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Old 07-22-2002, 12:49 PM   #1
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Angry What Lance has to deal with for being a great cyclist, kinda long

I copied this from msn.com.

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MONT VENTOUX, France -- As he closes in on a fourth straight Tour de France title, Lance Armstrong is hearing a familiar but unwelcome chant from fans lining the route.


On Sunday, after another strong performance in the mountains extended his overall lead to almost 4½ minutes, Armstrong had heard enough.


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"If I had a dollar for every time somebody yelled, `Doe-PAY! Doe-PAY!' (French for 'Doped! Doped!'), I'd be a rich man,'' he said. "It's disappointing.''


Thanks to a stunning sprint up the formidable Mont Ventoux on Sunday, Armstrong stretched his lead over Joseba Beloki in the standings to 4 minutes, 21 seconds.


The run wasn't enough for the Texan to take the stage, though. Armstrong finished third, 2:20 behind winner Richard Virenque of France, who led for the last 125 miles of the 137-mile 14th leg.


Thousands of fans turned out for the stage, but not all were on Armstrong's side.


"The people are not very sportsmanslike, some of them,'' the U.S. Postal Service rider said. "A boo is a lot louder than a cheer. If you have 10 people cheering and one person booing, all you hear is the boo.''


Many fans waved the U.S. flag and banners with Armstrong's name Sunday. But they were outnumbered by those supporting the French, Belgian, Italian and German riders, among others.


Virenque is one of the riders who's most popular with French fans, even though two years ago he confessed to taking drugs when competing for the Festina team. That whole squad, including Virenque, was thrown out of the 1998 Tour when a stash of banned drugs was found in a team car.


Since he started dominating the Tour in 1999, Armstrong has heard accusations of drug use. He steadfastly denies using performance enhancers and never has failed a drug test.


He said he couldn't understand the behavior of fans who jeer him.


"I think it's an indication of their intelligence,'' he said. "I'm not here to be friends with a bunch of people who stand at the side of the road, who've had too much to drink, and want to yell.


"It's an issue of class: Do you have class, or do you not have class? That's not the way a classy person acts.''


Armstrong added that the gibes didn't affect him, although he looked tense.


"I don't really care. Nor will I care in three or four years when I'm sitting on the beach with my kids, having a cool beer,'' he said.


Virenque's win was the fifth stage victory of his Tour career but the first since returning from a nine-month ban that prevented him from riding in last year's competition.


He drew the ban for admitting to drug use in a trial that grew out of the Festina scandal. At the time, he said the suspension would likely end his career, but he later joined the Domo Farm Frites team, for which he still rides.


"At the foot (of the Ventoux), I didn't believe I could do it,'' Virenque said Sunday. "The public carried me.''


He clocked 5 hours, 43 minutes, 26 seconds in the stretch through the Languedoc and Provence regions, where temperatures soared to 95 degrees.


Russia's Alexander Botcharov was second, 1:58 behind.


Armstrong hasn't won a stage at the Ventoux in five attempts, including the 2000 Tour and three editions of the Dauphine Libere race.


"I didn't come here to win the Mont Ventoux,'' he said. "I came here to win the Tour de France.''


There are six stages remaining in the three-week event, including three mountain stages in the Alps, but Armstrong's rivals are unlikely to reduce his big lead. Monday is a rest day.


Mont Ventoux rears up 6,309 feet from flat countryside in southeastern France. The summit is a barren landscape of white rocks with no trees or shrubs.


The Ventoux is probably the toughest climb in France. In the 1967 Tour, British rider Tom Simpson suffered a fatal heart attack near the summit because of heat exhaustion and use of amphetamines.


Two fans -- an adult and an 11-year-old child -- were slightly injured Sunday when they were hit by police motorbikes from the Tour convoy in separate accidents. Both fans were trying to cross the road taken by the Tour when the accidents occurred.


Last week, a 7-year-old boy was killed by a car from the Tour convoy.
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You expect anything less than poor character from the French?

A little known nugget of joy about the French is that they sold out more allied airmen for the bounty than they helped to rescue.

Viva la France......
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What's your point? He's an american in France. He's not going to be popular in another country. It's normal, it happens in every sport. Look at the World Cup and the matches Korea played in. I don't know what you are trying to say. If he's not happy, he can stay in the good old USA and not go there.
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the Frogs piss me off. They are rude, elitist, and completely ignorant toward Americans. Spineless pukes. Not all of course, but just about every one of them I've met.
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What's your point? He's an american in France. He's not going to be popular in another country. It's normal, it happens in every sport. Look at the World Cup and the matches Korea played in. I don't know what you are trying to say. If he's not happy, he can stay in the good old USA and not go there.
That's incorrect. Michael Jordan is loved everywhere he goes, even France. He is the most recognizable person on the planet if I remember correctly.

Lance Armstrong is the Michael Jordan of cycling. Actually he's better than that. This guy was on the verge of death, and made a comeback to win multiple Tour De France races. He's also tested negative to every drug test ever. If that doesn't command respect, then those people have NO class and NO integrity. They're just poor sports because it's another American kicking everyone else's ass because he worked harder than they did. They're just sore losers.
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Jordan's case is different, he doesn't play in other leagues in other countries, not seriously at least.
Look at what the americans do to Colin Mongomerie when he comes to play on the US PGA tour, shouting when he hits, cheering when he misses putts. There are idiots everywhere in the world, yes, even in America.
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I truely dislike the French. They can't face it we're beating them at their own game. Why do they think they are so much better then us? We (britian/US) freed France from Germany in WW2 and if that wasn't enough, we helped rebuild their country.

:monkey: F-you Frenchy's

Thanks Lance for being strong and representing the US in a positive way. I wouldn't have as much class as him.

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I truely dislike the French. They can't face it we're beating them at their own game. Why do they think they are so much better then us? We (britian/US) freed France from Germany in WW2 and if that wasn't enough, we helped rebuild their country.

:monkey: F-you Frenchy's

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And they saved our asses from the British durring the Revolution...
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Heh...even Canadians have a bit of a hard time with the Quebecois! ain't that right, Goose?
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Jordan's case is different, he doesn't play in other leagues in other countries, not seriously at least.
Look at what the americans do to Colin Mongomerie when he comes to play on the US PGA tour, shouting when he hits, cheering when he misses putts. There are idiots everywhere in the world, yes, even in America.

I think, and I could be wrong, but Colin Montgomery did some stuff to piss a lot of Americans off. I don't remember exactly but he made some statements on TV or interviews about either the American players or American spectators at PGA events. He did some instigating of some kind. Not that it's ok for us to treat him poorly, but you know how we get when someone bad mouths us.

Lance on the other hand did absolutely no instigating at all. And the fact that the Frogs are accusing Lance of drug use is inexcusable. LOW class.
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I think, and I could be wrong, but Colin Montgomery did some stuff to piss a lot of Americans off. I don't remember exactly but he made some statements on TV or interviews about either the American players or American spectators at PGA events. He did some instigating of some kind. Not that it's ok for us to treat him poorly, but you know how we get when someone bad mouths us.

Lance on the other hand did absolutely no instigating at all. And the fact that the Frogs are accusing Lance of drug use is inexcusable. LOW class.
That'll be when he complained about the US players / fans jumping about and celebrating, trampling all over the green before Europe had taken their last putt, which could have levelled the scores (not a big golf fan, but I remember this happening).
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The US players were not very gentleman-like when they jumped you must admit. Monty was picked on well before the incident though. They do it because he reacts to it and gets mad, not because he made comments on US players
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Anyways there are unsportsman-like behaviours everywhere in the world and saying that americans are super sporty and non bias when other sportsmen come to compete in the US is just...well you know the word for it.
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Anyways there are unsportsman-like behaviours everywhere in the world and saying that americans are super sporty and non bias when other sportsmen come to compete in the US is just...well you know the word for it.
Yeah but accusing an athlete of drug use just because he's kicking your ass is total crap. That just makes them look even worse.
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Yeah but accusing an athlete of drug use just because he's kicking your ass is total crap. That just makes them look even worse.
Drug use has been so prevalent in professional cycling that they just assumed that Lance must be taking some since it appears impossible for anyone to make such an incredible comeback after cancer. They're just a jealous bunch since a Frenchman hadn't won the tour since Benard Hinault.
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Drug accusations(sp) and the Tour is commonplace. Every year the leaders get accused by the French and Frensh press. Nothing new. IMO it purely comes down to the press wanting to sell papers and the public getting caught up in it all. In 1998 the tour was almost cancelled cuz the riders staged a road block for the way the tour organizers handled the whole drug investigation. It ended up being a big cluster*uck.

Like Lance said these so-called bike racing fans have ZERO class. Just an excuse to wash down some beer.

Lance I am sure is prolly spending much less time on this subject than we are. He is pretty thick skinned from his incredible past. I am willing to bet it only adds a little more fuel to his intense fire anyways.

Bring em on! :monkey:

If you attack, you better be ready fred, for Lance will ride anyone off his wheel.
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Drug accusations(sp) and the Tour is commonplace. Every year the leaders get accused by the French and Frensh press. Nothing new. IMO it purely comes down to the press wanting to sell papers and the public getting caught up in it all. In 1998 the tour was almost cancelled cuz the riders staged a road block for the way the tour organizers handled the whole drug investigation. It ended up being a big cluster*uck.

Like Lance said these so-called bike racing fans have ZERO class. Just an excuse to wash down some beer.

Lance I am sure is prolly spending much less time on this subject than we are. He is pretty thick skinned from his incredible past. I am willing to bet it only adds a little more fuel to his intense fire anyways.

Bring em on! :monkey:

If you attack, you better be ready fred, for Lance will ride anyone off his wheel.
maybe the "euro's" know something that you don't.

Lance was not a complete cyclist. He didn't run the Spanish Vuelta, the Italian Giro, or had any impact on the cycling world championships. He was very strong, but should have proved himself on other cycling events. The Tour is not cycling, and cycling is not the Tour. However, props for winning 7? inna row.
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Lance was not a complete cyclist. He didn't run the Spanish Vuelta, the Italian Giro, or had any impact on the cycling world championships. He was very strong, but should have proved himself on other cycling events. The Tour is not cycling, and cycling is not the Tour. However, props for winning 7? inna row.
Complete cyclist? "lol"

weaksauce and sourgrapes again from the wimpy euro wannabees.


I'd be willing to bet any classics winner would trade all of them for just one TDF win.

Lance had the guts to announce he was going to win the TDF, and did everything in his obssessive nature and power to achieve his goal. The TDF rewards a complete cyclist.
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What's your point? He's an american in France. He's not going to be popular in another country. It's normal, it happens in every sport. Look at the World Cup and the matches Korea played in. I don't know what you are trying to say. If he's not happy, he can stay in the good old USA and not go there.
People thinking the French don't like Americans is baseless. France, like every other country, deplores much of the American government's foreign policy. However, outside of Paris and especially in areas touched by the Second World War, Americans are to this day revered. You'll not find a warmer and more genuine welcome in Europe as an American than the west coast of France, all the way to the German and Italian borders.
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the Frogs piss me off. They are rude, elitist, and completely ignorant toward Americans. Spineless pukes. Not all of course, but just about every one of them I've met.
Irony much? You've spent a lot of time there I take it. People in Paris will be rude. Same as people in London, people in New York, people in LA, people in Tokyo. No one likes large groups of lurching American tourists clogging up a commerce centre. In London, American tourists are a menace. Don't mix up Paris with the rest of France. There is almost no relation with, say, La Vendee to the country's capital.
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I truely dislike the French. They can't face it we're beating them at their own game. Why do they think they are so much better then us? We (britian/US) freed France from Germany in WW2 and if that wasn't enough, we helped rebuild their country.

:monkey: F-you Frenchy's

Thanks Lance for being strong and representing the US in a positive way. I wouldn't have as much class as him.

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Again, have you spent a lot of time in France? Or are you just following what you've been told to think by the media? As I mentioned above, the events of the war are in no way forgotten in most of France. They certainly pay it more reverence and respect than either the British or Americans.
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French people... Did you guys follow the presidential election? The nationalist guy (J M Le Pen) said that if he was elected he would chase every single immigrant and non-French-White people out of the country, and he still got like 20% of the votes...
They have some seriously worrying right-wing tendencies. I've seen some really horrible things happen in places I would never expect, it's depressing and I hope they understand that Algerian immigrants aren't going to somehow undo the fabric of the country. Xenophobic attitudes have been gathering pace across Europe at an alarming rate. Italy, Germany, France and Spain all have serious issues that need rectifying, or at least rationalising. The UK is sadly going the same way.

On a side note, I've seen Armstrong race in two Tours in France and each time he came past, he was cheered the loudest, received the warmest reception and was by far the big star of the day. Many French homes, garages, bars etc display pictures of Armstrong because they adore him. It's like anything that is exposed to a lot of people. Dickheads will come out and ruin it. They don't make up the majority of people.

Can you imagine if the Tour went through the US, all the way through the Bible Belt? I'm sure you wouldn't want what happened or was shouted there by spectators to be taken as a globally-recognised example of the average American.
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People thinking the French don't like Americans is baseless. France, like every other country, deplores much of the American government's foreign policy. However, outside of Paris and especially in areas touched by the Second World War, Americans are to this day revered. You'll not find a warmer and more genuine welcome in Europe as an American than the west coast of France, all the way to the German and Italian borders.

Irony much? You've spent a lot of time there I take it. People in Paris will be rude. Same as people in London, people in New York, people in LA, people in Tokyo. No one likes large groups of lurching American tourists clogging up a commerce centre. In London, American tourists are a menace. Don't mix up Paris with the rest of France. There is almost no relation with, say, La Vendee to the country's capital.

Again, have you spent a lot of time in France? Or are you just following what you've been told to think by the media? As I mentioned above, the events of the war are in no way forgotten in most of France. They certainly pay it more reverence and respect than either the British or Americans.

They have some seriously worrying right-wing tendencies. I've seen some really horrible things happen in places I would never expect, it's depressing and I hope they understand that Algerian immigrants aren't going to somehow undo the fabric of the country. Xenophobic attitudes have been gathering pace across Europe at an alarming rate. Italy, Germany, France and Spain all have serious issues that need rectifying, or at least rationalising. The UK is sadly going the same way.

On a side note, I've seen Armstrong race in two Tours in France and each time he came past, he was cheered the loudest, received the warmest reception and was by far the big star of the day. Many French homes, garages, bars etc display pictures of Armstrong because they adore him. It's like anything that is exposed to a lot of people. Dickheads will come out and ruin it. They don't make up the majority of people.

Can you imagine if the Tour went through the US, all the way through the Bible Belt? I'm sure you wouldn't want what happened or was shouted there by spectators to be taken as a globally-recognised example of the average American.
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What tour had the mountain stage where Jan Ulrich and I think Pantani working together to ditch Lance, and out of no where he goes blasting by them and the look on Ulrich's face was WTF??!! since him and Pantani couldn't do anything but get dropped.
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People thinking the French don't like Americans is baseless. France, like every other country, deplores much of the American government's foreign policy. However, outside of Paris and especially in areas touched by the Second World War, Americans are to this day revered. You'll not find a warmer and more genuine welcome in Europe as an American than the west coast of France, all the way to the German and Italian borders.

Irony much? You've spent a lot of time there I take it. People in Paris will be rude. Same as people in London, people in New York, people in LA, people in Tokyo. No one likes large groups of lurching American tourists clogging up a commerce centre. In London, American tourists are a menace. Don't mix up Paris with the rest of France. There is almost no relation with, say, La Vendee to the country's capital.

Again, have you spent a lot of time in France? Or are you just following what you've been told to think by the media? As I mentioned above, the events of the war are in no way forgotten in most of France. They certainly pay it more reverence and respect than either the British or Americans.

They have some seriously worrying right-wing tendencies. I've seen some really horrible things happen in places I would never expect, it's depressing and I hope they understand that Algerian immigrants aren't going to somehow undo the fabric of the country. Xenophobic attitudes have been gathering pace across Europe at an alarming rate. Italy, Germany, France and Spain all have serious issues that need rectifying, or at least rationalising. The UK is sadly going the same way.

On a side note, I've seen Armstrong race in two Tours in France and each time he came past, he was cheered the loudest, received the warmest reception and was by far the big star of the day. Many French homes, garages, bars etc display pictures of Armstrong because they adore him. It's like anything that is exposed to a lot of people. Dickheads will come out and ruin it. They don't make up the majority of people.

Can you imagine if the Tour went through the US, all the way through the Bible Belt? I'm sure you wouldn't want what happened or was shouted there by spectators to be taken as a globally-recognised example of the average American.
He raced in the Tour De Georgia, and the Tour DuPont. In the heart of the bible belt. He recieved a very warm reception.
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maybe the "euro's" know something that you don't.

Lance was not a complete cyclist. He didn't run the Spanish Vuelta, the Italian Giro, or had any impact on the cycling world championships. He was very strong, but should have proved himself on other cycling events. The Tour is not cycling, and cycling is not the Tour. However, props for winning 7? inna row.
You obviously have no idea of the sheer scale of preparation required to win the TdF. That's like comparing a criterium to a 24hr solo MTB race.

Sponsors pay, the TdF is the biggest race, do the math. Why would USPS care if they won one of the smaller tours? They want their team to win the big one, the one that actually gets coverage. The competitors feel the same, if they could chose one even to win it would be the TdF.

He did win the WC before being diagnosed with cancer, doesn't that count?
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You obviously have no idea of the sheer scale of preparation required to win the TdF. That's like comparing a criterium to a 24hr solo MTB race.

Sponsors pay, the TdF is the biggest race, do the math. Why would USPS care if they won one of the smaller tours? They want their team to win the big one, the one that actually gets coverage. The competitors feel the same, if they could chose one even to win it would be the TdF.

He did win the WC before being diagnosed with cancer, doesn't that count?
Ok, I understand. Lance only trained for the Tour de France, nothing else. Sure! Any cyclist who trains for one main event would most likely win it. Also, the Italian Giro is much more difficult than the Tour. The Tour is older, and glorified by Americans. Ask Lance, why he didn't race both the Giro and Tour in the same year. He'd say: "If I raced the Giro, I wouldn't win the Tour". This is what I meant about not being 'complete'.

Winning one particular race for 7 years and not trying for others doesn't make you great. I am Italian (don't label me as euro lover/american hater) and do this day I think Pantani (without the BS you heard about him) was complete. He cycled anything and everything. So my vote goes to him (despite what happened to him). I do respect Lance for showing a lot of love and respect for Pantani.

I would have liked Lance to ride more events and not focus just on one.
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Ok, I understand. Lance only trained for the Tour de France, nothing else. Sure! Any cyclist who trains for one main event would most likely win it. Also, the Italian Giro is much more difficult than the Tour. The Tour is older, and glorified by Americans. Ask Lance, why he didn't race both the Giro and Tour in the same year. He'd say: "If I raced the Giro, I wouldn't win the Tour". This is what I meant about not being 'complete'.

Winning one particular race for 7 years and not trying for others doesn't make you great. I am Italian (don't label me as euro lover/american hater) and do this day I think Pantani (without the BS you heard about him) was complete. He cycled anything and everything. So my vote goes to him (despite what happened to him). I do respect Lance for showing a lot of love and respect for Pantani.

I would have liked Lance to ride more events and not focus just on one.
Later guyz!
Great, three years after a very questionable blood test, he won the Giro, the Tour and was busted for doping the next year. Complete disgrace
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