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Old 02-07-2019, 07:49 PM   #126
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Nice review by Redline.

This car reminds me of typical rental cars I get into at the airport. meh.
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:09 PM   #127
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Not having CVT ruined the SS.
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Old 02-07-2019, 08:28 PM   #128
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Nice review by Redline.

This car reminds me of typical rental cars I get into at the airport. meh.
I've always liked how he fits so much info into such a short review.
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Old 02-07-2019, 09:14 PM   #129
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Laughing at yourself in public again?

I rest my case. No GT, just a giant road-boat with a stupid looking center abomination. Iíll reserve the rest of my judgement until I drive it.
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Old 02-07-2019, 09:30 PM   #130
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Laughing at yourself in public again?

I rest my case. No GT, just a giant road-boat with a stupid looking center abomination. Iíll reserve the rest of my judgement until I drive it.
What case?

Swim? Swammi? Slippy? Slappy? Swenson? Swanson?

Samsonite! You were so close!
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:00 PM   #131
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When's the Outback come usually, a year later?
I might be getting an Outback as a company car, but it'll be a premium, meh. I could choose a Legacy but don't see the point of a sedan.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:02 PM   #132
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Outback is same time. Different car show reveal.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:15 PM   #133
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When's the Outback come usually, a year later?
I might be getting an Outback as a company car, but it'll be a premium, meh. I could choose a Legacy but don't see the point of a sedan.
It will be revealed at the NY auto show.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:49 PM   #134
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Laughing at yourself in public again?

I rest my case. No GT, just a giant road-boat with a stupid looking center abomination. Iíll reserve the rest of my judgement until I drive it.

Because they chose a different name?


The laugh wasn't meant AT you. I apologize. It was meant as a trio of friendly banter.
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:21 AM   #135
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My Legacy XT could beat your Forester XT!

Dangit! Now we gotta call it "LXT". I don't like it. Maybe Subaru will change up the Outback to be "OBGT".
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:09 AM   #136
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Oooh, Cobb Tuned Legacy XT and Outback XT....Yummy!
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:35 AM   #137
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Has Cobb done anything with the Ascent yet?
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:23 AM   #138
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I did not think it was possible to design a car without a shred of personality, but Subaru did it! The Accord and Camry have some fire in their looks, but this. What the hell. Still no decent LGT replacement.

I will give kudos to a nice interior and a turbo engine.... little huzzah!
I honestly think the new Camry looks much better and sportier.

Someone here at work has a white one, dark tints, and he put in the second exhaust. Looks quite hot for a family car.
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Old 02-08-2019, 07:50 AM   #139
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My Legacy XT could beat your Forester XT!

Dangit! Now we gotta call it "LXT". I don't like it. Maybe Subaru will change up the Outback to be "OBGT".
that is surprisingly true, less weight, and more powerful engine. the outback will have the forester ride height and be more aerodynamic with the same engine
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:03 AM   #140
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I doubt its 700# difference in weight difference unless the old bugeyes weight less than 3000#.
When I autoxed my '02 bugeye wagon, on the scales it was just over 2900 lbs. (But also had header back exhaust, lighter wheels, and almost empty gas tank). Official curb weight was 3165lbs. (16 gallons of gas at 6lbs per = 96lbs).

The 2019 Legacy curb weight is 3750lbs loaded with the H6. It won't get that much lighter with the new platform and the 2.4L turbo.

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Old 02-08-2019, 09:44 AM   #141
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~3100->~3800 = ~700
Unless you think the 7th Generation added 250#. My 5th Gen GT weight 3450# measured on a scale. (I have no mods to lighten the weight). The 6th Gen supposed add 50-75# over that.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:50 AM   #142
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It's upsetting they're still all in on the CVT train. You'd think after the amount of issues they have with them they'd consider moving to a different transmission option. While the 5EAT in my Outback 3.6R probably wouldn't be acceptable in today's market, it's still significantly better than their current CVT. Just from the ability to get rolling from a dead stop, the responsiveness of a real downshift, and the lack of a "lag" between the motor revving and the power actually hitting the wheels.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:55 AM   #143
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When I autoxed my '02 bugeye wagon, on the scales it was just over 2900 lbs. (But also had header back exhaust, lighter wheels, and almost empty gas tank). Official curb weight was 3165lbs. (16 gallons of gas at 6lbs per = 96lbs).

The 2019 Legacy curb weight is 3750lbs loaded with the H6. It won't get that much lighter with the new platform and the 2.4L turbo.

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I looked at the 2019 Brochure and the Limited 3.6R is 3719. Wow, I guess they have inched up in weight. I looked at my 2012 Brochure and my 2.5GT was 3483 and the 3.6R was 3529 but that doesn't include the sunroof which was standard on my model, so the difference between the 3.6R and Turbo is more than 50#'s, so their is so some hope.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:59 AM   #144
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The strengthening and isolation measures they’re incorporating with the new chassis plus the in car tech stuff and standard eyesight might bump that weight to 3800 or so. It’s a guess, but I don’t think the 700 lbs comment was far fetched. If not for the CVT, I wouldn’t really mind the added weight. I think that stuff will make for a significantly better car compared to last generation.
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The strengthening and isolation measures theyíre incorporating with the new chassis plus the in car tech stuff and standard eyesight might bump that weight to 3800 or so. Itís a guess, but I donít think the 700 lbs comment was far fetched. If not for the CVT, I wouldnít really mind the added weight. I think that stuff will make for a significantly better car compared to last generation.
Here's the bitter pill to swallow... sure, it has AWD and the Camry and Accord don't, but they're only around 3500lbs.

I think Subaru could do better to add lightness. Can't keep on adding weight and then figuring out that hp needs to go up because of the added weight... which adds more weight... needing more hp... I know it's becuase of all the safety stuff that keeps getting added, but it's all creating a hugely circular reference.

Subaru is reaching the point of maximum output in their engines for mass (ie not STi) use right now. That may cause to be a problem of stagnation in the next handful of years... unless they come up with a bigger (heavier) engine that can do 300+hp.

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Old 02-08-2019, 11:51 AM   #146
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Wow. The BL/BP was peak Subaru Legacy, its too bad that Legacy is nothing more than sedan based off an SUV(Outback). Where it used to be the other way around. If you judge it by that metric, being a sedan based off a platform that is skewed to making the Outback the best it can be, this isn't that bad.

SOJ, has moved on from Legacy sedan/wagon, the Outback is SOAs baby and for SOJ the true successor to the Legacy is the Levorg. There is no going back to the original Legacy sports sedan roots, SOA needs to move those appliances.

However, these are now a lot of premium/entry level luxury cars with turbos, AWD and proper gearboxes. Just none made by Subaru.

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Old 02-08-2019, 12:33 PM   #147
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I keep re-reading the part I clipped from the press release and scratching my head. The Sport model with all the "Sporty" bits (red stitching, blacked out stuff and a sport specific, freaking rear valance) can't even be optioned up to get the "Sporty" engine?!! WTF?


The Sport, standard with the 2.5-liter BOXER, boasts a performance-oriented exterior that features an exclusive rear bumper, front grille with high-gloss black bar, high-gloss black side mirrors, trunk lid spoiler and dark metallic 18-inch alloy wheels. Inside, the Sport comes with aluminum pedals as well as red stitching on the instrument panel, door trim, seats, shift lever boot and leather-wrapped steering wheel. The Sport also adopts an SI-DRIVE switch for varying engine output characteristics between I (Intelligent) and S# (Sport Sharp) modes, with S# offering increased acceleration response.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:56 PM   #148
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Wouldn't be a main line Subaru without a charade sporty version. I would assume the XT will also be visually differentiated, though won't be surprised to see it come out more understated than the "Sport."
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:58 PM   #149
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Wouldn't be a main line Subaru without a charade sporty version. I would assume the XT will also be visually differentiated, though won't be surprised to see it come out more understated than the "Sport."


Wasnít the release Legacy a Touring XT? If so then we already saw how understated it will be. I donít think weíve seen the sport trim yet?! Correct me if Iím wrong....
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:37 PM   #150
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I keep re-reading the part I clipped from the press release and scratching my head. The Sport model with all the "Sporty" bits (red stitching, blacked out stuff and a sport specific, freaking rear valance) can't even be optioned up to get the "Sporty" engine?!! WTF?


The Sport, standard with the 2.5-liter BOXER, boasts a performance-oriented exterior that features an exclusive rear bumper, front grille with high-gloss black bar, high-gloss black side mirrors, trunk lid spoiler and dark metallic 18-inch alloy wheels. Inside, the Sport comes with aluminum pedals as well as red stitching on the instrument panel, door trim, seats, shift lever boot and leather-wrapped steering wheel. The Sport also adopts an SI-DRIVE switch for varying engine output characteristics between I (Intelligent) and S# (Sport Sharp) modes, with S# offering increased acceleration response.
To Subaru, Sport doesn't mean what you think it means.
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