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Old 06-28-2019, 12:02 PM   #351
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Can we expect COBB AP goodness for this vehicle quickly? Ď14 FXT took over a year for support. Does the Ascent have any COBB support yet?
https://www.cobbtuning.com/

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Old 06-28-2019, 04:13 PM   #352
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Itís really too bad they donít replace the cvt with an automatic now that they are parts sharing with Toyota. It could be faster, much better driving experience and probably even get better fuel economy if tuned for it. I guess their cvt must be super cheap to build...

And which Toyota will they be able to parts share a transmission with besides the not-CVT BRZ? I don't even think the plug-in is a parts sharing situation.
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Old 06-28-2019, 04:45 PM   #353
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There is no sharing trans. Thatís why Subaru sucks.
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Old 06-28-2019, 05:57 PM   #354
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No need to share any trans, lol. Subaru sales...Only going up, year after year. Incredible for such a small company. They deliver second to none AWD system and unmatched safety ratings at this price level. CVT Legacy FA24DIT is going to be a runway hit, just like the Ascent.
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Old 06-28-2019, 06:43 PM   #355
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No need to share any trans, lol. Subaru sales...Only going up, year after year. Incredible for such a small company. They deliver second to none AWD system and unmatched safety ratings at this price level. CVT Legacy FA24DIT is going to be a runway hit, just like the Ascent.

Compared to the 3.6R?..........maybe I'll say that. Against the previous LGT?........maybe so as well; but, I wouldn't be thinking some great numbers compared to the other sedans out there.
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Old 06-28-2019, 06:50 PM   #356
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Hate it all you want, the CVT in my FXTT is the best automatic Iíve ever owned.

Donít want a manual anymore. If I did it would be an STiís... only Iíd prefer an STi with an STi-version of a CVT. No DSG, 6, 8, or whatever ďrealĒ automatic, a Subaru Super CVT. K?

Until Subaru makes a turbo Forester again, however, I donít want anything. From anyone.

Although, personally, Iíd have the Legacy GT, my wife is stuck on a Forester. I am guessing she remembers my Ď05 LGT... canít blame her.
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Old 06-28-2019, 06:56 PM   #357
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Compared to the 3.6R?..........maybe I'll say that. Against the previous LGT?........maybe so as well; but, I wouldn't be thinking some great numbers compared to the other sedans out there.
There is ZERO incentive for them to go any other way. DSG/DCT is dead. Everyone is dropping it. Over complicated, expensive to maintain and unreliable in the long term. Manual is dead. EV is the future. They have CVT, it is very good for what it is. Sedan sales ares dead. Focus on what you have and perfect it. No need to chase obsolete technology like a manual or DSG/DCT.
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Hate it all you want, the CVT in my FXTT is the best automatic Iíve ever owned.

Donít want a manual anymore. If I did it would be an STiís... only Iíd prefer an STi with an STi-version of a CVT. No DSG, 6, 8, or whatever ďrealĒ automatic, a Subaru Super CVT. K?

Until Subaru makes a turbo Forester again, however, I donít want anything. From anyone.

Although, personally, Iíd have the Legacy GT, my wife is stuck on a Forester. I am guessing she remembers my Ď05 LGT... canít blame her.
And that's the Gen 1ish. I'm telling you, try the CVT in the Imperza sport. I am a manual guy through and through, but... its not bad at all.

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Old 06-28-2019, 10:41 PM   #359
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The CVT in my 2016 Legacy is awful. Almost made me want to sell my car.

Glad to hear the second gen/newer is a lot better
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Old 06-28-2019, 10:55 PM   #360
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I dunno the pro CVT by people on this site. Itís gross. Call it what it is. Not gonna sugar coat because I bought one or I like the brand. It sucks for a performance car. It should suck for an appliance ekeing out MPGs so the brand stays in business. Prius commuter special should have a CVT. WRX or Legacy turbo should not.
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Pro-CVT guy right hurr. Prius Commuter Special for me!
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Pro-CVT guy right hurr. Prius Commuter Special for me!
Did you paint your emblems yet?
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Did you paint your emblems yet?
Whoa whoa WHOA, buddy. Let's just simmer down a bit. I'm no monster. I'm just a simple traveler on this rock you humans call "home".
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I bet you expect a wave too.
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I mean, if you don't, then all your Earth are belong to us.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:17 AM   #366
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The CVT in my 2016 Legacy is awful. Almost made me want to sell my car.

Glad to hear the second gen/newer is a lot better
Agreed, I have a 2013 Subaru with CVT, it is a garbage transmission and really neuters the car in every way possible.

Tons of weird issues:
Speeding up issues:
- Power not coming when asked for
- Dangerous driving situtations when you need emergency overtake and nothing is ****ing happening when you step on it
- Gives you a sense of "I'm at the will of my car" sensation because you don't ever feel like you're really in control of the driving experience
- Punching through a yellow light? Forget about it, the tranny works 50% of the time, so you're really just flipping a coin, better take it safe and brake down.

Slowing down issues:
- Sometimes when the tranny isn't warmed up enough, letting go of the gas pedal feels like brakes are engaging
- When you slow to a stop, there's often times a lurching effect as if the tranny has issues disconnecting to neutral

Doing down hilll issues:
- when I go down a steep hill, the transmission for some reason up shifts and my revs go to 3000-4000rpm, and hangs there even when I level off

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Old 07-02-2019, 07:22 PM   #367
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Agreed, I have a 2013 Subaru with CVT, it is a garbage transmission and really neuters the car in every way possible.

Tons of weird issues:
Speeding up issues:
- Power not coming when asked for
- Dangerous driving situtations when you need emergency overtake and nothing is ****ing happening when you step on it
- Gives you a sense of "I'm at the will of my car" sensation because you don't ever feel like you're really in control of the driving experience
- Punching through a yellow light? Forget about it, the tranny works 50% of the time, so you're really just flipping a coin, better take it safe and brake down.

Slowing down issues:
- Sometimes when the tranny isn't warmed up enough, letting go of the gas pedal feels like brakes are engaging
- When you slow to a stop, there's often times a lurching effect as if the tranny has issues disconnecting to neutral

Doing down hilll issues:
- when I go down a steep hill, the transmission for some reason up shifts and my revs go to 3000-4000rpm, and hangs there even when I level off
our 2012 Outback CVT sucks in many ways, but having driven a 2019 Civic Sport and a 2019 Crosstrek both with CVT, they are both vastly better, especially the Civic, but that could be cause it's mated to a turbo instead of an underpowered engine.
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our 2012 Outback CVT sucks in many ways, but having driven a 2019 Civic Sport and a 2019 Crosstrek both with CVT, they are both vastly better, especially the Civic, but that could be cause it's mated to a turbo instead of an underpowered engine.
Hmm maybe it is worth revising the CVT problem. Honestly 75% of the time I don't mind my CVT on my 2013, a few times it even surprises me at its quickness. If they've fixed all the things I've said, maybe it's not that bad.
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Hmm maybe it is worth revising the CVT problem. Honestly 75% of the time I don't mind my CVT on my 2013, a few times it even surprises me at its quickness. If they've fixed all the things I've said, maybe it's not that bad.
They have.

We've owned a '14 CVT Forester, '14 CVT FXTT, '15 CVT WRX, '!6 CVT WRX. and the current '17 FXTT. All FA's with HTCVT... but every one different.

And every new year brought a new HTCVT that worked better than the last. By the '16 WRX I had no complaints, it was great. Even the '17 is different, but it's a Forester not a WRX and maybe the total package and programming results in the outcome... with the result being the best working drivetrain I've ever owned.

In other words, the new CVTs are far better than the earlier ones, even those two or three years old, and certainly older than that. It is/was new technology, improving and has matured.
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The CVT units and AWD setups in the WRX and Forester are different. There really is no comparing the two. The CVT in my Corolla was fine as well. But it’s a damn Corolla. Where a CVT makes sense.
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The CVT units and AWD setups in the WRX and Forester are different. There really is no comparing the two. The CVT in my Corolla was fine as well. But itís a damn Corolla. Where a CVT makes sense.
As someone who owned a '17 FXT, you're right in my experience. There was scuttlebutt on the Forester forums about how the transmissions are different part numbers, where the WRX has the HTCVT and the Forester has something else entirely (probably the base CVT, if I had to be honest). This is reflected in their limitations, where the "safe" number for tuning in the Fozz is somewhere around 300 WTQ and the number in the WRX is supposedly higher. And that's taking into account both setups running trans coolers, AFAIK.
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As someone who owned a '17 FXT, you're right in my experience. There was scuttlebutt on the Forester forums about how the transmissions are different part numbers, where the WRX has the HTCVT and the Forester has something else entirely (probably the base CVT, if I had to be honest). This is reflected in their limitations, where the "safe" number for tuning in the Fozz is somewhere around 300 WTQ and the number in the WRX is supposedly higher. And that's taking into account both setups running trans coolers, AFAIK.
You need to address that ďAFAIKĒ . Youíre particularly misinformed.
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Hmm maybe it is worth revising the CVT problem. Honestly 75% of the time I don't mind my CVT on my 2013, a few times it even surprises me at its quickness. If they've fixed all the things I've said, maybe it's not that bad.
The revised CVT in the newer gen Imprezas/Crosstreks is vastly improved over the CVTs in the '12-'16 Impreza/Crosstreks. You should take one for a spin, and not just 0-60 runs, but where downshifting can be done to see how well the new preset ratios match up.

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As annoying as it may be, I'm glad Subaru is quick to update the CVT. Some people will always just hate how it drives. I've always loved how the CVT drives once I adapted my thinking, and the CVT has only improved over the years. I really wanna try the HTCVT.
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As someone who owned a '17 FXT, you're right in my experience. There was scuttlebutt on the Forester forums about how the transmissions are different part numbers, where the WRX has the HTCVT and the Forester has something else entirely (probably the base CVT, if I had to be honest). This is reflected in their limitations, where the "safe" number for tuning in the Fozz is somewhere around 300 WTQ and the number in the WRX is supposedly higher. And that's taking into account both setups running trans coolers, AFAIK.
The WRX trans has a center differential, the Forester does not. So yes they are different. Subaru regardless of trans used the same chain, I am unsure if that still applies. Regardless, CVT or HTCVT I am still not aware of a commercial tune beyond a stage 1 for any auto Subaru anymore. The CVT just melts.

I wonder if the OB turbo will have a center diff?

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