for thought before we blame SOA for raising their prices on certain models and go comparison shopping. Although it doesn't change the fact that they eliminated lower demand trim levels and don't offer Nav on MT models. |
08-06-2005, 07:38 AM | #18 |
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there are numerous reasons for the increase in prices. Subaru announced what two years ago that they intended to move their product line 'upscale' to compete with the like of BMW, Audi and Volvo. Steel prices have skyrocketed world wide as have aluminum costs apparently. But most importantly take a comparison of the GT Sedan for example. My 98 GT Sedan with MT and cloth carried an MSRP of $24K. Okay that was 7 years ago. Add some inflation then realize what you got then and what you get now with the GT.
250HP Turbo vs. 165 na 250 ft-lbs of torque vs. 168 ft-lbs Leather vs. Cloth Better headlights vs. my 20 year old Ray-O-Vac flashlight Navigation screen vs. holding a map in your hand Power seat vs. that weird lever the cost for the 'same' vehicle? $4-5K more at MSRP. It's no mistake that the prices have increased and pushed the possibility of owning a nice Legover or outback out of the reach of many first time buyers. bu that's what the Imprezas are for. And I mean no offense. Remember that one year at Harvard University once cost a whopping $10 grand. Which meant Daddy had to be rich to send you there. Now State schools cost that much. That being said I agree that they have eliminated some things that are questionable, especially the lack of MT in the wagon. Peace, Oquipah |
08-06-2005, 10:38 AM | #19 | |
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08-06-2005, 12:52 PM | #20 |
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subaru has always done wierd things w/their option packages. this is nothing new. and their prices have always gone up every year.
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08-06-2005, 01:34 PM | #21 |
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my next car needs to be a wagon, and the wrx is too small. i was going to get a Legacy GT wagon. Now i can't unless i can find a used 2005 2.5 GT wagon with 5MT. You would think subaru would want to provide some sort of upgrade path for people.
maybe they'll figure it out like honda did. For one year you could only buy the Accord V6 coupe with an auto. When sales suffered they reintroduced the manual transmission. |
08-06-2005, 02:15 PM | #22 |
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I can accept prices going up a little each year, such is life.
It's when they rework things so that in order to get a 250hp sedan, you are spending $3k more now to get it. I predict that Honda is going to get a lot more Accord buyers from subaru's move. You can get a V6 6MT coupe for $26,900. Hell, for that price, you even get the leather. If you want to settle for an automatic, you can get a V6 auto sedan for as low ast $24k. Legacys are nice, but they simply aren't worth almost $30k. The LTDs were always a terrible value, and now that's the only one you can buy. |
08-06-2005, 03:45 PM | #23 | |
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08-06-2005, 09:53 PM | #24 |
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Yeah, I did that. Said that, had the 5MT LGT Wagon not been available, we would not have bought a Subaru. Will it make any difference? I doubt it.
SOA has been told by FHI to "go up market", so they are cutting out the more "basic" options, and doubtless the SOA execs are making presentations to each other about how successful this move will be. The fact that that don't have any up market vehicles is probably supremely irrelevant to them. |
08-06-2005, 10:03 PM | #25 | |
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