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Old 10-11-2017, 10:04 AM   #751
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Didn't really notice anything major between the PR2 2016/17 tunes.

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We have our beta tune for the 18 WRX ready to go right now!

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Also, if I buy the accessport from you before you have the MAPerfomance stage 1 91 octane tune ready, can I just run the cobb stg1 map until you have it ready, and then still get the tune you load on for free as long as I can prove I bought it from you? Or do I have to wait until you just tune an '18 and release the map?
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We have our beta tune for the 18 WRX ready to go right now!
I got the beta tune from you today, what does 'beta' mean at this point? the tune is still in testing? anything I should look out for? be worried about?
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This tune is pretty much a "copy and paste" from the 16/17 tunes. However, there were some tables changed by Cobb that would effect some part throttle drivability. So that is the main thing we are trying to confirm. Once we have enough logs and feedback from customers, we can put that into the final first stage release.

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I got the beta tune from you today, what does 'beta' mean at this point? the tune is still in testing? anything I should look out for? be worried about?
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Hey MAP, a couple questions. I have a 2018 WRX and just flashed the MAP stage 1 beta tune that you had just sent me (Justin).

So far it feels great but wondering a few things:
  • While driving the few times I have with the tune in the past two days I've noticed the feedback knock staying at 0 most of the time but after what I think were times of moderate pulls in 2/3/4th gear by me, I've seen the min (left-side number) hit up to -4.22 and -2 something one other time. Is this something to be concerned about or is this typical? I've mostly been reading that only up to -1 or -2 is normal so I'm a bit concerned.

  • Now my car seems to idle right at 800 RPMs when warmed up. When stock, it idled at 700 when the shifter was not in gear (clutch in) but always jumped to and stayed at 800 when the shifter was put into any gear (clutch in). Is this something that was changed to remain one constant (800) at all times with the map? Not sure if only 18s idled like that stock or if prior years did too but just wanted to confirm on the change.

  • I could be wrong when comparing to stock but standing at the back of my car for a short time it seems that the exhaust gives off slight "popping" noises a little more often at idle than before. I have a Nameless axleback with 5" mufflers and noticed it before too but I don't think quite as frequent/constant.

  • Should DAM ever not be at 1.00? If it ever moves from that at all, is it necessarily bad?

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Old 11-07-2017, 10:15 PM   #756
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Hey MAP, a couple questions. I have a 2018 WRX and just flashed the MAP stage 1 beta tune that you had just sent me (Justin).

So far it feels great but wondering a few things:
  • While driving the few times I have with the tune in the past two days I've noticed the feedback knock staying at 0 most of the time but after what I think were times of moderate pulls in 2/3/4th gear by me, I've seen the min (left-side number) hit up to -4.22 and -2 something one other time. Is this something to be concerned about or is this typical? I've mostly been reading that only up to -1 or -2 is normal so I'm a bit concerned.



  • Now my car seems to idle right at 800 RPMs when warmed up. When stock, it idled at 700 when the shifter was not in gear (clutch in) but always jumped to and stayed at 800 when the shifter was put into any gear (clutch in). Is this something that was changed to remain one constant (800) at all times with the map? Not sure if only 18s idled like that stock or if prior years did too but just wanted to confirm on the change.

  • I could be wrong when comparing to stock but standing at the back of my car for a short time it seems that the exhaust gives off slight "popping" noises a little more often at idle than before. I have a Nameless axleback with 5" mufflers and noticed it before too but I don't think quite as frequent/constant.

  • Should DAM ever not be at 1.00? If it ever moves from that at all, is it necessarily bad?

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I am wondering the same Ian. Any help on this?
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:10 PM   #757
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Waiting for some updates.

I already flashed the cobb stage 1 tune onto my 18 wrx and driveability is better, but still a bit annoying at times.

Rev hang is still there, throttle mapping, although better than stock, still poor.

Didn't notice any power gain. I just flashed the tune to get rid of the rev hang and the terrible throttle mapping.

Will the MAP stage 1 be better? Or should i just wait for revisions?
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:12 PM   #758
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Waiting for some updates.

I already flashed the cobb stage 1 tune onto my 18 wrx and driveability is better, but still a bit annoying at times.

Rev hang is still there, throttle mapping, although better than stock, still poor.

Didn't notice any power gain. I just flashed the tune to get rid of the rev hang and the terrible throttle mapping.

Will the MAP stage 1 be better? Or should i just wait for revisions?
I would hold off on flashing the 2018 MAP Stage 1 93 oct beta tune man. Both JamieWRX18 and myself were getting knock numbers of -2 to -4 or -5 on more than one occasion, so we both flashed back to Cobb Stage 1 and the knock sensor never showed worse than -1.44 again (for me at least).

I sent Ian and a tuner there my information and some logs but haven't heard back from them via email in over 2 weeks...

Also, rev hang should pretty much be completely gone, even with the Cobb OTS map. Are you sure you flashed it? I have it as well, and I have no rev hang and the car is definitely faster and power is more linear...
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:19 PM   #759
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I would hold off on flashing the 2018 MAP Stage 1 93 oct beta tune man. Both JamieWRX18 and myself were getting knock numbers of -2 to -4 or -5 on more than one occasion, so we both flashed back to Cobb Stage 1 and the knock sensor never showed worse than -1.44 again (for me at least).

I sent Ian and a tuner there my information and some logs but haven't heard back from them via email in over 2 weeks...

Also, rev hang should pretty much be completely gone, even with the Cobb OTS map. Are you sure you flashed it? I have it as well, and I have no rev hang and the car is definitely faster and power is more linear...


I would second that. I haven’t heard much from them in 2 weeks just for one revision of their stage 2 tune. Was having some issues, so ended up getting an etune from TP which only took 2 days to get the final revision and the car now runs great.

This is not a bash on maperformance at all, their stage 2 setup on my car sounds absolutley amazing. I just wouldn’t rely on them for tunes too much.
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:54 AM   #760
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Sorry for the delay guys. I took a vacation for the first time in 4 years, and was out of the office the past week and a half. Brian also had some work to do in AZ, so we are a bit backed up. However, as long as we have logs to review, we will be using those for the next revision. I will make sure to update you guys when it is ready!

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I would second that. I haven’t heard much from them in 2 weeks just for one revision of their stage 2 tune. Was having some issues, so ended up getting an etune from TP which only took 2 days to get the final revision and the car now runs great.

This is not a bash on maperformance at all, their stage 2 setup on my car sounds absolutley amazing. I just wouldn’t rely on them for tunes too much.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:18 AM   #761
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How goes the 91 octane tune for us Nevadans and the fuel we have to contend with? I have a 2018 WRX 6 speed that just rolled past break-in and it needs a tune bad.
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I would personally wait until we release our ACN91 tunes which are coming.

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Old 11-22-2017, 01:11 PM   #763
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OK, that's the plan then, I'll order when that becomes an option
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:08 PM   #764
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I would hold off on flashing the 2018 MAP Stage 1 93 oct beta tune man. Both JamieWRX18 and myself were getting knock numbers of -2 to -4 or -5 on more than one occasion, so we both flashed back to Cobb Stage 1 and the knock sensor never showed worse than -1.44 again (for me at least).

I sent Ian and a tuner there my information and some logs but haven't heard back from them via email in over 2 weeks...

Also, rev hang should pretty much be completely gone, even with the Cobb OTS map. Are you sure you flashed it? I have it as well, and I have no rev hang and the car is definitely faster and power is more linear...

Yes i'm sure i flashed the car lol. This isn't my first wrx lol

Searching some threads, it seems that the cobb maps, well at least for stage 1, reduces the rev hang but doesn't completely eliminate it unless you have someone make a special tune for you. But COBB's OTS stage 1 doesn't eliminate the rev hang 100%.

If i had to throw a percentage out, i would say rev hang is reduced by 60%, it's still there. Definitely better than stock.

I checked COBB's site and there's an update for the AP V3. Meaning there's a revision for the stage 1 guys.

Does that mean if i reflash my car, with the updated map, that could mean changes in the actual map? That i'm not sure about.

When COBB puts out updates, are the updates like a better tune than the previous map? Like is COBB constantly making the map better, thus having updates?

I'm wondering if i should reflash the same stage 1 map that's updated, or is it going to be the same exact thing?
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:25 PM   #765
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Yes i'm sure i flashed the car lol. This isn't my first wrx lol

Searching some threads, it seems that the cobb maps, well at least for stage 1, reduces the rev hang but doesn't completely eliminate it unless you have someone make a special tune for you. But COBB's OTS stage 1 doesn't eliminate the rev hang 100%.

If i had to throw a percentage out, i would say rev hang is reduced by 60%, it's still there. Definitely better than stock.

I checked COBB's site and there's an update for the AP V3. Meaning there's a revision for the stage 1 guys.

Does that mean if i reflash my car, with the updated map, that could mean changes in the actual map? That i'm not sure about.

When COBB puts out updates, are the updates like a better tune than the previous map? Like is COBB constantly making the map better, thus having updates?

I'm wondering if i should reflash the same stage 1 map that's updated, or is it going to be the same exact thing?
You can see what changes they made with each revision at the bottom of the page below:

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You can see what changes they made with each revision at the bottom of the page below:

https://cobbtuning.atlassian.net/wik...for+VA+WRX+6MT
Oh damn, how did i miss that? lol

Thanks for the clarification.

Btw, my current tune (before the revision), has nothing to do with what the revision is for. Should i just reinstall the stage 1 map anyway that way my car is up to date? lol

Or just leave it?
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I would hold off on flashing the 2018 MAP Stage 1 93 oct beta tune man. Both JamieWRX18 and myself were getting knock numbers of -2 to -4 or -5 on more than one occasion, so we both flashed back to Cobb Stage 1 and the knock sensor never showed worse than -1.44 again (for me at least).

I sent Ian and a tuner there my information and some logs but haven't heard back from them via email in over 2 weeks...

Also, rev hang should pretty much be completely gone, even with the Cobb OTS map. Are you sure you flashed it? I have it as well, and I have no rev hang and the car is definitely faster and power is more linear...
I haven't had any knock issues with the v6 beta tune. Never gone past -1.44. I am not very impressed with power delivery though. I am 2-4 PSI under target boost at WOT, I sent my logs to Ian for them to look over. I feel like it has gotten weaker since I flashed it but I am probably just getting used to the car.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:56 PM   #768
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I haven't had any knock issues with the v6 beta tune. Never gone past -1.44. I am not very impressed with power delivery though. I am 2-4 PSI under target boost at WOT, I sent my logs to Ian for them to look over. I feel like it has gotten weaker since I flashed it but I am probably just getting used to the car.
Lower quality fuel for winter?
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I haven't had any knock issues with the v6 beta tune. Never gone past -1.44. I am not very impressed with power delivery though. I am 2-4 PSI under target boost at WOT, I sent my logs to Ian for them to look over. I feel like it has gotten weaker since I flashed it but I am probably just getting used to the car.
Well at least two of us did, so either you haven't experienced it yet, it's false knock for me and the other person, or all engines differ? Who knows.
Power felt fine to me...especially compared to Cobb stg 1 which feels "safer" and weaker, but it also isn't hitting as low of knock numbers as the MAP did - on Cobb I get -1.44s often and two occasions a week apart of -2.88 at low throttle/speed.

I sent some logs to Ian from the MAP tune weeks ago and he forwarded them to a tuner there, but like I said, haven't heard anything back.
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I am very sorry for the late response. Our tuner has been pretty backed up with a lot of things currently. However, he did tell me he is going to try to get caught up on logs this week. So please keep an eye out for any emails from him!

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Well at least two of us did, so either you haven't experienced it yet, it's false knock for me and the other person, or all engines differ? Who knows.
Power felt fine to me...especially compared to Cobb stg 1 which feels "safer" and weaker, but it also isn't hitting as low of knock numbers as the MAP did - on Cobb I get -1.44s often and two occasions a week apart of -2.88 at low throttle/speed.

I sent some logs to Ian from the MAP tune weeks ago and he forwarded them to a tuner there, but like I said, haven't heard anything back.
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I am very sorry for the late response. Our tuner has been pretty backed up with a lot of things currently. However, he did tell me he is going to try to get caught up on logs this week. So please keep an eye out for any emails from him!
Thank you.
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Lower quality fuel for winter?
Maybe? I use BP 93 because I have their card. I tried Shell once because I had to and it seemed to be a little stronger but I have a very unreliable butt dyno.
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Well at least two of us did, so either you haven't experienced it yet, it's false knock for me and the other person, or all engines differ? Who knows.
Power felt fine to me...especially compared to Cobb stg 1 which feels "safer" and weaker, but it also isn't hitting as low of knock numbers as the MAP did - on Cobb I get -1.44s often and two occasions a week apart of -2.88 at low throttle/speed.

I sent some logs to Ian from the MAP tune weeks ago and he forwarded them to a tuner there, but like I said, haven't heard anything back.
I'm not saying there isn't knock for some with the MAP, I just didn't experience much. Probably engine differences. I get more knock with the COBB map but its still not that often. -1.44 here and there.

I may just be looking for more power than this car can deliver, should have gone with STI haha.
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I was getting fairly consistent -1.44 knock on Cobb and MAP tunes as well as occasional -2.88 readings with Cobb, but even lower negative numbers with MAP (-3s and -4s occasionally).
The problem is, I still have not been told by anyone from MAP or anywhere whether these readings mean I should immediately flash back to stock or not - no idea. I could be blowing up my engine over time slowly every single drive. A little insight or quick word on whether I am safe or not in the meantime would have been nice.
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I was getting fairly consistent -1.44 knock on Cobb and MAP tunes as well as occasional -2.88 readings with Cobb, but even lower negative numbers with MAP (-3s and -4s occasionally).
The problem is, I still have not been told by anyone from MAP or anywhere whether these readings mean I should immediately flash back to stock or not - no idea. I could be blowing up my engine over time slowly every single drive. A little insight or quick word on whether I am safe or not in the meantime would have been nice.
Not sure if you have seen this document but it has some useful information.

https://static.cobbtuning.com/cobbtu...atalogging.pdf

Also this

https://www.cobbtuning.com/subaru-kn...logic-changes/

If you are worried I would say stock is safest route until you can get a definite answer. From my understanding DAM dropping is when you are really in danger but I am far from knowledgeable on the subject.
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