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Old 09-25-2012, 02:16 PM   #4501
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if comparing their pay to other sports isnt fair, should we compare it to the revenues per game?
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:19 PM   #4502
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Ugh. REX8 has ruined this thread. Can we go back to making fun of people that root for teams we don't like instead of playing lawyer about EVERYTHING?
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:21 PM   #4503
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I'm still not sure how that was a simultaneous catch, though. It appeared to me that Jennings had secure possession of the ball before Tate got an arm around it.

At any rate, that still doesn't excuse the three other blown calls against the Pack in the 4th qtr.

Not surprisingly, the NFL is defending their own. Did you really expect them to say, "Oops, we screwed up, sorry guys..."? They couldn't reverse the outcome of the game even if they wanted to, so what's the point in admitting guilt? Anyone with half a brain and/or isn't a Seacawks fan will tell you that the Packers should have won that game.
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I want to see the real refs in the stands next week (if the NFL doesn't resolve this). They should also throw their flags onto the field, and bring their whistles.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:29 PM   #4505
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Ugh. REX8 has ruined this thread. Can we go back to making fun of people that root for teams we don't like instead of playing lawyer about EVERYTHING?
Go Cowboys.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:32 PM   #4506
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Careful. You get the "cream of the crop" replacement refs next Monday in prime time.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:36 PM   #4508
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Its like the WWE out there. Lol. What a joke.
I like that analogy! So true...yet so sad. Pats and Pack got screwed within 24 hours time.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:41 PM   #4509
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I'm still not sure how that was a simultaneous catch, though. It appeared to me that Jennings had secure possession of the ball before Tate got an arm around it.

At any rate, that still doesn't excuse the three other blown calls against the Pack in the 4th qtr.

Not surprisingly, the NFL is defending their own. Did you really expect them to say, "Oops, we screwed up, sorry guys..."? They couldn't reverse the outcome of the game even if they wanted to, so what's the point in admitting guilt? Anyone with half a brain and/or isn't a Seacawks fan will tell you that the Packers should have won that game.
It was not simultaneous. Jennings clearly had it first. He had it in both hands, Tate didn't even get a second hand on the ball until they both had come down and Jennings already had possession. In the NBA it would be called a jump ball, in the NFL that should have been an interception.
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I'm still not sure how that was a simultaneous catch, though. It appeared to me that Jennings had secure possession of the ball before Tate got an arm around it.

At any rate, that still doesn't excuse the three other blown calls against the Pack in the 4th qtr.

Not surprisingly, the NFL is defending their own. Did you really expect them to say, "Oops, we screwed up, sorry guys..."? They couldn't reverse the outcome of the game even if they wanted to, so what's the point in admitting guilt? Anyone with half a brain and/or isn't a Seacawks fan will tell you that the Packers should have won that game.
I'm going to preface this comment by saying I work for the Seahawks in a broadcast position and sit in the pressbox for all games, and I have an 'eye in the sky' view of all the plays.

When the catch was completed, both players had hands on the ball; ergo simultaneous possession goes to the offense. I don't understand why people are having a hard time taking everything into account. Yes, Jennings had two hands on the ball and Tate had one. When they touched the ground and completed the catch, Tate had two hands on the ball.

Blown calls against the Seahawks as well. That PI call against Chancellor, if not called, would have forced GB to punt. Instead they get the phantom penalty, go down and score the TD. Also the blown call with Rogers trying to stretch for a 1st down after the PI on the same drive.

Besides that drive, the Seahawks defense hammered the Packers offense. You can't ignore getting shutout in the first half and giving up eight sacks.

Dear lord, the Seahawks get jobbed in SB XL, nobody gives a ****. The Packers get jobbed in a MNF game and the world is going to burn.
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Dear lord, the Seahawks get jobbed in SB XL, nobody gives a ****.
I gave a ****...
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Pretty much. At the end of the day, the Fudgies shouldn't have been in the place where a Hail Mary cost them the game. They played the entire game to get there, and failed to score the points they needed to win.

Whine, whine, scapegoat, excuse. One does not simply beat the Green Bay Packers and their AWESOME one-man-Sunshiiiiiiiiiine defense!
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Wasn't there a game last year where the end of the game was so bad people were hoping the NFL would overrule the outcome of the game ? I can't remember which one it was but the NFL eventually came out saying the call was wrong but they can't over turn the ruling ?
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:52 PM   #4514
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Wasn't there a game last year where the end of the game was so bad people were hoping the NFL would overrule the outcome of the game ? I can't remember which one it was but the NFL eventually came out saying the call was wrong but they can't over turn the ruling ?
You are absolutely correct.

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... now if only we could remember the game.
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I'm going to preface this comment by saying I work for the Seahawks in a broadcast position and sit in the pressbox for all games, and I have an 'eye in the sky' view of all the plays.

When the catch was completed, both players had hands on the ball; ergo simultaneous possession goes to the offense. I don't understand why people are having a hard time taking everything into account. Yes, Jennings had two hands on the ball and Tate had one. When they touched the ground and completed the catch, Tate had two hands on the ball.
With all due respect, I don't really care who you work for. I personally think that was an interception, every talking head on ESPN last night thought it was an interception, everyone I've talked to thought it was an interception, every non-playing NFL player on Twitter thought it was an interception, and not surprisingly, the only people who seem to think it was a legit catch are Seahawks fans.

If that was a legitimate catch, this entire melee would be a non-starter, wouldn't? Why would people everywhere be making this big of a deal about this if it was the correct call? See the logic here?

Every year I participate in this thread, and every year I come away with the same conclusion - Seattle has some of the most ignorant, dilusional fans in the NFL, short of maybe the Chargers - only because no one actually likes the Chargers.

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Blown calls against the Seahawks as well. That PI call against Chancellor, if not called, would have forced GB to punt. Instead they get the phantom penalty, go down and score the TD. Also the blown call with Rogers trying to stretch for a 1st down after the PI on the same drive.
Sure, but those calls didn't change the course the game the way the final one did. The final one definitively won the game for the Seahawks, all the others were just woulda, coulda, shouldas.

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Besides that drive, the Seahawks defense hammered the Packers offense. You can't ignore getting shutout in the first half and giving up eight sacks.
The Pack made adjustments and came back out and only gave up one "sack" on that goalline run by Rodgers in the second half. Sure, your defense is half way decent, but your offense still has a long way to go. You didn't win that game, the refs gave it to you. At any rate, we play two halves of football, not one.
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Pretty much. At the end of the day, the Fudgies shouldn't have been in the place where a Hail Mary cost them the game. They played the entire game to get there, and failed to score the points they needed to win.

Whine, whine, scapegoat, excuse. One does not simply beat the Green Bay Packers and their AWESOME one-man-Sunshiiiiiiiiiine defense!
True, the Hawks defense shouldn't have allowed Benson to run wild on those first few drives in the 2nd half.

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You are absolutely correct.

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... now if only we could remember the game.
Isn't this the Charger game where Hochuli blew it big time? But it's the Chargers...even Creeeees doesn't care about them.
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Isn't this the Charger game where Hochuli blew it big time? But it's the Chargers...
Thats the game I was thinking of.
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I don't buy the Simultaneous Possession cop-out. M.D. Jennings CLEARLY intercepts the ball and brings it to his chest before Taint Tate decides to wrap his hands around it. After blowing two previous calls against the Packers (The defensive PI that should have been offensive PI, and the roughing the passer call on Walden as GB intercepted Wilson earlier in the 4th quarter) set the stage for the 'Hawks to be in the position to win the game. If the interception stood earlier in the 4th quarter, the game would have been 15-7 at that point, assuming the Packers score a FG, not a TD + PAT.

I can agree with some and say that the Packers probably shouldn't have even been in that position to begin with, having given up 8 sacks in the first half and generally appearing to be incompetent in all things offense. If they were able to gain a single first down on their final possession the game would have been over. Games come down to a final play, and sometimes the call on the field is the wrong one. I'm still sore about this one, but maybe it's the loss they need to light a fire under their asses and get some damn offensive production out of Rodgers and Co.
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True, the Hawks defense shouldn't have allowed Benson to run wild on those first few drives in the 2nd half.





Isn't this the Charger game where Hochuli blew it big time? But it's the Chargers...even Creeeees doesn't care about them.
correct, it was the chargers game 4 years ago where hochuli accidentally blew on his whistle on a clear fumble...the chargers lost that game BUT they still made it to the playoffs so no harm done.

i remember this because all my friends were INSANELY pissed just like all the packers fans are right now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3594778

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After blowing a call that helped the Denver Broncos beat the San Diego Chargers on Sunday, the referee admitted he made a mistake on Wednesday and is answering e-mails from some fans telling them that, according to multiple media reports.


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The NFL will give longtime official Ed Hochuli lower grades after he admitted botching a call late in the Chargers-Broncos game.
"I'm getting hundreds of e-mails -- hate mail -- but I'm responding to it all," Hochuli wrote to several Chargers fans, according to The San Diego Union-Tribune. "People deserve a response. You can rest assured that nothing anyone can say can make me feel worse than I already feel about my mistake on the fumble play. You have no idea … Affecting the outcome of a game is a devastating feeling. Officials strive for perfection -- I failed miserably. Although it does no good to say it, I am very, very sorry."

The crucial call occurred with the Broncos at the Chargers' 1-yard-line in the final minute. Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler dropped back to pass, the ball slipped out of his hands, bounced off the grass and into the arms of Chargers linebacker Tim Dobbins.

Hochuli, a former NFLRA president, ruled it an incomplete pass. Replay ruled it a fumble, but it was spotted at the 10, where the ball hit the ground, and given to Denver because the rules did not permit possession to be awarded to San Diego because the whistle had blown.

Denver went on to score a touchdown and a 2-point conversion to win 39-38.

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This is exactly what happened Week 1 in the SEA / AZ game. The refs did everything they could to hand the stupid Seachickens the game, and they failed miserably. If they would've won, we would've had a blowout Week 1.

Difference is there are so many goddamn bandwagon Packer fans taking to twitter to repeat what their friends heard on Sportscenter.
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Yes, yes we can.

I hope the Bears sack Homo all night next week.
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so yeah, hochuli admitted his blown call but the chargers still advanced to the playoffs...imagine if they didn't because of that one lost?...oof.


and how can anyone forget the epic meltdown of nate kaeding in the playoffs that year when he missed THREE FIELD GOALS at home against the jets


there's an epic gif of that somewhere around my photobucket.

i've never seen so many suicidal chargers fans after that game...even though i'm not a chargers fan i still dislike the jets more so i was also bummed out.


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True, the Hawks defense shouldn't have allowed Benson to run wild on those first few drives in the 2nd half.





Isn't this the Charger game where Hochuli blew it big time? But it's the Chargers...even Creeeees doesn't care about them.
Must be it...doesn't seem like 4 years ago

Also this small snippet just shows this is not entirely new, but it is much easier to place blame on the scrub refs I guess.

http://www.scoresreport.com/tag/ed-hochuli-blown-call/
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