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Old 12-16-2009, 01:33 PM   #1251
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Last time I talked to John, he used words like "low hanging fruit" and "STU".

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Old 12-16-2009, 01:42 PM   #1252
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Last time I talked to John, he used words like "low hanging fruit" and "STU".

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Old 12-16-2009, 01:48 PM   #1253
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Last time I talked to John, he used words like "low hanging fruit" and "STU".

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Old 12-16-2009, 10:13 PM   #1254
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The Sparco's are nice John, thanks for asking...30lbs less to kick your arse with next season. STU is pretty easy though, you shouldn't have any issues. Just remember, street tires don't grip quite as well as r-comps.

Corey...always good for a nice one liner. Speaking of which, are you and Winchester doing class swaps? I'm sure you enjoyed Fineburg's Evo, and you weren't exactly slow in it...not that there's much you are slow in.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:22 AM   #1255
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30lbs less to kick your arse with next season.
You are really asking for it!
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:35 PM   #1256
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We all know I'm just talk, I'll either choke and drive like a wuss or just hit a bunch of cones. Anything I say can be completely disregarded.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:23 PM   #1257
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You are really asking for it!
You're bringing an RX8 into STX after scorning Subaru.

The rain gods will not be kind.
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:37 PM   #1258
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You're bringing an RX8 into STX after scorning Subaru.

The rain gods will not be kind.
I'm good. I've learned to love the wet stuff...
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:03 PM   #1259
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If your Mazda is anything like mine, it won't like the wet.

FD on Dunlop Z1...
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:21 PM   #1260
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Ok, need a little advice here. I use to run in fs in my mustang but i needed to get a family car... (06 STI) From my experience in FS i know tires are the main component to placing well and being competitive. I'm sure in STU that also applies. What i need advice on is in what order what parts would you buy to be competitive in STU if i you did not have a money tree growing out back?

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1, Tires
2, Sway bars (27F/24R)
3, Coilovers
4, exhaust
5, Protune

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1, Tires
2, Coilovers
3, Power upgrades
4, sway bars
5,
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:26 PM   #1261
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Stock tires are 'OK'

I would go

- Tires
- Sway bars and alingment
- coilovers
- bushings and mounts
- power mods (exhaust, protune)
- ship a beer to your pal orvtech
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:28 PM   #1262
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Ok, need a little advice here. I use to run in fs in my mustang but i needed to get a family car... (06 STI) From my experience in FS i know tires are the main component to placing well and being competitive. I'm sure in STU that also applies. What i need advice on is in what order what parts would you buy to be competitive in STU if i you did not have a money tree growing out back?

Example:

1, Tires
2, Sway bars (27F/24R)
3, Coilovers
4, exhaust
5, Protune

Or

1, Tires
2, Coilovers
3, Power upgrades
4, sway bars
5,
The bare minimum to be competitive is:

1. Tires
2. Coilovers
3. Camber Plates & Bolts
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:34 PM   #1263
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Tires ... with a set of max width wheels
Camber Plates
Sway Bars
Coilovers

The Grassroots Motorsports article where they mod'ed a WRX ... and checked lap times after each mod ... showed that coilovers made the car easier to drive fast, but did little to improve lap times. Of course there are coilovers, and coilovers with car lowered, and there are coilover + stiffer spings, and much stiffer springs so one doesn't need sway bars ...
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:37 PM   #1264
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2. Coilovers
3. Camber Plates & Bolts
isn't it one or the other but not both?
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:53 PM   #1265
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I think its camber plates & bolts OR adjustable arms.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:36 PM   #1266
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Last time I talked to John, he used words like "low hanging fruit" and "STU".

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Cat's out of the bag now John. I miss STU and 3oo whp AWD

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Old 12-28-2009, 09:41 PM   #1267
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Tires ... with a set of max width wheels
coilovers
Would 8.5 width wheels work? I should be able to get 245's on those as i was able to get 275's on stock 17" 06 mustang gt rims.

For the coilovers i'm thinking for the first year the BC entry level coilovers. I'd like to get RCE or KW but right now i have a hard time spending that kind of money on shocks. For that kind of money i might as well get a used TAG Kart and get back into karting.

Thank you guys for such quick responses!
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:09 PM   #1268
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Would 8.5 width wheels work? I should be able to get 245's on those as i was able to get 275's on stock 17" 06 mustang gt rims.

For the coilovers i'm thinking for the first year the BC entry level coilovers. I'd like to get RCE or KW but right now i have a hard time spending that kind of money on shocks. For that kind of money i might as well get a used TAG Kart and get back into karting.

Thank you guys for such quick responses!
Your head will spin over the coilover/shock question. Good luck. There are plenty of threads out there with opinions and suggestions.

8.5" is plenty wide to fit the tires. I run 9". If you are buying wheels anyway, you may as well go 9" or even 9.5", if you have access to a set of 8.5 it'll do.
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:57 PM   #1269
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Your head will spin over the coilover/shock question. Good luck. There are plenty of threads out there with opinions and suggestions.
im going through the same question right now, I will really like to get some RC T2 but the price makes me look around for alternatives.....maybe TiC will come out with theirs soon
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Old 12-28-2009, 11:24 PM   #1270
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Your head will spin over the coilover/shock question. Good luck. There are plenty of threads out there with opinions and suggestions.

8.5" is plenty wide to fit the tires. I run 9". If you are buying wheels anyway, you may as well go 9" or even 9.5", if you have access to a set of 8.5 it'll do.
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im going through the same question right now, I will really like to get some RC T2 but the price makes me look around for alternatives.....maybe TiC will come out with theirs soon
X2 on looking for good aftermarket suspension options... I'm tempted to try the BC BRs, but I would much rather either go for Ohlins with Blacks or T2s/T0s, which are within $300 of each other used. I recommend you look for used parts, as it'll be much cheaper than new. If new was my only choice, I'd seriously consider the BCs.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:44 AM   #1271
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You may want to consider the Ground Control kit for $1900, includes the best front camber plates available:

http://www.ground-control-store.com/...ion.php/II=829

No application for the 08's tho.

You would just re-use your stock tophats in the rear until you could get camber plates. I've been running them for 2 1/2 years and am very happy with them, and they're not throwaway stuff like the Japanese/Taiwanese bits. They are quite liveable on the street as well, especially if you don't lower the heck out of the car.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:38 AM   #1272
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^^ Does that mean Koni now makes a bolt on strut or does this still require a hack of the OE strut?
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:52 AM   #1273
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Here are some of my thoughts, and the order in which I would do things if not doing them all at once. I also have my STU build thread that may hopefully help.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1721023

1. Wheels/Tires: If you're buying new, just get 9" wheels as there are plenty of affordable options (Rota DPT's, 5Zigen FN01RC, etc.), unless you have an 8.5" available for cheap...and then put some Dunlops on them. All in for a new setup, you're looking at roughly $1,500 for new ($850 wheels + $650 tires).

2. Sway bars/alignment: I would get these before coilovers, they can really help change the balance and attitude of the car and they're pretty cheap overall. Figure about $450-$500 for sways front/rear and another $75-$125 for a good alignment.

3. Coilovers/Camber plates: if you're going to do it, do it right. With my last car, I went from just springs, to a cheap basic coilover setup, and finally to a decent GC/Koni setup (best for a B15 Spec V). But if I had just saved my money and researched more to begin with, I would have bought Koni/GC right off the bat and it would have saved me a lot of money in the mean time. John's suggestion on the GC coilover setup sounds like it could be the best setup for the money though if you don't want to wait and save up for T2's. Jake proved that you don't need to be on a fancy coilover setup to do well...but then again, he's the exception. Some of us need all the help we can get. But this will be the most expensive part of the build.

4. Power mods: The power part of the equation is probably the last piece of the puzzle you need, but figure on about $2.5k for Accessport, STU custom tune, intake, DP, and exhaust. If you can fit in a power mod here and there along the way, that doesn't exactly hurt either. A nice DP/exhaust setup can really change how the car feels/pulls.


And for ALL of these mods, start looking for used stuff now. You can save a lot of money finding some decent deals on sway bars, DP, exhaust, coilovers, etc. Just keep browsing the classifieds everyday, and if you have the time then you should be able to find a few things out there. Good luck!
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:03 AM   #1274
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^^ Does that mean Koni now makes a bolt on strut or does this still require a hack of the OE strut?
Ground Control makes a custom housing that sits around a custom shortened Koni shock. So there is no hacking required. It does not use any of the stock strut housing. It's just like buying a set of Teins or whatever - a full assembly is included (except rear tophats).

They have been making these since 2007, possibly earlier. It was only recently that they actually listed them on their website - until then it was one of those "word of mouth" deals. They have made a similar product for BMW's for a long time - it is their Track/School kit and it uses the same shocks as the Subaru kit (I believe).

The biggest tradeoffs are 1) only single adjustable 2) height and travel are not independently adjustable. I don't think these are big deals, personally
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You may want to consider the Ground Control kit for $1900, includes the best front camber plates available:

http://www.ground-control-store.com/...ion.php/II=829

No application for the 08's tho.

You would just re-use your stock tophats in the rear until you could get camber plates. I've been running them for 2 1/2 years and am very happy with them, and they're not throwaway stuff like the Japanese/Taiwanese bits. They are quite liveable on the street as well, especially if you don't lower the heck out of the car.
Hmmm... I haven't heard of these, much. Do you know how the ride compares to the T0s, Ohlins, or T2s on the street?
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