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Old 11-24-2022, 11:32 PM   #1276
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Having everything in the car being made by BMW does not give me hope that the car will last. That, and maintenence costs, because, you guessed it, it's a BMW, keep me away from it. Don't get me wrong, I want to like it, I really do, but toyota could not have dropped the ball any more than they did with the MKV.

Hence why I'd love a GRC. AWD, small hatch, and incredibly Toyota. But I guess we just can't have nice things anymore.

Now, buy a MKV and drop a GTE VVTi in it? Hell yeah, but I'm poor.
I think your basing your reliability is in no offense, wildly outdated and inaccurate. The B series motor will take Moro power and last longer on bone stock internals and head gasket than a 2jz (2jz bottom end can handle tons of power but the rest of the engine needs a lot of work). The 6 speed or 8 speed auto will hold more torque than youíll likely ever need. The electronics are reliable. Maintenance cost is honestly pretty damn affordable especially given the long intervals.

Iíd almost be willing to bet the reliability and maintenance cost of the GRC and Supra to 100k miles is damn near equivalent.

The B and S engines are ****ing tanks. Hell, Iíd say the B series engine is way more stout than the S series (s58 excluded) simply because of the crank hub (easy fix) in the s55.

If I wanted the best performance car with best reliability under $60k new, it would be the Supra. That engine and trans (both 6spd manual and auto) can handle such ridiculous levels of torque and with basic mods, you have a significant more reliable, faster, better handling and cheaper turnkey car than a MKV Supra.

The GRC is a completely different vehicle that I donít think itís a fair comparison and offer fun / enjoyment in different way.

Ultimately itís your money and I canít judge or tell you how to spend it, but I will say you might be selling yourself short by not driving a manual (or auto) Supra especially if youíre looking at boosting your NA Supra.
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Old 11-24-2022, 11:43 PM   #1277
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BMW jumped up quite high in the latest Consumers Reports reliability survey. Thats a good sign, can't recall that happening before.
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Old 11-25-2022, 12:03 AM   #1278
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Another problem that I face is that I'm not sure I'm into RWD cars anymore. Ever since I owner a BRZ, experiencing how great it handled for a "slow" car, I haven't been able to enjoy straight-line racing. I ended up finding myself owning a VA STI not soon after, and I loved how it felt driving it albeit slow for today's standard.

Since then, I've hated FWD cars, and I'm trying to get my love back for RWD, but I can't seem to find anything to scratch the itch. I don't like american cars, I despise american v8 noises, so anything muscle is out of the question. With that said, and my love for RWD dwindling, I don't think I could justify $60k for a MKV.

I was hoping for a GRC at MSRP, and I had found a dealer and put my deposit down for a spot, but I'm not a patient person. Unfortunately I'm stationed somewhere where a new McDonald's in town makes the news, so I need something to keep my mind occupied. That, and not wanting to cause the MKIV damage every time I drive, drives me nuts. If the GRC dropped tomorrow and they told me I was next in line I'd make it happen in a heartbeat.

Do I sell the MKIV for something new? Do I sell it at all? Do I go back to an STI, be it VA or GD? I hate not being able to make spontaneous horrible financial decisions due to the lack of options.
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Old 11-25-2022, 03:12 PM   #1279
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I'd sell it in a heartbeat for a new 6MT Supra. Then drive that until the GRC is available without all the hell that it is currently and have 2 GR Toyota Products, the best 2.
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Iíd sell it in a heartbeat for a new 6MT Supra. Then drive that until the GRC is available without all the hell that it is currently and have 2 GR Toyota Products, the best 2.
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Old 11-26-2022, 10:32 PM   #1281
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Dealers are apparently telling people there will be a $25k markup.
I think that's for the dealers that have the first or second in the country, of course they're gonna shoot for the moon.

That's not gonna play for the core for long.

That might work for the circuit for a bit longer though.
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Someone posted pics on Instacrap from the port at Long Beach. So the first few are on the ground. Delivery to the first customers should be in the next week or so.
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Old Yesterday, 08:47 PM   #1283
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$25k ADM for a GRC seems to damn ridiculous especially when you consider people were generally paying $30-$50k ADM for a GT3. Roughly 5x the cost, a **** load more of a vehicle but only $15-$25k more ADM.

That said, not all are charging ridiculous ADM. $5k'ish and some are doing none.
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$25k ADM for a GRC seems to damn ridiculous especially when you consider people were generally paying $30-$50k ADM for a GT3. Roughly 5x the cost, a **** load more of a vehicle but only $15-$25k more ADM.

That said, not all are charging ridiculous ADM. $5k'ish and some are doing none.
Itís stupid. Iíve seen $2500 to $15000 for the most part. Then the like 1 in each state MSRP only dealers are actually sticking to it.

Iím in no hurry dude on this car. Iíve never liked the first 6-12 months hype. Itís a circus and stupid. Itís not like the aftermarket parts etc are in abundance. They wonít be for 24 months. Just like with any brand new to market consumer product..let the first people go first and second. They want to be first so bad theyíll pay through the nose. People with financial prudence will wait, and come scoop it up later when itís not as crazy, for MSRP.

Might as well camp a bit and see what other **** drops in resale value
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