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Old 06-19-2002, 07:30 AM   #1
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Default What do you all think about the COBB tuning kit?

I am thinking about getting the COBB tunning kit on my WRX. I am thinking the lower priced kit that gets you to around 260 HP or so.

Cost for all parts and instillation is $3600. Do you guys think it is worth it?

I think if I got it I would ask for everything except for the cold air intake cause that seems a bit pointless to me. Otherwise I like the overall kit.
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Old 06-19-2002, 08:09 AM   #2
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All of Cobb's kits are really nice, but very expensive in my opinion. There are cheaper ways to get the same power (Vishnu).

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Old 06-19-2002, 09:06 AM   #3
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I am thinking about getting the COBB tunning kit on my WRX. I am thinking the lower priced kit that gets you to around 260 HP or so.

Cost for all parts and instillation is $3600. Do you guys think it is worth it?

I think if I got it I would ask for everything except for the cold air intake cause that seems a bit pointless to me. Otherwise I like the overall kit.
the lower priced gets gets you 280hp
its very nice, and very safe.
I had the club spec kit for a good many miles, drag raced it, autocrossed it a bunch, drove it on the street hard, in texas heat, and its held up nicely. ran 13.4 in the 1/4 mile with.

since then Ive added a bigger turbo and intercooler, 1/4 mile time dropped to 12.9 and its still going strong.
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Old 06-19-2002, 09:07 AM   #4
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Vishnu stage 0 $1095
Turbo back exhaust $1100
intercooler spray kit $140
Intercooler hoses $140
wire harness $90
install aprox 6-8 hrs $525

total $3100

the vishnu alone will get you 265HP then add the turbo back and intercooler hoses. Make sure Shiv tunes the unichip for the hoses and exhaust.

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Old 06-19-2002, 10:49 AM   #5
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the cobb kit costs more as it replaces more expensive parts...i think a cobb club spec w/uppipe should get you around 230whp which is a little over 290 to the crank.
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Old 06-19-2002, 11:52 AM   #6
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Vishnu stage 0 $1095
Turbo back exhaust $1100
intercooler spray kit $140
Intercooler hoses $140
wire harness $90
install aprox 6-8 hrs $525

total $3100

the vishnu alone will get you 265HP then add the turbo back and intercooler hoses. Make sure Shiv tunes the unichip for the hoses and exhaust.

my .02
and of course the COBB/APS kit price includes install and dyno tune
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Old 06-19-2002, 02:20 PM   #7
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I included labor....forgot the dyno time though....he would still have $500 left over for that
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Old 06-19-2002, 03:38 PM   #8
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Cobb sounds pretty good and safe.
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Old 06-19-2002, 06:38 PM   #9
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with an MBC and underdrive pully be carefull or you will blow something up.

you have another vote for the cobb kit, its safer. and get yourself some new tires(now)
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Old 06-19-2002, 06:42 PM   #10
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is that there dyno?

that looks strangly like a 2 wheeler to me. could that be part of where there hp numbers are comming from. and is that what they use to tune the kit, there never putting my car on a 2 wheel dyno.

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Old 06-19-2002, 08:04 PM   #11
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That is not Cobb's dyno. They have a Mustang AWD dyno.
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Old 06-19-2002, 08:18 PM   #12
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Guys,

While acknowledging our obvious bias, I thought the price comparison on this thread was interesting.
Our club spec System costs $2,600.00 currently in the U.S.A., plus installation and tuning. It will happily and reliably make 280 H.P. at the flywheel.
The listed Vinshu parts add up to $2,565.00, plus install and tuning, for 265 H.P.
Without even entering into the quality discussion, where is the big issue?

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Old 06-19-2002, 08:48 PM   #13
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Sorry if I'm getting into this late. But here goes...

The Stage Zero, properly installed, brings an otherwise stock WRX, to an est. 270-275hp. Priced at $1095 plus install.

Adding an axle back muffler will improve hp by an additional 7-8hp. This is priced at $350-600 plus install.

Such a package would yield approx. 280hp and has proven to be quite safe and happy on both the street and on the road course. I see no reason to bring the issue of component quality into the discussion as the kits share no parts in common other than the Unichip. The Club Spec doesn't include an up-pipe and our kit doesn't include a turbo-back exhaust. Different approaches/solutions to the same problem.

Just my 2c,
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Old 06-19-2002, 09:05 PM   #14
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Guys,

While acknowledging our obvious bias, I thought the price comparison on this thread was interesting.
Our club spec System costs $2,600.00 currently in the U.S.A., plus installation and tuning. It will happily and reliably make 280 H.P. at the flywheel.
The listed Vinshu parts add up to $2,565.00, plus install and tuning, for 265 H.P.
Without even entering into the quality discussion, where is the big issue?

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Dave, the $2,565 in vishnu parts would be over the 265hp point.
The 265HP claim is for the stage0 kit alone which makes 265hp.

both are viable options, imo
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Old 06-19-2002, 10:46 PM   #15
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I was recently asked (in another forum on i-club) why I chose the Cobb Kit over the other available kits on the market. Hopefully, the question and answer below will give you some more insight...

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Oh nice Paulie. Can I ask what sold you on the Cobb kit? Did you look at the Vishnu kit also? I looked at both and the determing factor for me is that their is an authorized dealer/installer 3 miles down the road with an AWD dyno. Thanks!
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Yes, I did look into the Vishnu kit as well. Much like you, the determining factor had a lot to do with location. Cobb Tuning is about 3 1/2 hours from my house. Although the Club Spec kit is significantly more expensive than the Vishnu Stage zero for roughly the same performance, the tuning concept of APS and Cobb Tuning is more in line with what I had envisioned for this project, in terms of reliability (read: piece of mind for my wife).

This is my wife's daily driven car, that replaced the S2000. The promise I made to her was to improve upon every aspect of the car in order to surpass it's performance over a stock WRX, and up the ante on the S2000, all while being transparent to her. She made it quite clear that this couldn't be one of those tuner cars you see at the shows that look great, but required severe attention as a daily driver. This thing had to retain an OEM-like quality, as far as power delivery, reliability, and drivabililty. It had to be such to where I could take it to a dealer (or have her take it to the dealer), and have them work on it without special attention.

With the Vishnu kit, my wife and I didn't feel comfortable with way the performance levels were reached. The different plugs they use in their kit meant that there was a possibility of not getting a direct replacement if the need arises, since they are a different part than stock. The pulley they use means that you can't just replace the belt with a stock one, since the new belt has different specs, and I have been hearing that some folks have had issues with removing the harmonic balancer in favor of the new pulleys when higher hp levels are desired. In addition, I don't feel comfortable using an uppipe. Not that there is anything wrong with Vishnu's piece (quite the contrary, as I hear they are the best ones out there), but I've been reading several posts that uppipes in general have had exhaust leaks in many cars.

The APS-Cobb solution left no doubt that these small items would not be an issue, since there is no special spark plugs, no special belts, and no uppipe to consider.

Had I lived in Cali, Vishnu's solution would have been a stronger consideration, but living in Oklahoma (not exactly the tuning car capital of the USA) I feared if something went wrong I wouldn't be able to get some of the "different parts" (belts, plugs, etc) the other kit uses...

I'm sure you will be VERY happy with the Vishnu stuff, but for me the fact that I am in the military and travel a lot means that the piece of mind of not having to run different plugs, belts, etc was a big plus in terms of my wifes willingness to go along with this prioject...

Keep us posted on your progress and I wil do the same on my end...

All the best...

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Old 06-19-2002, 11:14 PM   #16
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Just to add to this discussion, my Stage 0 made 228.6wheel hp and 233ft/lbs torque. Not bad for a $1K. I have no idea what Cobb/APS kit produces to the wheels, but its gotta be arround the same. As for quality, I know Cobb's stuff is good, but Vishnu's is just as good if not better IMHO.

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Old 06-20-2002, 08:11 AM   #17
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Where are the Vishnu shops located?
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Old 06-20-2002, 08:53 AM   #18
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Is reliability really an issue with Vishnu? I'm certain I've read posts from people who have been running stage 0 for thousands of miles without any problems. Why would Cobb be considered "safer" or more reliable for the long term? Spark plugs? Pulleys? Come on. I am currently deciding between these two tuners, but was heavily leaning towards Vishnu. I originally intended on going with the Club Spec kit from Cobb, but after everything I've read about Stage 0 and other performance mods (as well as service and knowledge) from Vishnu, I've been swayed. But obviously if there are long term concerns about reliability or replacement parts, then I need to rethink. I find that doubtful considering all the praise I've heard about Vishnu.
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Old 06-20-2002, 08:54 AM   #19
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I've had the Club Spec since October of last year. The Vishnu Kit wasn't out at that time, and the Club Spec offered the solution I was looking for. I'd gone through the do-it-yourself mods on a prior car, wiring in boost controllers, et al. The Club Spec, using tried and true APS components, provided the safety and reliability I was looking for. To me, the price was very good considering it included installation, and dyno-tuning. My numbers don't seem to match those of danbest (222hp,220 lb/ft), but that's Subaru ecus for you. Still I've had no problems except for the cel for cat inefficiency, but Cobb is waiting for a manufacturer to complete the production of the fix for that problem.

I've made one mode to the car since then. I replaced the stock connector (between the "T" off the turbo, and the boost controller), going to a 3/16 x 1/4 connector. The result is the turbo spools a lot sooner, and makes the driving experience that much more enjoyable. It remains to be seen how the ecu will ruin my fun.
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the ECU isn't going to ruin your fun.


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I've made one mode to the car since then. I replaced the stock connector (between the "T" off the turbo, and the boost controller), going to a 3/16 x 1/4 connector. The result is the turbo spools a lot sooner, and makes the driving experience that much more enjoyable. It remains to be seen how the ecu will ruin my fun.
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Quote:
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I'm sure you will be VERY happy with the Vishnu stuff, but for me the fact that I am in the military and travel a lot means that the piece of mind of not having to run different plugs, belts, etc was a big plus in terms of my wifes willingness to go along with this prioject...
Just an FYI, both the plugs and the belts are available at just about every auto parts store I've ever seen. I wouldn't consider them hard-to-get items. No harder (although less expensive) than getting the stock components from you dealership. It's also my opinion (as well as that of many others) that any turbo engine making more-than-stock hp or subject to hard driving conditions should run colder-than-stock spark plugs. Of course, in a bind, stock plugs can be used. The car will still run fine with either type.

I think you made a fine decision in what system to go with. However, I just wanted to add my 2c regarding the parts availability comments.

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Jack, is there something more I need to know? Do you think going with that connector is a bad idea?
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I hope when you are comparing power numbers they are all at least from the same make/model dyno, if not actually the same unit. As has been widely discussed elsewhere, anything else is meaningless. Also, you guys need to keep in mind the boost figure used at peak power to achieve any given figure. At the risk of stating the obvious, you want the best power at the lowest possible boost figure.

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At the risk of stating the obvious, you want the best power at the lowest possible boost figure.
That's a pretty big blanket statement to make. One that I rarely believe to be absolutely true. Especially in the octane-limited conditions we operate our toys in.

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That's a pretty big blanket statement to make. One that I rarely believe to be absolutely true. Especially in the octane-limited conditions we operate our toys in.

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It seems to me that I want as much boost as can be safely handled by my setup (whatever that might be). Maybe it's all in how you look at the statement APS made. At some point, while trying to find the best boost level for any given setup, it's possible to have to dial the boost back to make the best power in the interest of engine safety,and reliability as both tuners here claim as their creedo. Too much boost for a given application will pump inefficient hot air. Perhaps that's the meaning behind the statement from Dave. If so, isn't that hard to argue against? What would have been a more accurate way to state "the obvious"?
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