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Old 09-10-2021, 01:56 PM   #16326
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I'm about to tackle putting brick on my fireplace because I cant get anybody and the contractor left his tile saw here. With YouTube I feel like I can do anything at this point. These are crazy times right now.
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Old 09-10-2021, 01:56 PM   #16327
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Iím about to tackle putting brick on my fireplace because I cant get anybody and the contractor left his tile saw here. With YouTube I feel like I can do anything at this point. These are crazy times right now.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:10 PM   #16328
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R22 is currently a finite resources, so it's not going to get any cheaper. And that price is the wholesale cost currently, so that guy's retail price isn't that surprising. We have R22 units at work, and even our cost for a bottle of refrigerant is still hundreds of dollars.
It is, but it's also easily available online.

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Either way it's a hell of a lot cheaper to service an existing unit than replace it simply because it uses R22...
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So what's the replacement for R22? My AC unit has to be 20+ years old at this point and I know it's only time before it ****s out.
I dunno, but I would guess in the $5 - 7k range at least with no replacement of ducting, but I'm just guessing.

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At 20+ years it's EOL so I'd just replace the unit. New/current stuff is R410.
I also read that you can have your R22 system drained and replaced with R410A. They have similar psychometric properties, but the R22 has to be fully drained first.

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Was chatting with my coworker who's a master HVAC tech and he says the going rate for a 30 lbs bottle of R22 is almost a thousand bucks.
Yeah, works about to about $30/pound per ebay. I heard you're supposed to have a license for this stuff, but apparently it's easily available online.

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I want to say an average AC takes less than 5 lbs...so still pretty cheap compared to replacing something that is working.
I'm about half thinking about buying some online and calling around or posting on craigslist for someone to just come top it off for me. The mark-up on R22 is just ridiculous.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:14 PM   #16329
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Iím about to tackle putting brick on my fireplace because I cant get anybody and the contractor left his tile saw here. With YouTube I feel like I can do anything at this point. These are crazy times right now.
Crazy is an understatement.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:22 PM   #16330
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I just remembered that I have an R134a manifold set from back in the day; looks like they make adapters to connect it to R22. I can probably just figure this out on my own and charge both units for less than $400.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:56 PM   #16331
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It is, but it's also easily available online.


Agree.



I dunno, but I would guess in the $5 - 7k range at least with no replacement of ducting, but I'm just guessing. The whole industry is basically price fixed.



I also read that you can have your R22 system drained and replaced with R410A. They have similar psychometric properties, but the R22 has to be fully drained first.



Yeah, works about to about $30/pound per ebay. I heard you're supposed to have a license for this stuff, but apparently it's easily available online.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23405105905...4AAOSwXx5gfnMI



I'm about half thinking about buying some online and calling around or posting on craigslist for someone to just come top it off for me. The mark-up on R22 is just ridiculous.
As a person who works for a large distribution company with an HVAC division, the HVAC stuff is on LOCK and basically impossible to source or have installed without the correct license. They won't even sell HVAC stuff to employees.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:43 PM   #16332
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So what's the replacement for R22? My AC unit has to be 20+ years old at this point and I know it's only time before it ****s out.

Depends on specs. of course but here's a 2.5 ton Carrier 16 SEER system for $2.5k. You can get Goodman for cheaper.

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Old 09-10-2021, 04:45 PM   #16333
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A universal refrigerant license isn't hard to get, but it does cost money and there's testing involved. With one of those you can walk into an HVAC supply store and buy whatever. And you can't mix 410 and R22, so you'd need to capture the old refrigerant, put a vacuum on the system, charge and purge it with nitrogen, then you could fill with 410.
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:15 PM   #16334
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I just remembered that I have an R134a manifold set from back in the day; looks like they make adapters to connect it to R22. I can probably just figure this out on my own and charge both units for less than $400.
If you don't like that price you were quoted, call around for a few more contractors. You are going down a road that only leads to trouble. If you f' it up you'll be out 5-7k. You are talking about spending $400 and the original quote was $150?
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:27 PM   #16335
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As a person who works for a large distribution company with an HVAC division, the HVAC stuff is on LOCK and basically impossible to source or have installed without the correct license. They won't even sell HVAC stuff to employees.
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A universal refrigerant license isn't hard to get, but it does cost money and there's testing involved. With one of those you can walk into an HVAC supply store and buy whatever. And you can't mix 410 and R22, so you'd need to capture the old refrigerant, put a vacuum on the system, charge and purge it with nitrogen, then you could fill with 410.
It appears you can straight up buy it from ebay without a license and have it shipped to your house.

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If you don't like that price you were quoted, call around for a few more contractors. You are going down a road that only leads to trouble. If you f' it up you'll be out 5-7k. You are talking about spending $400 and the original quote was $150?
I probably will.

We didn't get into the full quote, but the cost was $150/pound for R22, plus a $65 charge per unit just to look at it, plus (I've read online) that most places will charge some sort of environmental fee...plus whatever unknown fees there are.

Assuming I would need a few pounds per unit, we're probably talking close to $1k+ to check on two units that appear to already be working fine, but are just getting dated. So, I'm currently left with the choice of do I want to spend $0 (do nothing), $400-ish (DIY) or $1000+, with a wild card option of the guy below.

I did get a contact from a friend of mind that has a HVAC guy that does some stuff on the side, so I may just have him look at it if I can get the cost/lb down for R22.
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:33 PM   #16336
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Iím about to tackle putting brick on my fireplace because I cant get anybody and the contractor left his tile saw here. With YouTube I feel like I can do anything at this point. These are crazy times right now.
Hehe. We put in a fireplace several years ago.

Quotes from contractors were insane. Getting quotes like $20k+

My wife and I just decided to do it ourselves. I had it framed up in 2 hours. Drywall was up and fireplace insert installed in half a day.

I think we spent all of $2k on everything.
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Old 09-10-2021, 07:51 PM   #16337
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Hehe. We put in a fireplace several years ago.

Quotes from contractors were insane. Getting quotes like $20k+

My wife and I just decided to do it ourselves. I had it framed up in 2 hours. Drywall was up and fireplace insert installed in half a day.

I think we spent all of $2k on everything.
This should be relatively easy.

Itís already all framed up and blocked. I just need to put some backer board on a couple spots.

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Old 09-10-2021, 08:54 PM   #16338
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This should be relatively easy.



Itís already all framed up and blocked. I just need to put some backer board on a couple spots.



Nice! I didn't block around anything, but did put cement board around everything as a fireproof barrier. Wasn't required but made me feel better.

Started with a big blank wall. Built all of that ourselves.


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Old 09-11-2021, 08:41 AM   #16339
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A universal refrigerant license isn't hard to get, but it does cost money and there's testing involved. With one of those you can walk into an HVAC supply store and buy whatever. And you can't mix 410 and R22, so you'd need to capture the old refrigerant, put a vacuum on the system, charge and purge it with nitrogen, then you could fill with 410.
I think this was the plan a few years ago, the HVAC contractor said they needed to clear the old juice out, clean the lines, and get new stuff in. I'm sure it's only gone up in price since then.

I've never done anything HVAC before besides troubleshoot and clean the ignitor to get the heat working in a pinch. I can do plumbing and electrical. Is this doable? Connecting to the old duct work would be the biggest new task I need to learn. It's a pretty accessible job.

Also while I'm in there, just saw my water heater looks like it's 4 years old, looked closer it was built in 2006 Warranty expired 2012. So I'm guessing this thing is about to be 14 years old.
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Old 09-11-2021, 09:53 AM   #16340
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Speaking of fireplaces, I'm trying to figure out what to do with mine. I'm going to rip that insert out and either go with a gas fireplace or just another wood log insert. I don't want to demo the brick out but cover it / design over it.

Any thoughts / suggestions? House is being painted Monday in "pure white." First pic is the fireplace area, the rest are ideas.

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Old 09-11-2021, 09:58 AM   #16341
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Suggestion: after uploading click drop down and change to "direct link". Insert said link as image.
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Old 09-11-2021, 12:43 PM   #16342
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Suggestion: after uploading click drop down and change to "direct link". Insert said link as image.
Well crap, Iíll fix that later today
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Old 09-11-2021, 02:52 PM   #16343
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Shutters.
Wife wants new ones since the builder grade ones have faded in the Georgia sun after only 3 years. She was leaning towards making them, now she's leaning towards buying them.
I just want something maintenance free that won't fade, no desire to stain or paint every couple years. Suggestions?
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Old 09-11-2021, 04:31 PM   #16344
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Can anyone identify this bulb type? It came out of a exterior motion sensing light. Thanks.

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Can anyone identify this bulb type? It came out of a exterior motion sensing light. Thanks.


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Old 09-11-2021, 06:42 PM   #16346
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Shutters.
Wife wants new ones since the builder grade ones have faded in the Georgia sun after only 3 years. She was leaning towards making them, now she's leaning towards buying them.
I just want something maintenance free that won't fade, no desire to stain or paint every couple years. Suggestions?
Honeycomb shades. Can get light filtering, blackout, different colors, motorized , bottom up, top bottom, split. etc. my Mom had them in her house in Georgia and they looked really nice and didnít fade. Decided to go that route in my home. Have the living room and bedrooms motorized, can control with a remote, app, or a hub for Alexa, google or apple, can also program for timers. Surprisingly they are priced fairly well. Went with mid / upper tier but not top of the line. Should have them installed in 2 weeks. Battery powered for motorized and rechargeable. Batteries should last a year on a charge.
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Oh, well those are really cool, but I was asking about the decorative exterior shutters
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So to be clear they don't operate?
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Oh, well those are really cool, but I was asking about the decorative exterior shutters
Is painting them with a good exterior semi-gloss an option? That's what most people do here.

I want to replace our 20yr old fake ones with real operating shutters.

Real shutters beat the hell out of climbing a ladder with a piece of plywood in prep for a hurricane.
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Is painting them with a good exterior semi-gloss an option? That's what most people do here.

I want to replace our 20yr old fake ones with real operating shutters.

Real shutters beat the hell out of climbing a ladder with a piece of plywood in prep for a hurricane.
seems like the way to go anyway.. especially where you are. Like, If I saw real shutters on a house, i'd probably actually notice that they were indeed big enough to cover the window if they were shut . Maybe that;s the construction side of me talking- most people don't notice that stuff I guess.

I never liked the fake ones much myself. I guess they look okay but it's like a stick on hood scoop from autozone.
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